how convenient, you cripple 1.2k card performance and you enable the feature simply using driver update

they cucked Quadro Owners?

Oh look, something nobody really needs at this point, about the same as Vega FE

This is Nvidia saying, hey, look, we still have this overpriced piece of silicon here, did you know?

chaosmassivehow convenient, you cripple 1.2k card performance and you enable the feature simply using driver update

It's been like that for at least 10 years already except for FP performance/features.

And the same Vega GPU has been/will be released as a consumer part and a pro part - say something nice about AMD too, OK?

What's up with the people hating NVIDIA so much everywhere?

chaosmassivehow convenient, you cripple 1.2k card performance and you enable the feature simply using driver update

That's how that end of the industry works. Vega FE and Vega RX are the same card as well (apart from the doubling of memory). And the 1080ti is even more like the GP102 than RX is ro FE. The whole reason this card exists is down to Nvidia having too much free reign at the top of the food chain. But now AMD has pushed, as it did with Ryzen, and Nvidia have reacted, like healthy business should. It's also clear they have also had this ability and do note, you can game on a Titan Xp as well. :p

ViperXTRthey cucked Quadro Owners?

Not really, the proper pro cards have dedicated support and other bonuses. You dont simply pay fo rthe card when you buy a professional product, you pay for the support as well. If I was running a business I wouldn't buy Titans for pro work, I'd buy the dedicated pro card.

birdieWhat's up with the people hating NVIDIA so much everywhere?

Geez, pick one.

- The marketing around Titan and the release scheme it follows
- Geforce Experience & forced login
- GTX 970 3.5 GB
- GameWorks
- Destroying the market with good product (I love that one)
- Price inflation through Founders Edition
- Crippling (insert old arch here) through drivers

I could probably add another dozen if you want? :)

The worlds fastest gaming card just got better.

With the added professional features it actually makes the Titan Xp look like good value compared to the high end non ref 1080 Ti cards like the HOF, lightning or Kingpin which don't have this enabled.

Vayra86Geez, pick one.

- The marketing around Titan and the release scheme it follows
- Geforce Experience & forced login
- GTX 970 3.5 GB
- GameWorks
- Destroying the market with good product (I love that one)
- Price inflation through Founders Edition
- Crippling (insert old arch here) through drivers

I could probably add another dozen if you want? :)

- Normal people don't have enough money to throw at Titans, and pros perfectly understand all the differences between different Titan versions. Also NVIDIA has never forced anyone to buy Titans.
- Never used one, don't care. And I'm an NVIDIA user. Come again please.
- Factually it has 4 gigs of VRAM, 0.5 of which runs slower which made a lot of people angry, yet in absolute most games these 0.5GB of slow VRAM don't affect performance/FPS in any way. The specs could have been better presented, true and for that they lost a class action lawsuit.
- GameWorks use the hardware features which work faster on NVIDIA GPUs. It's not like GW use the features which don't allow AMD cards to run GW titles. In a lot of games you can disable GW features completely. Also, since NVIDIA is a dominant player in the GPU market and GW allow for better graphics, independent game developers use the said features because they will work for at least 75% of people out there without a discernible performance loss.
- What?
- NVIDIA has never made anyone buy FE cards. Never.
- This has been proven to be false for at least a dozen times already.

So what do we see here? A load of either falsehoods, incompetence or baloneys.

Yeah, come with another dozen please, because you've got nothing so far. Or just don't.

birdie- Normal people don't have enough money to throw at Titans, and pros perfectly understand all the differences between different Titan versions. Also NVIDIA has never forced anyone to buy Titans.
- Never used one, doesn't care. And I'm an NVIDIA user. Come again please.
- Factually it has 4 gigs of VRAM, 0.5 of which runs slower which made a lot of people angry, yet in absolute most games these 0.5GB of slow VRAM don't affect games performance in any way. The specs could have been better presented, true and for that they lost a class action lawsuit.
- GameWorks use the hardware features which work faster on NVIDIA GPUs. It's not like GW use the features which don't allow AMD cards to run GW titles. In a lot of games you can disable GW features completely. Also, since NVIDIA is a dominant player in the GPU market and GW allow for better graphics, independent game developers use the said features because they will work for at least 75% of people out there without a discernible performance loss.
- What?
- NVIDIA has never made anyone buy FE cards. Never.
- This has been proven to be false for at least a dozen times already.

So what do we see here? A load of either falsehoods, incompetence or baloneys.

Yeah, come with another dozen please, because you've got nothing so far. Or just don't.

I think he was being mildly sarcastic. (see point 5).

