Monday, September 24th 2018

Linux Community Hit by the Blight of Social Justice Warfare, A Great Purge is Coming

Through the 1990s, Microsoft had become a super-corporation threatening to monopolize all of computing. A band of talented developers got together with lawyers that could fish out loopholes in proprietary licenses, and with some generosity from big software, Linux grew from a scrappy Unix-like OS kernel to the preeminent operating system for enterprises at first, and handheld consumer electronics later. Today it's most popular operating system on the planet. Like every big organization, the Linux Foundation is hit by employee-activism.

Employee-activism is the new unionism. Whereas trade-unions of the old fought for tangible bread-and-butter issues affecting blue-collar folk of the early Industrial era, today's employee-activist is an intellectual predator seeking to maximize their organizational footprint on the backs of other people echoing their political ideas, often through blatant insubordination and disregard for the chain of command. Survival of the fittest has changed to "survival of the loudest." From forcing Linus Torvalds to apologize for speaking his mind in public, to coming up with a new Code of Conduct document, social-justice activism within the Linux Foundation threatens to devolve the culture of meritocracy to a toxic "safe space" prioritizing inclusion of identity rather than skill, as HardOCP comments. A major blow-back from the meritocrats is taking shape.

In a major revision to the license, software developers contributing to the Linux kernel source-code will soon be able to withdraw their contribution, if they are ever cornered by the rest of the community over perceived code-of-conduct violation (i.e. not pandering to identity politics or speaking their minds like Torvalds does). This is big, as many of the older generations of contributors who have made critical contributions without with Linux cannot function, now have a legal recourse, and could reduce the amount of political activism within the community.

Since 2015, identity politicians have been trying to force the Linux Foundation to join the Contributor Covenant, a special Code-of-Conduct agreement that seeks to change the "the predominantly white, straight, and male face of programming." On September 16, the Foundation agreed to implement CC Code of Conduct. Shortly following that, groups of pro-CC developers went on a character-assassination spree of top Linux developers by amplifying and often distorting, their political views (which are irrelevant to the task of programming).
Sources: Lulz, HardOCP
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#376
Valantar
DRDNAits more probable that when you look in the mirror you will find that you are the one who "exemplifies mindlessness"
Aww, thank you for that. Personal attacks are my favourite form of debate. They add so much value, and such insight on the topic.
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#377
StrayKAT
FordGT90ConceptLinux Foundation did it to itself. No one forced them to change the Code of Conflict.
I'm still going with conspiracy btw. All of them are Corporate outside Linus and.. Ted Hso, I think (who's already been smeared). The SJWs are just a means, not an end.
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#378
DRDNA
ValantarAww, thank you for that. Personal attacks are my favourite form of debate. They add so much value, and such insight on the topic.
easy now dont go all snowfake on me...you gave a personal attack on the USA President who is the Commander and Chief of the USA and I a USA citizen and Patriot have stated that it is you who is the one that's "exemplifies mindlessness" and I'm pretty certain I'm not mistaken!
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#379
Valantar
DRDNAeasy now dont go all snowfake on me...you gave a personal attack on the USA President who is the Commander and Chief of the USA and I a USA citizen and Patriot have stated that it is you who is the one that's "exemplifies mindlessness" and I'm pretty certain I'm not mistaken!
As far as I know, Donald Trump is not a party to this discussion, so as such it's impossible for me to attack him personally here (as that would require his presence). That you choose to take offense on his behalf is entirely on you. I'd be happy to expand on why I think he exemplifies mindlessness (which in the sense I mean it is a characterisation of his public persona, actions, speech and policies, and not of him as a person (I don't know him, and as such have zero grounds to make such a statement)), but I didn't do so here as frankly that's too far off-topic even for me. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I think he's dumb or that his actions and policies are as random as he makes them come off; I'm just saying he's focused on a very narrow set of goals (mainly promoting his "brand" and getting through policies that he and his businesses will gain from in the long run), and actively chooses to ignore any and all consequences beyond these (such as environmental damage, social ills, increased hate speech and violence, and so on). In other words, I'm using the word in the sense where it's a synonym to heedless (or: not mindful), not the sense where it means "marked by or displaying no use of the powers of the intellect". Sorry if that wasn't clear, but I was responding to @mtcn77 's use of the word, and didn't think of clarifying at the time. But as I said, this is going too far off-topic even for me. This thread is not about discussing neither Donald Trump, Ayn Rand, or any other single person not directly related to the Linux Foundation and the CoC. I'll gladly respond to a DM if you want further explanation of what I meant.

