Monday, September 24th 2018

Linux Community Hit by the Blight of Social Justice Warfare, A Great Purge is Coming

Through the 1990s, Microsoft had become a super-corporation threatening to monopolize all of computing. A band of talented developers got together with lawyers that could fish out loopholes in proprietary licenses, and with some generosity from big software, Linux grew from a scrappy Unix-like OS kernel to the preeminent operating system for enterprises at first, and handheld consumer electronics later. Today it's most popular operating system on the planet. Like every big organization, the Linux Foundation is hit by employee-activism.

Employee-activism is the new unionism. Whereas trade-unions of the old fought for tangible bread-and-butter issues affecting blue-collar folk of the early Industrial era, today's employee-activist is an intellectual predator seeking to maximize their organizational footprint on the backs of other people echoing their political ideas, often through blatant insubordination and disregard for the chain of command. Survival of the fittest has changed to "survival of the loudest." From forcing Linus Torvalds to apologize for speaking his mind in public, to coming up with a new Code of Conduct document, social-justice activism within the Linux Foundation threatens to devolve the culture of meritocracy to a toxic "safe space" prioritizing inclusion of identity rather than skill, as HardOCP comments. A major blow-back from the meritocrats is taking shape.

In a major revision to the license, software developers contributing to the Linux kernel source-code will soon be able to withdraw their contribution, if they are ever cornered by the rest of the community over perceived code-of-conduct violation (i.e. not pandering to identity politics or speaking their minds like Torvalds does). This is big, as many of the older generations of contributors who have made critical contributions without with Linux cannot function, now have a legal recourse, and could reduce the amount of political activism within the community.

Since 2015, identity politicians have been trying to force the Linux Foundation to join the Contributor Covenant, a special Code-of-Conduct agreement that seeks to change the "the predominantly white, straight, and male face of programming." On September 16, the Foundation agreed to implement CC Code of Conduct. Shortly following that, groups of pro-CC developers went on a character-assassination spree of top Linux developers by amplifying and often distorting, their political views (which are irrelevant to the task of programming).
Sources: Lulz, HardOCP
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#501
Valantar
FordGT90ConceptMeritocracy: control is delegated to those that have contributed the best code. There's resistance to new ideas but that in itself promotes stability of the software.
This assumes that leadership ability and coding ability are linked, which is ... quite far-fetched. That you're able to write good code does not mean you're well-suited to deciding the direction of all future development.
FordGT90ConceptMonarchy: corporations would definitely seize control and it would become increasingly closed-source as corporate code is integrated (e.g. HEVC decoders that require third party licensing).
I don't know what you're describing here, but it isn't a monarchy. Oligarchy, perhaps? Monarchy would be Torvalds (or anyone, really) having absolute power over anything Linux-related with "heritable" succession (i.e. he chooses his own successor) and no real say for anyone else.
FordGT90ConceptDemocracy: what people want and what people need rarely align. Would lead to Linux becoming a bloated mess no one wants.
True up to a point. In this case, where likely 99% of the people involved with Linux development represent corporations, any straight-forward democracy would be problematic.
FordGT90ConceptAnarch: Linux wouldn't even compile.
One could argue that the current model where anyone can submit code is a basic form of anarchy, though of course the need for having the code validated by someone makes it a very weak form of it.
FordGT90ConceptI think it's obvious which social structure best fits programming of all kind (meritocracy). The only thing that may come close is control determined by stake but who has the most stake in Linux's future? Corporations (especially Google), which translates to oligarchy. I would go with meritocracy before oligarchy.
There's no such thing as a pure meritocracy, and as shown above, you're equating merit in one field with merit in another, with no obvious link between the two. Besides, "meritocracy" isn't anything near a formalized structure, meaning that it's vulnerable to misuse. Rules for transferring power and succession are necessary. While I'm not intimately familiar with the structures of the Linux Foundation, I'd imagine some sort of representative democracy where corporate/for-profit actors and interests are limited to a certain amount of representatives would make sense. There is also a strong argument to be made for the "sole visionary" monarchistic approach, but as Torvalds' apparent declining interest in taking part in the actual management seems to exemplify, that's not a stable, long-term solution - not to mention quite fundamentally opposed to the ideological foundation of Linux as "free" and "open".
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#502
StrayKAT
ValantarThis assumes that leadership ability and coding ability are linked, which is ... quite far-fetched. That you're able to write good code does not mean you're well-suited to deciding the direction of all future development.
Well, that's definitely true. Steve Jobs easily stands out here. He wasn't much of a coder.. yet he started not only Apple, but NeXT and Pixar. But he was apparently difficult too. So that didn't hamper his leadership either.
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#503
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
ValantarI don't know what you're describing here, but it isn't a monarchy. Oligarchy, perhaps? Monarchy would be Torvalds (or anyone, really) having absolute power over anything Linux-related with "heritable" succession (i.e. he chooses his own successor) and no real say for anyone else.
In the maintainership summit discussions about succession, Torvalds himself said that ship has sailed. There's too many moving parts and too many vested interests for one person to lord over everything. We're talking hundreds of emails on a daily basis and that will only grow as Linux does. It's information overload for one person. That said, you do need an overarching project manager that compiles the release candidates. Right now that's Torvalds. If Torvalds stepped down, Greg Kroah-Hartman would no doubt replace him (presently is).