Main reason is rose tinted specs and never supporting the market leader (look at Intels' haters too). Most folk love the underdog, forgetting that both are simply buisinesses after your money.

birdieWhat's up with the people hating NVIDIA so much everywhere?

It's highly fashionable and trendy to hate NVIDIA and Intel lately, even if they retain the performance crown in their respective markets.

In Slovenia price is 1500 € per piece TITAN Xp. An explanation of the multi gpu base plate gives a clear picture of the castration of all attributes on this product. And this would not be done if they were not forced due to AMD competition. The GTX 1080ti has a lot more circuitry and is cheaper. We'll just use other programs.This card is valid for petty shove of people and rich people who do not know what they are buying.

Wait, wait, wait! What did this driver supposedly unlock? Is it FP16 performance related? If it is and NVIDIA could be heading for a massive false advertising lawsuit from the people they gouged (deep learning and AI developers). This will probably be immediately followed by an FTC anti-trust probe because their position in the market allowed them to benefit hugely from the false advertising. There's plenty of supporting evidence for that charge as well (Founder's Edition, TWIMTBP promotion, intentionally gimping performance on GameWorks games when run on competitor's hardware with no means for competitors to rectify it, and so on).

What about Titan X Pascal?

It says "Xp" by name. Driver will work on X though.

FordGT90ConceptIt says "Xp" by name. Driver will work on X though.

But will it get the same performance improvements?

No idea. NVIDIA couldn't be more vague. I quote: "Provides multiple Titan Xp performance optimizations on a variety of applications for prosumers and creatives." The latter is definitely the market Quadro features.

chaosmassivehow convenient, you cripple 1.2k card performance and you enable the feature simply using driver update

Yup, thats NVIDIA at ist best. I will never buy an NVIDIA Card ever again. Not while AMD still exist.

Did some research:
Name|Chip|FP16
Quadro P6000|GP102GL|1:1
Quadro P100|GP100GL|2:1
Titan Xp|GP102|1:64
Just because it isn't a Quadro, Titan Xp was 64 times slower at FP16.

FordGT90ConceptDid some research:
Name|Chip|FP16
Quadro P6000|GP102GL|1:1
Quadro P100|GP100GL|2:1
Titan Xp|GP102|1:64
Just because it isn't a Quadro, Titan Xp was 64 times slower at FP16.

Better sue AMD as well. The Vega RX model has the same core as the FE but one can be used by professionals.

Quadro/Fire makes sense because you're paying for certified drivers, not specific hardware features. Or at least, that's the way it used to be.

Ehm, Fiji is 1:1, regardless if MI16 or Fury X.

the method of delivering increased performance is questionable
if the performance is intentionally crippled from silicon level that is understandable to avoid cannibalization
but the power GPU is NOT disabled at all in silicon level, just waiting for driver to expose them, that was like DLC on physical full game disc

After the original Kepler Titan and Titan Black Nvidia cut off the DP-Power for example.

Now after getting Competition in this originally targeted sector via AMDs Vega Founders Edition,
Nvidia needed to give their beloved buyers a little bit more value for the Titan-Brand.
But only for the Titan Xp ... not the others beween Titan Black and the actual Top-Product.

Fact: If AMD gets only a little bit off the throttle Nvidia will cripple it again ... just because they can.

chaosmassivethe method of delivering increased performance is questionable
if the performance is intentionally crippled from silicon level that is understandable to avoid cannibalization
but the power GPU is NOT disabled at all in silicon level, just waiting for driver to expose them, that was like DLC on physical full game disc

Well that is something Im always suspecting Intel and Nvidia from.
They got tons of tech laying around, they could easily leap humanity forward in tech by about lets say 10 years in an instand, but they dont, they just make sure they are at or slightly above the level of their 1 MUCH smaller competition, AMD.

All because that in the end would give them more money, so every time I see them coming up with their grins talking about their new cards and how its much better I just want to kick them in the balls.

They instead should say "hey we got this prototype in the back here that could run the latest games at 8k 120fps with ease buuuuuutttt seeing as our one competitor who has a laughable RND department vs ours only managed to build (insert new AMD card here) we are just going to release this meh card at full price"


Although Intel's rather pathetic damage control over Ryzen seems to indicate that maybe I am thinking too highly of those companies and their capabilities.

I wonder if 1080Ti users will see some performance improvements as well? Technically Titan's chip is same on 1080Ti's (just slightly gimped).

So they updated the drivers to show people that VEGA FE does not beat Titan Xp on specviewperf, like somebody would use either without certification on pro softs anyway...