Monday, September 24th 2018

Linux Community Hit by the Blight of Social Justice Warfare, A Great Purge is Coming

Through the 1990s, Microsoft had become a super-corporation threatening to monopolize all of computing. A band of talented developers got together with lawyers that could fish out loopholes in proprietary licenses, and with some generosity from big software, Linux grew from a scrappy Unix-like OS kernel to the preeminent operating system for enterprises at first, and handheld consumer electronics later. Today it's most popular operating system on the planet. Like every big organization, the Linux Foundation is hit by employee-activism.

Employee-activism is the new unionism. Whereas trade-unions of the old fought for tangible bread-and-butter issues affecting blue-collar folk of the early Industrial era, today's employee-activist is an intellectual predator seeking to maximize their organizational footprint on the backs of other people echoing their political ideas, often through blatant insubordination and disregard for the chain of command. Survival of the fittest has changed to "survival of the loudest." From forcing Linus Torvalds to apologize for speaking his mind in public, to coming up with a new Code of Conduct document, social-justice activism within the Linux Foundation threatens to devolve the culture of meritocracy to a toxic "safe space" prioritizing inclusion of identity rather than skill, as HardOCP comments. A major blow-back from the meritocrats is taking shape.

In a major revision to the license, software developers contributing to the Linux kernel source-code will soon be able to withdraw their contribution, if they are ever cornered by the rest of the community over perceived code-of-conduct violation (i.e. not pandering to identity politics or speaking their minds like Torvalds does). This is big, as many of the older generations of contributors who have made critical contributions without with Linux cannot function, now have a legal recourse, and could reduce the amount of political activism within the community.

Since 2015, identity politicians have been trying to force the Linux Foundation to join the Contributor Covenant, a special Code-of-Conduct agreement that seeks to change the "the predominantly white, straight, and male face of programming." On September 16, the Foundation agreed to implement CC Code of Conduct. Shortly following that, groups of pro-CC developers went on a character-assassination spree of top Linux developers by amplifying and often distorting, their political views (which are irrelevant to the task of programming).
Sources: Lulz, HardOCP
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#476
R-T-B
StrayKATWhat does that matter when more and more software is creating dependencies on it?
I mean, almost nothing depends explicity on systemd? You can write an init script pretty easily.
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#477
StrayKAT
R-T-BI mean, almost nothing depends explicity on systemd? You can write an init script pretty easily.
Like I said, even Gnome depends on it... at least the later versions. So much so that it's probably being dropped on BSD (as of now, it's an old Gnome). Although there is a solution (that Slackware uses) to fake the presence of systemd with a wrapper.. but I don't think BSDs are down with that.
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#478
R-T-B
StrayKATLike I said, even Gnome depends on it... at least the later versions. So much so that it's probably being dropped on BSD (as of now, it's an old Gnome). Although there is a solution (that Slackware uses) to fake the presence of systemd with a wrapper.. but I don't think BSDs are down with that.
Gnome 3. There's plenty of alternatives though. MATE is literally a gnome fork that supports standard script based inits (GNOME 2 foundation). GNOME 3 is like the only thing I can think of that isn't a systemd module.
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#479
StrayKAT
R-T-BGnome 3. There's plenty of alternatives though. MATE is literally a gnome fork that supports standard script based inits (GNOME 2 foundation). GNOME 3 is like the only thing I can think of that isn't a systemd module.
To be fair, they would probably say good riddance anyhow. More window manager and KDE fans there.
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#480
R-T-B
FordGT90ConceptYou're forgetting "warrior," aka, belligerent, aka, extremist.
Missed this, but when I see SJW, it's usually being belligerently levied as a insult to someone. Not worn as a badge. Making it basically an ill defined blunt instrument of verbal warfare. Much like how this thread is peppered with "the left this the left that" when I haven't even heard of 90% of the stuff that you apparently think we do or support.