A republic may be best. TAB as Senate (long term interest), maintainers as House (short term interest), Torvalds is President (project manager), and an external body of arbiters as the Supreme Court (addressing conflict and ethics that makes recommendations if the matter can't be resolved). TAB puts names forward for replacing project manager and maintainers vote on it. Maintainers can likewise vote to force TAB to put someone else forward (impeach current project manager).

It could also take a corporate structure where subsystem managers are the board, project manager is CEO, and maintainers contribute under one or more subsystem managers.
StrayKATWell, that's definitely true. Steve Jobs easily stands out here. He wasn't much of a coder.. yet he started not only Apple, but NeXT and Pixar. But he was apparently difficult too. So that didn't hamper his leadership either.
Pixar was a computer division of Lucas Films which Apple invested in allowing it to become an independent company.
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#504
GoldenX
I don't wanna go to BSD... it's in an even greener state than Linux!
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#505
StrayKAT
FordGT90ConceptIn the maintainership summit discussions about succession, Torvalds himself said that ship has sailed. There's too many moving parts and too many vested interests for one person to lord over everything. We're talking hundreds of emails on a daily basis and that will only grow as Linux does. It's information overload for one person. That said, you do need an overarching project manager that compiles the release candidates. Right now that's Torvalds. If Torvalds stepped down, Greg Kroah-Hartman would no doubt replace him (presently is).


A republic may be best. TAB as Senate (long term interest), maintainers as House (short term interest), Torvalds is President (project manager), and an external body of arbiters as the Supreme Court (addressing conflict and ethics that makes recommendations if the matter can't be resolved). TAB puts names forward for replacing project manager and maintainers vote on it. Maintainers can likewise vote to force TAB to put someone else forward (impeach current project manager).

It could also take a corporate structure where subsystem managers are the board, project manager is CEO, and maintainers contribute under one or more subsystem managers.



Pixar was a computer division of Lucas Films which Apple invested in allowing it to become an independent company.
My bad then. He owned a lot of it though.. but I still think what I said somewhat applies. He had an eye for talent and in the case of NeXT and Apple especially, nurturing that talent.
GoldenXI don't wanna go to BSD... it's in an even greener state than Linux!
Talking about Nextstep makes me just want to see that again. GNU Hurd was supposed to be similar, but it's vaporware (going on 30 years :( ). edit: Not vaporware exactly.. but not what it could be.
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#506
Valantar
StrayKATWell, that's definitely true. Steve Jobs easily stands out here. He wasn't much of a coder.. yet he started not only Apple, but NeXT and Pixar. But he was apparently difficult too. So that didn't hamper his leadership either.
Yep, Jobs had definite large-scale leadership talent and some visionary qualities that few have - but as you say, his interpersonal skills were reportedly ... nonexistent. This can work, given the correct circumstances, but is almost solely the case in start-ups and small companies. There's also a case to be made that a theoretical version of Jobs that had better people skills/wasn't a semi-dictatorial leader could have done even better, though that's of course extremely difficult to hypothesize.
FordGT90ConceptA republic may be best. TAB as Senate (long term interest), maintainers as House (short term interest), Torvalds is President (project manager), and an external body of arbiters as the Supreme Court (addressing conflict and ethics that makes recommendations if the matter can't be resolved). TAB puts names forward for replacing project manager and maintainers vote on it. Maintainers can likewise vote to force TAB to put someone else forward (impeach current project manager).

