Monday, April 30th 2018

Samsung, Micron, and Hynix Accused of DRAM Price Fixing

Law firm Hagens Berman has filed a class action lawsuit against Samsung, Micron, and Hynix in the US District Court for the Northern District of California. According to the firm's investigation, the three DRAM manufacturers conspired to limit the supply of DRAM chips between 2016 and 2017 with the purpose of inflating their prices. The firm affirmed that DRAM saw a 47 percent increase in price during 2017, which made it the largest jump ever in the last 30 years. As noted by the filing, Samsung, Micron and Hynix collectively own 96 percent of the worldwide DRAM market as of 2017. The "conduct changed abruptly" when the Chinese government launched an investigation to look into the matter. This class action is opened to consumers in the U.S. who've purchased a device that uses DRAM between July 1, 2016 and February 1, 2018.

"What we've uncovered in the DRAM market is a classic antitrust, price-fixing scheme in which a small number of kingpin corporations hold the lion's share of the market," stated Hagens Berman managing partner Steve Berman. "Instead of playing by the rules, Samsung, Micron and Hynix chose to put consumers in a chokehold, wringing the market for more profit."
This isn't Hagens Berman's first time to the rodeo either. The firm had previously achieved a $300 million settlement for consumers who paid high prices for DRAM back in 2006. Samsung and Hynix pleaded guilty to the charges and paid a collective sum of $731 million in criminal fines, and both DRAM manufacturers served a collective 3,185 days of jail time.
Source: AppleInsider
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49 Comments on Samsung, Micron, and Hynix Accused of DRAM Price Fixing

#26
Countryside
bugI only meant, even those that bashed may have been right, in a way. But yes, this is the internet, they were probably just talking/typing crap.
Indeed even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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#27
deu
Kohl BaasThe KIT that I actually use in my computer has 50% higher price than a year ago, when I bought it. Time is passing, faster and bigger DRAM kits coming month to month, yet all the prices are rising. Building a computer from new, op-to-date components is starting to become a luxury. DRAM prices because high demand, VGA prices because mining, M/B prices because the shrinking market, CPU is the only thing where you have something, but only because AMD finally got a good one too.
But you are kinda saying it: Lack of competition (includes pricefixing) = higher prices. I can accept supply and demand, but the problem is with the companies uses a "woaw demand is high because x and y, so we all just add 20% to the price. I am sure that these companies would LOVE for this to continue (+100% price = 200-xxxx% added profit). Again it would be increditably naive NOT to think that agreements could have been made to fixe the price to ensure each company multiple billions of dollars extra. :) In regard to the speed we know that RAM speed is mostly timing loosening, så 3200mhz is the "most" you can benifit unless you have some specific workload. Again; we have had more or less the same everyday performance for the last 5 years. (2400mhz DDR3 compared to 3200mhz DDR4). Its not like they have made their process more expensive (quite the oppersite).

Ill bet my kneecap that they have made some level of "gentleman agreement" over a dinner or a skypecall (it does take more than 5 seconds to say: "Are you in? follow my lead!" :D
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#28
Hossein Almet
And there hasn't been any editorial piece about DRAM's price from TECHPOWERUP on these times.
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#29
windwhirl
Hossein AlmetAnd there hasn't been any editorial piece about DRAM's price from TECHPOWERUP on these times.
Editorials, no... but I think there were quite a few implicit complaints in some news pieces.

here
This 5% drop in pricing has prompted industry analysts to review their profit estimates for 2018, and expect that the memory industry's growth rate will fall by more than half this year to 30 percent. You read that right - investors are scared because growth rates will be 30 percent instead of 60 percent. Oh the joys of inflated pricing, and slower-than-usual ramp-up to keep demand higher than supply. The joys of economic capitalism, where prices for consumers go up, and an industries' value skyrockets by more than 70$ in a single year (2017).
Raevenlord didn't seem real happy here.


And here btarunr mentioned the problem too, although in the context of cryptomining boom.
DRAM prices continue to torment gaming PC builders, with memory prices seeing triple-digit inflation over what they should be (a 32 GB dual-channel DDR4 memory kit, which should have ideally been priced around $200, is going for $500 these days)
So, yeah. Maybe they didn't see the need for editorials. It's been talked about and discussed all over TPU...
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#30
geon2k2
They will find ways to recover the loss. Consumers will pay for it anyway.