I suppose, in that sense, that you can say that I'm mindless of the feelings of Donald Trump. I'm pretty sure he's capable of handling me calling his persona mindless - he's a big boy, after all, being president and all that. I'm pretty sure he can take someone characterizing him as "mindless". Saying I exemplify mindlessness, though, is a bit of a stretch, unless you can come up with some more examples as to me not caring about or taking into account all relevant factors when discussing or dealing with a subject, as that statement implies that my entire appearance (at least on this forum) represents a mindless attitude.

As for being a sensitive snowflake; I called you out for attacking me personally, while you attacked me for making a characterization of a third party affiliated with neither of us. Who, if anyone, is being overly sensitive here?

And not to sound flippant, but as a patriotic US citizen you really ought to know that the term is Commander in Chief.
StrayKATI'm still going with conspiracy btw. All of them are Corporate outside Linus and.. Ted Hso, I think (who's already been smeared). The SJWs are just a means, not an end.
Corporations want stability. Again, Occam's razor tells us that it's more likely that corporations support this to ensure a stable and predictable development of the system, and not with the hope of effecting the overthrow of the current regime or removal of significant contributors.
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#380
lexluthermiester
DRDNAeasy now dont go all snowfake on me...you gave a personal attack on the USA President who is the Commander and Chief of the USA and I a USA citizen and Patriot have stated that it is you who is the one that's "exemplifies mindlessness" and I'm pretty certain I'm not mistaken!
This is so not related to the topic at hand. Please shovel that political FUD elsewhere. Thank You.

@Valantar Wow, we have never agreed so completely on something. This has been one seriously weird week.. LOL!
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#381
DRDNA
lexluthermiesterThis is so not related to the topic at hand. Please shovel that political FUD elsewhere. Thank You.

@Valantar Wow, we have never agreed so completely on something. This has been one seriously weird week.. LOL!
you meant the FUD your pushing...... don't go getting all butt hurt over the truth! I have every right to say what I have to the responses i have stated them to. Now you want to take my right away while you are using that same right to do the real FUD and Political shoveling....your a really funny person and this is typical snowflake behavior.......
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#382
lexluthermiester
DRDNAyou meant the FUD your pushing...... don't go getting all butt hurt over the truth!
Aww, that was adorable.
DRDNAI have every right to say what I have to the responses i have stated them to.
While technically true, it might garner the attention of the staff and perhaps earn you some time-out. Just throwing it out there..
DRDNANow you want to take my right away while you are using that same right to do the real FUD and Political shoveling..
Except that I haven't talked about politics at all.. Do you understand what the term "context" means?
DRDNAyou're a really funny person and this is typical snowflake behavior..
Grammar corrected. And really? You are calling ME a snowflake?!? :kookoo: Well, it had to happen sooner or later.. :roll::laugh:
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#383
DRDNA
lexluthermiester"context"
Hiding negative and slanderous statements with in some relating topics does not mean it is correct whether or not of the so called context.... and just because you agree with the negative slander doesn't make it right ....sorry you got all butt hurt tho. Also another snowflake move is attacking grammar ........okay professor..... :roll:
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#384
Valantar
DRDNAHiding negative and slanderous statements with in some relating topics does not mean it is correct whether or not of the so called context.... and just because you agree with the negative slander doesn't make it right ....sorry you got all butt hurt tho. Also another snowflake move is attacking grammar ........okay professor..... :roll:
You have a very low bar for what constitutes slander; whether you mean it in the legal sense or more colloquially, slander is a very strong word. Also, nobody here is "hiding" anything; bringing up a point in a specific context and saying the point only applies in said context is neither dishonest nor otherwise problematic. It's how the world works.
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#385
lexluthermiester
DRDNAsorry you got all butt hurt tho.
Aww, again with the adorable..
DRDNAAlso another snowflake move is attacking grammar
Not attacking, correcting. There's a difference.
DRDNA.okay professor.
Hey, as long as you know the pecking order, we're good.