I think both sides are closer than we think. But then we have someone driving us apart. Just going to leave this here as a recent example of "fear the others":

StrayKATTo be fair, they would probably say good riddance anyhow. More window manager and KDE fans there.
Lol, I'd certainly say good riddance, but wasn't going there... Gnome is like Windows 8 to me without a start menu hack. Annoying.
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#481
StrayKAT
R-T-BMissed this, but when I see SJW, it's usually being belligerently levied as a insult to someone. Not worn as a badge. Making it basically an ill defined blunt instrument of verbal warfare. Much like how this thread is peppered with "the left this the left that" when I haven't even heard of 90% of the stuff that you apparently think we do or support.



Lol, I'd certainly say good riddance, but wasn't going there... Gnome is like Windows 8 to me without a start menu hack. Annoying.
Well, I'm gonna say a "warrior for Social Justice" is easily MLK Jr. One of my favorite people of the 20th century.

But an SJW is someone who protested a plaque on a school with a quote from MLK.. "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

It was deemed "problematic" because it was only about race.

www.nationalreview.com/2016/01/university-oregon-martin-luther-king-quote-inclusive/
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#482
R-T-B
I think what a SJW is is in the eyes of the beholder, and very poorly defined, with an always negative connotation though.

Which is precisely why it's a horrid term. You might as well run around calling people "buttface."

What happened to stating what you actually think they did wrong, rather than lumping them all in a convenient, easily hate-able group vaguely associated with the left?

I mean it's brilliant really, because it caters well to stupid people and a lot of our country still falls into that category, sadly. ("stupid" being below average in standard grading metrics, no offense intended despite the wording).
StrayKATWell, I'm gonna say a "warrior for Social Justice" is easily MLK Jr. One of my favorite people of the 20th century.

But an SJW is someone who protested a plaque on a school with a quote from MLK.. "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

It was deemed "problematic" because it was only about race.

www.nationalreview.com/2016/01/university-oregon-martin-luther-king-quote-inclusive/
And see? Here I am, a bonified evergreener, telling you that's stupid. We aren't laden with people like that. But they make a lot of noise.
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#483
StrayKAT
R-T-BI think what a SJW is is in the eyes of the beholder, and very poorly defined, with an always negative connotation though.

Which is precisely why it's a horrid term. You might as well run around calling people "buttface."

What happened to stating what you actually think they did wrong, rather than lumping them all in a convenient, easily hate-able group vaguely associate with the left?

I mean it's brilliant really, because it caters well to stupid people and a lot of our country still falls into that category, sadly.
It isn't entirely poorly defined. From my understanding, it stems from Critical Theory with a dose of French Deconstructionism. From Critical Theory, you get the foundation for defining all aspects of life as between Victims and Oppressors... but with Deconstruction's knack for destroying any sense of objective reality/morality and it's ongoing quest for some higher truth in a postmodern world. In the end, it's sort of a victim olympics, with the most potentially oppressed finally winning out on all "truth" and whose opinions outweigh everyone else's. The African-American-Indian-Trans-Lesbian might have the most social value at the moment. Or whoever trumps that one next.

edit: I would also add that those Deconstructionists may very well have been a joke. There are some things that have come out in recent years that some of these philosophers and artists were being used by the CIA, to give the Soviet Union a bunch of bullshit to mull over and trick them into thinking the West had some "intellectual culture" superior to theirs. It was a LARP.

Only it infiltrated our own universities, and it's done more damage to the West now than it ever did the Soviets.

I'd also add that this is why Muslims suddenly have high social "value" than, say, white females now. Even though many Muslim circles go completely against the precepts of feminism (FGM, Honor killings, etc). They win the "victim" card more than the average feminists, because the "white patriarchy" (oppressor) hates them more. It's kind of the Black Hole/Singularity of Left Wing politics imo... where extreme Leftism and extreme Conservatism meet.
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#484
moproblems99
R-T-BWhat happened to stating what you actually think they did wrong, rather than lumping them all in a convenient, easily hate-able group vaguely associated with the left?
Honestly, I think that is because humans are by nature tribal so we like to divide. I mean if you keep going down the totem pole there are religions that have subdivided themselves and kill each other.
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#485
StrayKAT
SJWs are the ones with the keenest eye for tribalism. Like I said, they're hyper-aware on the differences of others and have a hierarchy of victimhood.