The only option is for some government to fine them really hard as a percentage of company revenue (not profit) and to monitor them for 10 years.
On any small misbehavior the fine should be automatically applied once more without aditional court order or something else.
For example for Hynix which as per wiki it does 15.98 B revenue and 3.67 B profit a good fine would be 5%*15.98B=0.799 Billion.

Holly molly, now that I look at this company they make shitload of profit for the revenue.
I'm not in finance but that 22% percent profit reported to revenue seems huge doesn't it?
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#31
Parn
I wish I lived in the US so I could sign up immediately. Those greedy tightasses deserve the punishment.
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#32
trparky
Too bad I bought after February 1, 2018, I guess no scraps for me.
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#33
Diverge
I called this months ago...
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#34
Gilhooligan
last time this happend i paid £98 for 8gb then samsung was caught out and the same 8gb went down to £30
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#35
riffraffy
trparkyOh sure... let's have a class action lawsuit where us regular folks will be lucky to get a few dollars meanwhile the lawyers walk away with bank.
It does seem lawyers cut is always way to high and that they are the real winners . But we also have to consider that while people are sitting in their armchairs waiting years for that very small check you still were invited to participate in something you didn't bring forth so you are not risking much . Meanwhile the firm still has to pay their overhead which should be substantial , like rent, salaries , insurance , research , experts , transportation , and much more . And this overhead is for whatever number of years it takes , and I don't know if this type of case can have postpones , appeals , etc.. But win or lose the consumer should benefit going forward because now the industry has been put in check , Which by the way does not stop companies from cheating ( Proof being the multitude of like cases ) but from being so blatant about it ( 47% rise! ) . Man did I just defend lawyers ...I'm surely going to hell now .
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#36
Easo
Fingers crossed for reduction in prices at least...
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#37
bug
In a way, it's like AMD can't catch a break. Last time they had a great CPU, Intel plays dirty and AMD can't sell as many as they would like. Now AMD has Ryzen, Intel plays nice (as far as we know), yet high RAM and GPU prices still stop many users from buying or upgrading.
A coincidence, for sure, but quite an unfortunate one for AMD.
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#38
etayorius
Does this mean that prices of RAM should go down?
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#39
bug
etayoriusDoes this mean that prices of RAM should go down?
Probably, but it's complicated.
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#40
windwhirl
geon2k2They will find ways to recover the loss. Consumers will pay for it anyway.

The only option is for some government to fine them really hard as a percentage of company revenue (not profit) and to monitor them for 10 years.
On any small misbehavior the fine should be automatically applied once more without aditional court order or something else.
For example for Hynix which as per wiki it does 15.98 B revenue and 3.67 B profit a good fine would be 5%*15.98B=0.799 Billion.

Holly molly, now that I look at this company they make shitload of profit for the revenue.
I'm not in finance but that 22% percent profit reported to revenue seems huge doesn't it?
As much as I'd like to see something like that, it probably won't happen. What you'd get is this: there is an investigation, it's determined that these companies incurred in price fixing, they get their day in court, and if they are found guilty, they are fined. If they incur in price fixing again, there must be another investigation, more legal procedures and another court order. There won't be automatic fines.

Of course, it is much more likely that, should the courts find them guilty, the fine could be quite the number. Hundreds of millions, maybe. I, for one, want to see a massive fine applied on each of them. And some prison time too.
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#41
megamanxtreme
What kind of prison are we talking here? The one where they are with the rest of the regular inmates or one where they have butlers cut their food, change their clothes, where they live the same lifestyle at their own homes just behind metal bars?
I'm more for prices coming down.
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#42
Tsukiyomi91
Well I expected this would happen... bet Samsung & Hynix will either start firing those who are involved in this scandal OR "reform" a part of their divisions & sweep everything under the carpet, pretending nothing ever happened.
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#43
hat
Enthusiast
RAM prices haven't budged. I thought this would bring them down?
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#44
windwhirl
hatRAM prices haven't budged. I thought this would bring them down?
They are only being accused of price fixing for now. Until the courts say that they are guilty, don't expect anything to change.
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#45
prnsforum
the point is WHEN DDR4 PRICE DROP !!!
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#46
Caring1
I know when prices of DDR4 will drop....right after I buy some. :shadedshu:
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#47
windwhirl
Caring1I know when prices of DDR4 will drop....right after I buy some. :shadedshu:
Alright, then. In the name of all consumers, go buy some :D
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#49
RoySRC
When exactly is the court date..?
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