Now please explain for us all how your political ramblings are in any way related to the topic of this thread.
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#386
DRDNA
ValantarYou have a very low bar for what constitutes slander; whether you mean it in the legal sense or more colloquially, slander is a very strong word. Also, nobody here is "hiding" anything; bringing up a point in a specific context and saying the point only applies in said context is neither dishonest nor otherwise problematic. It's how the world works.
lexluthermiesterAww, again with the adorable..

Not attacking, correcting. There's a difference.

Hey, as long as you know the pecking order, we're good.

Now please explain for us all how your political ramblings are in any way related to the topic of this thread.
I'm not easily trolled so I will just sit back as always and counter the the negative President Trump statements if I see them as i normally do..... Get use to it, it's not going to change.
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#387
Valantar
DRDNAI'm not easily trolled so I will just sit back as always and counter the the negative President Trump statements if I see them as i normally do..... Get use to it, it's not going to change.
So, in (barely) other words, you're not interested in having an on-topic discussion at all, then, just exercising your seemingly obsessive adoration for the current US president. Oh well. Will you please leave us to actually have an on-topic debate, then? You're admitting that your only goal here is off-topic trolling.

Also, you didn't clarify what exactly makes my statement constitutes "slander". I'd appreciate an explanation of just how it reaches that level, if you don't mind.
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#388
mtcn77
lexluthermiesterAww, again with the adorable..

Not attacking, correcting. There's a difference.

Hey, as long as you know the pecking order, we're good.

Now please explain for us all how your political ramblings are in any way related to the topic of this thread.
Okay, spellingbee, but I'm sure you missed out this one. Better hide before grammar nazis arrive...
R-T-BWhy?



What is?

Not going to break this down further because as far as I can tell, your thought process at this point is one of the following:

a.) Insane / Illogical and beyond rational comprehension without the use of some very specific drugs

b.) Incomprehensible due to a language barrier (honestly I hope this is it).

or

c.) So convinced that he is right that he doesn't even need to explain it, effectively a dillusion of being a perfect, god-like being. In which case seriously, get mental help.



You do realize that wasn't uh, real? You may as well cite bioshock as a reason not to pick up random sea slugs.

a.) or c.) are sadly garnering evidence.
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#389
Valantar
Well, this thread definitely took a sharp turn for the worse.

I guess it could be entertaining watching @mtcn77 @DRDNA selectively ignoring every actual response to their arguments or question posed to them, and how you instead focus solely on further degrading the thread, but instead it just makes me sad. Not that I really like the tone that's been thrown around for the past few posts from anyone (myself included, at least partly), but before you arrived, at least this resembled a productive and enlightening discussion. Now it's all gone to shit. Thanks.
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#390
mtcn77
ValantarWell, this thread definitely took a sharp turn for the worse.

I guess it could be entertaining watching @mtcn77 @DRDNA selectively ignoring every actual response to their arguments or question posed to them, and how you instead focus solely on further degrading the thread, but instead it just makes me sad. Not that I really like the tone that's been thrown around for the past few posts from anyone (myself included, at least partly), but before you arrived, at least this resembled a productive and enlightening discussion. Now it's all gone to shit. Thanks.
You have made it clear, through your latest cynical quips, that taking you on your word is pointless. I suppose that is the case with the rest of the neuro-pseudonym sjw groups in their democratic rebellion against sound reason in order to collect more attention to serve their vacant selves and go with the tide.
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#391
R-T-B
mtcn77Okay, spellingbee, but I'm sure you missed out this one. Better hide before grammar nazis arrive...
Wow, you found one spelling error out of all my posts, and bolded it. Do you seriously have anything to add or are you just going to troll this down to troll town?
ValantarWell, this thread definitely took a sharp turn for the worse.