If you don't want tribalism, you simply focus on merit.
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#486
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Think a judge would ever call him or herself a "social justice warrior?" How about even fighting for "social justice?" I certainly don't. A judge would advocate for laws that treat everyone equally and a good judge rules the same way. If someone has been treated unfairly then they should seek "social justice" in the court of law where a judge hears the case and decides if the law was violated. That is not something for a mob to decide or even an individual outside of a court of law.


And thread derailed again. Unfortunately, I got nothing new to put it back on track. :P
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#487
StrayKAT
FordGT90ConceptThink a judge would ever call him or herself a "social justice warrior?" How about even fighting for "social justice?" I certainly don't. A judge would advocate for laws that treat everyone equally and a good judge rules the same way. If someone has been treated unfairly then they should seek "social justice" in the court of law where a judge hears the case and decides if the law was violated. That is not something for a mob to decide or even an individual outside of a court of law.


And thread derailed again. Unfortunately, I got nothing new to put it back on track. :p
Doh... I thought I was kind of keeping on topic. :P
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#488
hat
Enthusiast
@FordGT90Concept this thread's been derailed for so long, it may not even be earthbound anymore...

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#489
moproblems99
FordGT90ConceptAnd thread derailed again.
There was nothing ever technical about the thread anyway. It has been political from start to now.

EDIT: And your mother is a hamster.

EDIT 2: I mean I call your mother a hamster.

EDIT 3: I deeply apologize. Please don't pull all your comments from the forums because you have been offended! I didn't know about the CoC! OH THE YUMANITY!!
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#490
mtcn77
StrayKATI'd also add that this is why Muslims suddenly have high social "value" than, say, white females now. Even though many Muslim circles go completely against the precepts of feminism (FGM, Honor killings, etc). They win the "victim" card more than the average feminists, because the "white patriarchy" (oppressor) hates them more. It's kind of the Black Hole/Singularity of Left Wing politics imo... where extreme Leftism and extreme Conservatism meet.
I thought you were going to say "abolishes pretense." You know, Muhammed turned the Arabs away from very significant cultural codes like adoptions just because these create fake identities and that eventually turns any human away from the truth? Kind of did the opposite, really. He wasn't a pagan. He did everything so that reason, not faith kept reign.
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#491
StrayKAT
mtcn77I thought you were going to say "abolishes pretense." You know, Muhammed turned the Arabs away from very significant cultural codes like adoptions just because these create fake identities and that eventually turns any human away from the truth? Kind of did the opposite, really. He wasn't a pagan. He did everything so that reason, not faith kept reign.
It doesn't matter what Muslims to believe per se. It's just about who is currently on the victim/oppressor axis. And unlike early Marxism, Critical Theory combats images/preconceptions in media and culture most of all.. That's it's main battleground, rather than economics. So from their perspective, Muslims get a lot of "victim" credit because their image in Western media and establishment is kind of low.
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#492
mtcn77
StrayKATIt doesn't matter what Muslims to believe per se. It's just about who is currently on the victim/oppressor axis. And unlike early Marxism, Critical Theory combats images/preconceptions in media and culture most of all.. That's it's main battleground, rather than economics. So from their perspective, Muslims get a lot of "victim" credit because their image in Western media and establishment is kind of low.
Yeah, because Democrats are anti-establisment and somehow that is supposed to be a Muslim thing?
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#493
StrayKAT
mtcn77Yeah, because Democrats are anti-establisment and somehow that is supposed to be a Muslim thing?
The true ones aren't Democrats. They'd call themselves (left leaning) anarchists and just want to deconstruct Western culture and destroy shit.

I don't know what to make of Democrats anymore... or who's using who at this point.
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#494
mtcn77
StrayKATThe true ones aren't Democrats. They'd call themselves (left leaning) anarchists and literally just want to deconstruct Western culture and destroy shit.

I don't know what to make of Democrats anymore... or who's using who at this point.
Well, I gave a solid example. Democracy is what anarchists are doing because they are relativists. Everything is infinitely complex in their deranged minds and they are capable of anything, just because they don't stand up for anything actually. They have no moral grounds with which to view themselves. Perfect position to let the alter-ego out in the open.
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#495
StrayKAT
mtcn77Well, I gave a solid example. Democracy is what anarchists are doing because they are relativists. Everything is infinitely complex in their deranged minds and they are capable of anything, just because they don't stand up for anything actually. They have no moral grounds with which to view themselves. Perfect position to let the alter-ego out in the open.
Ultimately, I think you're right (about Democracy). But I think the average person doesn't look at the consequence of certain trains of thought... Maybe they need a wake up call.