It could also take a corporate structure where subsystem managers are the board, project manager is CEO, and maintainers contribute under one or more subsystem managers.
I think you're right about the former. As for the latter, corporate systems have too few checks on power, making them essentially a particular form of oligarchy. This "works" in the for-profit business world (until it doesn't), but it'd be a bad fit for something like developing the fundamental software for the computer infrastructure of the world (as specific interests would likely skew development towards their own goals rather than more universally applicable developments).
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#507
antiseptic
TheLostSwedeNothing worse than a sausage fest of upset, entitled, elitist nerds...
Who? Like you? You can go around cursing at people all t he time because you disagree with how they do things. Just because you're a sensitive snowflake who can't take it is of little consequence.
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#508
TheLostSwede
News Editor
antisepticWho? Like you? You can go around cursing at people all t he time because you disagree with how they do things. Just because you're a sensitive snowflake who can't take it is of little consequence.
You joined the forums just to post this? I'm really flattered. I don't know why you felt touched by my comment though, I guess you must be a Linux developer?
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#509
lexluthermiester
moproblems99There was nothing ever technical about the thread anyway. It has been political from start to now.
You need to reread. While this tread has been very political, there are very valid discussions concerning the effect the new CoC is and will have on the technology world as a whole.
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#510
mtcn77
It cannot take a corporate structure, that would be the same as a bureaucracy posing as a technocracy, a.k.a. what Intel has right now(HR as the spokesperson for everybody).
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#511
moproblems99
lexluthermiesterYou need to reread. While this tread has been very political, there are very valid discussions concerning the effect the new CoC is and will have on the technology world as a whole.
I have read every post. But saying this had to do with tech is like saying arguing about who is better AMD vs nVidia is discussing technical aspects of GPUs
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#512
StrayKAT
moproblems99I have read every post. But saying this had to do with tech is like saying arguing about who is better AMD vs nVidia is discussing technical aspects of GPUs
These people will make everything about politics. They started it :p

Seriously.. it's the hallmark of Critical Theory. Instead of Marxism turning it's eye on labor and economy, Critical Theorists see the fundamental problems of society most of all in the realms of media and social influence... and calls to infiltrate them all. They attack any structure that "props up opressors".. It could be College, it could be Tech, it could be Comic books and Star Wars, it could be TV Sitcoms, it could be Apple Pie. Nothing is safe. Everything is suddenly political and a symbol of an accursed world that needs to live up to higher ideals.

In one sense, I actually agree with them. I, in fact, do think the world is accursed and favors injustice. I just don't think they have the solution. I also don't care to change society as drastically or as quickly as they do. If people want to be accursed, so be it. Outside of pedophilia, I'm not going to fight it too much. But if people want to be left alone from SJWs, my advice is to put your foot down immediately... and be happy with being hated for it. Once they get their foot in, you'll soon cease to recognize what it is you valued.
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#513
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
I don't think it will change anything TBH. If anything, all we'll get is a passive aggressive Linus but, he'll still shoot down garbage PRs if someone does something stupid.