I guess it could be entertaining watching @mtcn77 @DRDNA selectively ignoring every actual response to their arguments or question posed to them, and how you instead focus solely on further degrading the thread, but instead it just makes me sad. Not that I really like the tone that's been thrown around for the past few posts from anyone (myself included, at least partly), but before you arrived, at least this resembled a productive and enlightening discussion. Now it's all gone to shit. Thanks.
Yeah, I'm out. They can talk to themselves now. I hear echo chambers are great.
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#392
Valantar
mtcn77You have made it clear, through your latest cynical quips, that taking you on your word is pointless. I suppose that is the case with the rest of the neuro-pseudonym sjw groups in their democratic rebellion against sound reason in order to collect more attention to serve their vacant selves and go with the tide.
So I make a series of posts with on-topic responses to you, which you entirely ignore and refuse to even acknowledge, let alone respond to, instead insisting on further degrading the thread by off-topic ramblings, an outright refusal to engage in debate, and ad hominem attacks on other forum members, and I'm the cynical one?

Also,can you please tell me (and the rest of the world) what "neuro-pseudonym" means?

And it's still baffling to me how you can actually believe that people campaigning for social justice - which literally means making the world more fair - are doing so for popularity, and not, you know, to make the world more fair. Doesn't it make sense for that to be a goal in and of itself? One of these explanations is reasonable and logical, the other demonstrates a fundamental disbelief in human dignity and an accompanying belief that all human activity is cynical and self-serving. I'll leave it to you to figure out which is which, and which explanation fits the best to, as you term it, sound reason.

I've never had to actively argue for the applicability of Occam's razor this many times in a single debate. It's rather weird.
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#393
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
@AlwaysHope posted this on the other Linux-related thread and it's extremely relevant so I'll repost it here:
The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for FailureSomething has been going wrong on many college campuses in the last few years. Speakers are shouted down. Students and professors say they are walking on eggshells and are afraid to speak honestly. Rates of anxiety, depression, and suicide are rising—on campus as well as nationally. How did this happen?

First Amendment expert Greg Lukianoff and social psychologist Jonathan Haidt show how the new problems on campus have their origins in three terrible ideas that have become increasingly woven into American childhood and education: What doesn’t kill you makes you weaker; always trust your feelings; and life is a battle between good people and evil people. These three Great Untruths contradict basic psychological principles about well-being and ancient wisdom from many cultures. Embracing these untruths—and the resulting culture of safetyism—interferes with young people’s social, emotional, and intellectual development. It makes it harder for them to become autonomous adults who are able to navigate the bumpy road of life.

Lukianoff and Haidt investigate the many social trends that have intersected to promote the spread of these untruths. They explore changes in childhood such as the rise of fearful parenting, the decline of unsupervised, child-directed play, and the new world of social media that has engulfed teenagers in the last decade. They examine changes on campus, including the corporatization of universities and the emergence of new ideas about identity and justice. They situate the conflicts on campus within the context of America’s rapidly rising political polarization and dysfunction.