Then again, I could be wrong. Maybe there's more of them than I think. Look at the French Revolution. The whole country went mad.
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#496
mtcn77
StrayKATUltimately, I think you're right (about Democracy). But I think the average person doesn't look at the consequence of certain trains of thought... Maybe they need a wake up call.

Then again, I could be wrong. Maybe there's more of them than I think. Look at the French Revolution. The whole country went mad.
... and was succeeded by a republic. You rarely see riot in a republic because the appointees by definition "have to be the best tool" to do the job. It is infinitely expensive to come up with an alternative explanation to things that work by nature, thermodynamics state that by virtue of limited energy intake and expenditure. Those that do make it, have to be respected, otherwise the alternative solution will be more expensive, or worse, or both. Luckily we can imagine creatively devoid of that 1st rule. :)
PS: unrelated but as a testament to what democrats are capable of,
The ruling 'democrat' party revoked the students' amendment. It was repealed. The constitutional court decided 'those kinds of'(see the retaliatory speech?) oaths are against being a 'democracy'.
You cannot have good things in a democracy, they will be challenged and they will be abolished.
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#497
StrayKAT
mtcn77... and was succeeded by a republic. You rarely see riot in a republic because the appointees by definition "have to be the best tool" to do the job. It is infinitely expensive to come up with an alternative explanation to things that work by nature, thermodynamics state that by virtue of limited energy intake and expenditure. Those that do make it, have to be respected, otherwise the alternative solution will be more expensive, or worse, or both. Luckily we can imagine creatively devoid of that 1st rule. :)
PS: unrelated but as a testament to what democrats are capable of,
The ruling 'democrat' party revoked the students' amendment. It was repealed. The constitutional court decided 'those kinds of'(see the retaliatory speech?) oaths are against being a 'democracy'.
You cannot have good things in a democracy, they will be challenged and they will be abolished.
Well, I'll take a Republic over Democracy too, but I'm actually a closet monarchist :D

Not sure how to tie this back to Linux.
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#498
Valantar
StrayKATWell, I'll take a Republic over Democracy too, but I'm actually a closet monarchist :D

Not sure how to tie this back to Linux.
Actually, it would seem to tie quite directly into the idea/"plan" of a "coup" against Torvalds (which he somehow seems to kind of support himself). Should Linux be a monarchy, representative democracy, or anarchy? Are there sufficient checks and balances in place? Do corporations get a vote?
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#499
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Meritocracy: control is delegated to those that have contributed the best code. There's resistance to new ideas but that in itself promotes stability of the software.

Monarchy: corporations would definitely seize control and it would become increasingly closed-source as corporate code is integrated (e.g. HEVC decoders that require third party licensing).

Democracy: what people want and what people need rarely align. Would lead to Linux becoming a bloated mess no one wants.

Anarch: Linux wouldn't even compile.

I think it's obvious which social structure best fits programming of all kind (meritocracy). The only thing that may come close is control determined by stake but who has the most stake in Linux's future? Corporations (especially Google), which translates to oligarchy. I would go with meritocracy before oligarchy.
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#500
StrayKAT
ValantarActually, it would seem to tie quite directly into the idea/"plan" of a "coup" against Torvalds (which he somehow seems to kind of support himself). Should Linux be a monarchy, representative democracy, or anarchy? Are there sufficient checks and balances in place? Do corporations get a vote?
If it was possible, sure, I'd argue for a monarch or sole visionary.. but that ship has already sailed with Linux. I don't think it's quite anarchic either though. As potentially open as it is, few want to depart from accepted practices too much. Look what I was saying about systemd earlier. Even though there are other options, for some reason most distros are converging around it. edit: The same developer of systemd also made PulseAudio.. which also seems pretty standard now.

In a way though, there is a lot of corporate push behind this. He works for Red Hat.. and it's pushed by Red Hat.
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