This thread is a mountain when it really should just be a mole hill.
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#514
moproblems99
StrayKATOnce they get their foot in, you'll soon cease to recognize what it is you valued.
They'll fuck up the kernel no more than once before it will go back to the way it was.
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#515
StrayKAT
moproblems99They'll fuck up the kernel no more than once before it will go back to the way it was.
We'll see, I guess. The task of actually changing the "culture" surrounding open source would be less apparent and more difficult than.. say... the tone of a Captain America comic or late night talk shows. The messaging there is all superficial and upfront as it is. With programming, this is abstract and more niche. But enough in the know - and who it really affects - will be able to spot differences, I bet.
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#516
lexluthermiester
moproblems99I have read every post. But saying this had to do with tech is like saying arguing about who is better AMD vs nVidia is discussing technical aspects of GPUs
Hey, if you don't see it, you don't see it. That's problem for no one else.
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#517
R-T-B
lexluthermiesterYou need to reread. While this tread has been very political, there are very valid discussions concerning the effect the new CoC is and will have on the technology world as a whole.
All I have seen is unbacked theory on it's POTENTIAL impact honestly.
lexluthermiesterHey, if you don't see it, you don't see it. That's problem for no one else.
I mean, it may have to do with tech, but only vaguely and the link is weak at best, IMO.
AquinusThis thread is a mountain when it really should just be a mole hill.
Yep, called it that before this thread, was a thread.
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#518
lexluthermiester
R-T-BAll I have seen is unbacked theory on it's POTENTIAL impact honestly.
Give it time.
R-T-BI mean, it may have to do with tech, but only vaguely and the link is weak at best, IMO.
This will have effect on the entire world as most of it runs on Linux variants. The effect might be slow at first.
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#519
R-T-B
lexluthermiesterGive it time.
I mean, that's what I'm advocating everyone do. And you know my bet, or should. Maybe I wasn't noisy enough.
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#520
StrayKAT
All you have to do is read the CoC founder, as far goals go. They want a complete paradigm shift. Don't miss the forest for the trees and get distracted by this or that particular issue. The only thing imaginary is from people living in denial of it.

postmeritocracy.org/
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#521
R-T-B
StrayKATThe only thing imaginary is from people living in denial of it.
I mean, I'd say claiming to know the future is about as imaginary as it gets...

...but if we're going there, you'd best read the actual CoC text. It's the only enforceable thing, not the authors goals.

How about we just admit we all have to wait and see and call it a day?
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#523
StrayKAT
R-T-BI mean, I'd say claiming to know the future is about as imaginary as it gets...

...but if we're going there, you'd best read the actual CoC text. It's the only enforceable thing, not the authors goals.

How about we just admit we all have to wait and see and call it a day?
It's not about prediction. It's simply the consequence of ideas. This is the case with all major philosophical movements. You could see real world impact from the Liberals of the 18th century. You could see real world impact of Existentialists and Nihilists of the 19th. It's easier to see the impact of philosophy in the art world, but that's rarely where it ends.
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#524
mtcn77
FordGT90ConceptThe text sucks: www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/linux-community-hit-by-the-blight-of-social-justice-warfare-a-great-purge-is-coming.247870/page-4#post-3910043

It might as well say: "anything offensive you say can and will be used against you." Also: "we value community over code."
They lack a notion of energy, just as Ayn Rand predicted, since they lack the privacy of constitution. Though, these hypotheticals are far outside the field of statist democrats. Society needs a counterbalance from their hazard - anything they set out for is further deprived of momentum as they go about their wild hunts stripping the resources of much more significant projects.
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#525
R-T-B
FordGT90ConceptThe text sucks: www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/linux-community-hit-by-the-blight-of-social-justice-warfare-a-great-purge-is-coming.247870/page-4#post-3910043

It might as well say: "anything offensive you say can and will be used against you." Also: "we value community over code."
I was only pointing out that the authors GOALS are not enforcable. Only the text is. I intentionally made no comment on it's content.
StrayKATIt's not about prediction.
Claiming to know something that hasn't happened yet, regardless of reasons or rationale, is prediction.
mtcn77They lack a notion of energy, just as Ayn Rand predicted, since they lack the privacy of constitution. Though, these hypotheticals are far outside the field of statist democrats. Society needs a counterbalance from their hazard - anything they set out for is further deprived of momentum as they go about their wild hunts stripping the resources of much more significant projects.
Nods. I'm going to pretend that made sense and say my constitution is ok, but thanks for asking.
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