This is a book for anyone who is confused by what is happening on college campuses today, or has children, or is concerned about the growing inability of Americans to live, work, and cooperate across party lines.
TL;DR: how SJWs were created (lack of sociological and psychological resistance training), why they're fundamentally flawed in how they think (taking away free speech from others doesn't make them overcome their fundamental insecurity problem), and why corrective action must be taken against creating more (suicide rates among children are soaring, they function poorly outside of their protected environments, and there's a compounding of mistakes that lead to their condition going forward).
ValantarAnd it's still baffling to me how you can actually believe that people campaigning for social justice - which literally means making the world more fair - are doing so for popularity, and not, you know, to make the world more fair.
SJWs love vague platitudes like you just said there: define "fair" in the context of the Linux Foundation. Example: a very polite person may submit terrible code. "Fair" does not mean that this person's feelings can't be hurt because the code is rejected. On the other hand, an asshole submits fantastic code. "Fair" does not mean rejecting the code because the coder was an asshole.

As said many times before, "fairness" really has no relevance to the field of programming. The goal is to reach the best code humanly possible. That said, everyone should be respectful (not fair) of everyone else which is what the old Code of Conflict meant by "be excellent to each other."
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#394
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
ValantarAnd it's still baffling to me how you can actually believe that people campaigning for social justice - which literally means making the world more fair - are doing so for popularity, and not, you know, to make the world more fair
The below piece can quite explain SJW behavior in the U.S. I believe. Numerous liberal bastions of free speech, including the UC at Berkeley have had active successful attempts at silencing speakers and groups that don’t agree with their views. They have even cried about the bad people making them feel unsafe by subscribing to views not their own. Apparently free speech is only available to their SJW leaders who are not trying to make anything better for anyone but them and their offended sheep.
FordGT90Concept@AlwaysHope posted this on the other Linux-related thread and it's extremely relevant so I'll repost it here:

TL;DR: how SJWs were created (lack of sociological and psychological resistance training), why they're fundamentally flawed in how they think (taking away free speech from others doesn't make them overcome their fundamental insecurity problem), and why corrective action must be taken against creating more (suicide rates among children are soaring, they function poorly outside of their protected environments, and there's a compounding of mistakes that lead to their condition going forward).



SJWs love vague platitudes like you just said there: define "fair" in the context of the Linux Foundation. Example: a very polite person may submit terrible code. "Fair" does not mean that this person's feelings can't be hurt because the code is rejected. On the other hand, an asshole submits fantastic code. "Fair" does not mean rejecting the code because the coder was an asshole.

As said many times before, "fairness" really has no relevance to the field of programming. The goal is to reach the best code humanly possible. That said, everyone should be respectful of everyone else which is what the old Code of Conflict meant by "be excellent to each other."
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#395
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Looking back at everything, changing Code of Conflict to Code of Conduct didn't change anything in practical terms. LF-TAB is going to make the same decisions it did before based on the same overarching principle of maintaining the code is paramount. So why the outcry? The SJWs and their influence on adopting a politically motivated Code of Conflict (oops on LF's behalf but I suspect they'll move to fix that before the year is out). That's literally the spark that started the firestorm on the forest called "The Internet" and it seems to happen every few months. The whole situation (and it's cyclic nature) increasingly strikes me as juvenile.
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#396
Valantar
FordGT90ConceptSJWs love vague platitudes like you just said there: define "fair" in the context of the Linux Foundation. Example: a very polite person may submit terrible code. "Fair" does not mean that this person's feelings can't be hurt because the code is rejected. On the other hand, an asshole submits fantastic code. "Fair" does not mean rejecting the code because the coder was an asshole.
a) You accuse me of presenting vague platitudes, and respond with your own vague platitude - that fairness depends on context. Have you really not gotten this from what I've been saying already? Have I been promoting some sort of Platonic ideal of fairness?
b) Your example is entirely too narrow, presents a black-and-white situation in an area where shades of grey dominate, and very conveniently omits the situations in which a code of conduct would be relevant - in fact, you're selectively presenting the few examples in which it wouldn't. Here's a far more relevant example: A coder submits good code, but it has a few flaws. The coder is then hung out to dry by an asshole who isn't capable of giving feedback in a constructive way. Two main outcomes are realistic here: the asshole is confronted and asked to change their behaviour (and hopefully complies), or the code is abandoned as the initial coder seeks out an environment where work is given proper feedback. The former alternative is fair, meritocratic, and conducive to creating a productive work environment for most of those involved. The latter is counterproductive and damaging both to the community and individuals involved.
FordGT90ConceptAs said many times before, "fairness" really has no relevance to the field of programming. The goal is to reach the best code humanly possible. That said, everyone should be respectful (not fair) of everyone else which is what the old Code of Conflict meant by "be excellent to each other."
You say "fairness has no relevance", yet keep promoting your own view of what constitutes fairness in this situation. The context-stripped, asocial meritocracy (yes, that's a contradiction, as meritocracy would imply a social context) that you're promoting is nothing more than an attempt at stripping out relevant context that's inconvenient to your views.
FordGT90ConceptThe whole situation (and it's cyclic nature) increasingly strikes me as juvenile.
At least we can agree to something. Crying "censorship!" and "thought police!" every time someone wants enforceable rules to ensure productive cooperation is indeed juvenile.
rtwjunkieThe below piece can quite explain SJW behavior in the U.S. I believe. Numerous liberal bastions of free speech, including the UC at Berkeley have had active successful attempts at silencing speakers and groups that don’t agree with their views. They have even cried about the bad people making them feel unsafe by subscribing to views not their own. Apparently free speech is only available to their SJW leaders who are not trying to make anything better for anyone but them and their offended sheep.
I'm in no way a fan of no-platforming (in fact, I'm quite adamant that it's fundamentally wrong - the effort should be spent convincing people that they shouldn't want to listen to (for example) Nazis, not in denying Nazis the right to speak. Not listening to Nazis ought to be obvious, but sadly it isn't for many people today.). Nor have I said that I am. My impression is that the people promoting no-platforming are a loud and visible but marginal group, but one that often succeeds in riling up tensions and gaining local attention by using some simple and effective tactics.

I disagree with you in my diagnosis of the root of the problem, though: if it wasn't for the rise of political extremism (particularly right-wing, as there are very few actual extremist left-wing organizations active today) over the last decade or two, this would never have happened. And it has nothing to do with coddling; it has to do with people (finally!) feeling safe enough to speak up against mistreatment and abuse, whether it's discrimination, rape, assault, domestic violence, homophobia, racism, or anything else, really. It might seem counter-intuitive that these developments have been parallel, but it's also logical - either can be seen as a reaction to the other. The main difference is that one party wants more liberty, justice and openness, while the other promotes regressive attitudes, hate, discrimination and xenophobia. I know which side I support, but I also have no problem saying when people I agree with in principle make mistakes or promote damaging policies (such as no-platforming). The problem here is that people seem to assume that anyone progressive must agree with all progressives, which is obviously not true. Which is also why I try to focus on the arguments presented by people here and not setting up straw-man arguments painting everyone else as a reactionary old-south racist or some such. I would appreciate if others here would offer the same respect, though.
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#397
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
ValantarA coder submits good code, but it has a few flaws. The coder is then hung out to dry by an asshole who isn't capable of giving feedback in a constructive way. Two main outcomes are realistic here: the asshole is confronted and asked to change their behaviour (and hopefully complies), or the code is abandoned as the initial coder seeks out an environment where work is given proper feedback. The former alternative is fair, meritocratic, and conducive to creating a productive work environment for most of those involved. The latter is counterproductive and damaging both to the community and individuals involved.
Your scenario would imply that someone on the TAB is the asshole. In which case, Code of Conflict/Code of Conduct is the same (it's handed off to another member of the TAB to render judgement).

If a maintainer isn't doing their job then someone on TAB would deal with the situation.

The "fairness" component is opinion derived from the action the TAB member took and highly contextual.
ValantarYou say "fairness has no relevance", yet keep promoting your own view of what constitutes fairness in this situation. The context-stripped, asocial meritocracy (yes, that's a contradiction, as meritocracy would imply a social context) that you're promoting is nothing more than an attempt at stripping out relevant context that's inconvenient to your views.
The meritocracy isn't going away. How the best code gets determined isn't changing.
ValantarNot listening to Nazis ought to be obvious, but sadly it isn't for many people today.).
Freedom of speech goes hand-in-hand with the right to be heard. Why the sudden surge of extreme right activists? Because of the surge in the extreme left activists. One rises in anger to counter the arguments of the other. Listening is the first step to addressing the problem.
Valantarif it wasn't for the rise of political extremism (particularly right-wing, as there are very few actual extremist left-wing organizations active today) over the last decade or two, this would never have happened.
Watch the video. They address this very point. TL;DW: you're wrong. The meteoric shift is on the left (especially in schools and campuses). Movement on the right is retaliatory (Trump getting elected is the most visible example). The fanatical population on the right are likely in the 10s of thousands (talking the people brandishing swastikas, KKK, etc.). Fanatical population on the left is in the 100s of thousands or millions (talking SJW, ELF, BLE, Anti-Fa, etc.).
ValantarAnd it has nothing to do with coddling; it has to do with people (finally!) feeling safe enough to speak up against mistreatment and abuse, whether it's discrimination, rape, assault, domestic violence, homophobia, racism, or anything else, really.
Bold go to the police. Underline depends on context but it may be covered under freedom of speech. If you don't feel safe going to the police then that's an institutional problem that need to be addressed (a lot of districts are actively working on it). Underlined could be covered under Department of Labor or consultation with a lawyer. Generally though, it's just humans being humans.

If you really have need of a "safe space," that's what they call a "restraining order." It travels with you. Much better. ;)
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#398
lexluthermiester
ValantarI've never had to actively argue for the applicability of Occam's razor this many times in a single debate. It's rather weird.
If you think about it for moment, it is kinda funny.
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#399
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
ValantarA coder submits good code, but it has a few flaws. The coder is then hung out to dry by an asshole who isn't capable of giving feedback in a constructive way. Two main outcomes are realistic here: the asshole is confronted and asked to change their behaviour (and hopefully complies), or the code is abandoned as the initial coder seeks out an environment where work is given proper feedback. The former alternative is fair, meritocratic, and conducive to creating a productive work environment for most of those involved. The latter is counterproductive and damaging both to the community and individuals involved.
I don't accept PRs if I don't feel that it's a good idea and I'm increasingly harsh if brain-dead decisions are made. I have to agree with @FordGT90Concept on this one. If you do something really stupid (like branching off a branch that I actively didn't merge because of the issues, then making a PR for your code off that branch,) then yeah, I'm going to call the dev out on it. Either the dev didn't know what they were doing which is a problem or the dev actively knew what he was doing which is also a problem. Torvalds' is an asshole but, the things he complains about and rants about tend to have merit.

If you do something stupid that's going to impact every user and every contributor, I have no problem saying "what the f**k were you thinking?" In fact, I saw one like that yesterday where if I accepted it, it would have broke the build because the moron merged the wrong branch into their own with a bunch of stuff that's unrelated to their work and is also half broken. Something like that deserves scrutiny and I'm not going to sugarcoat it because, the gravity of the problem needs to be recognized.
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#400
lexluthermiester
AquinusTorvalds' is an asshole but, the things he complains about and rants about tend to have merit.
AquinusIf you do something stupid that's going to impact every user and every contributor, I have no problem saying "what the f**k were you thinking?"
AquinusSomething like that deserves scrutiny and I'm not going to sugarcoat it because, the gravity of the problem needs to be recognized.
This. Linus doesn't generally open his mouth unless he's got something to say and knows was he's talking about. Bringing glaring problems to light sometimes needs negative response to spotlight the seriousness of the problem. Anyone who thinks Linus is just a loudmouthed a-hole is either an easily offended special-snowflake or is ignorant to what Linus stands for. People who "get it", appreciate his work knowing how difficult it can be to stay on top of such a long term commitment.
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