Talk about eggs and baskets. If PRC invades ROC, global electronics industry (and Apple) will collapse.

Doesn't Apple plan to use an APU by 2020 even for it's desktops? I imagine that will be TSMC too.

StrayKATDoesn't Apple plan to use an APU by 2020 even for it's desktops? I imagine that will be TSMC too.

Nothing confirmed yet, still just rumors btw it could be an SoC, like a high(er) power Ax or something.

btarunrTalk about eggs and baskets.

Only TSMC has enough capacity planned for global N7-N5-N3 demand.
- GlobalFoundries hit a local snag for Fab 8.2(N3 Fab) which meant no extended funding for EUV+. (GF was also told to stop 7nm and shrink pathfinding by customers.)
- Intel 10nm/7nm/5nm requires new tools to get HVM and reduce production costs.
- Samsung is currently only doing N7 through N3 at S3.

Intel and Samsung can compete with products and TSMC doesn't.

Lets hope Trump obstruct them from doing that.. by forcing apple to manufacture in US or by applying more taxes or by both.
i am not hating apple because their devices are overpriced but because they use cheap chinese and korean labor and manufacturing

Xaledi am not hating apple because their devices are overpriced but because they use cheap chinese and korean labor and manufacturing

LOL . You must hate everyone then.

btarunrTalk about eggs and baskets. If PRC invades ROC, global electronics industry (and Apple) will collapse.

And if putin gets drunk and launches some nukes, everybody will die.

Doesnt mean its gonna happen. China has been swooning over taiwan since before I was born, and yet they still dont control it. Invading it loses them a major bargaining chip, and sends their own economy into a downward spiral that they cannot afford.

XaledLets hope Trump obstruct them from doing that.. by forcing apple to manufacture in US or by applying more taxes or by both.
i am not hating apple because their devices are overpriced but because they use cheap chinese and korean labor and manufacturing

So you dont want 7nm then?

Th3pwn3rLOL . You must hate everyone then.

why would i hate Xiaomi or Huwaei? they use their own labor, and are not overpriced

TheinsanegamerN.
So you dont want 7nm then?

i sure do, but not by the greedy Apple nor nVidia

XaledLets hope Trump obstruct them from doing that.. by forcing apple to manufacture in US or by applying more taxes or by both.
i am not hating apple because their devices are overpriced but because they use cheap chinese and korean labor and manufacturing

Except Korean labour isn't cheap, even metaphorically speaking, while in China the wages have been ever increasing at a rate that makes only the largest companies profitable. The thing that some Americans still don't get is that it's economies of scale that works in favor of China, a large part of it is the result of US & Western greed where they invested blindly in China, also making huge often times polluting factories. If the jobs ever come back onshore, they'll be relevant only when automation kicks in otherwise there are still cheaper alternatives to China, too many of them in fact.

XaledLets hope Trump obstruct them from doing that.. by forcing apple to manufacture in US or by applying more taxes or by both.
i am not hating apple because their devices are overpriced but because they use cheap chinese and korean labor and manufacturing

Let's hope he does, so Apple crappy products will cost double as they do now, and they'll lose a big part of the market, hopefully.
Also as said, you must hate everyone then!

Apple has contracts in place that assure it something ridiculous like 80% of TSMC's output.

btarunrTalk about eggs and baskets. If PRC invades ROC, global electronics industry (and Apple) will collapse.

For people not familiar with the idiom: "Put all eggs in one basket"

To invest, devote, or commit all of one's energy or resources into a single venture, opportunity, or goal, generally at the risk of losing everything in the event that that thing fails or does not come to fruition.

Not even necessarily China doing something. TSMC can only produce so much and they could be taking on more orders than they can handle. This doesn't bode well for the electronics industry.

XaledLets hope Trump obstruct them from doing that.. by forcing apple to manufacture in US or by applying more taxes or by both.
i am not hating apple because their devices are overpriced but because they use cheap chinese and korean labor and manufacturing

How do you believe Apple has reached 1 trillion dollar market cap? By using US workers that ask for hundreds of thousands of dollars in wage per year, medical ensurances and what not, even before they even come to the interview? Please give me a break with Trump and all this BS. US is where it is today because:
- it avoided the big wars that plagued europe and other parts of the world, reaping the benefits at the end;
- they always have occupied rich places (like oil countries) claiming that they fight terorism and imaginary (invented by them) targets to have control over resources, not caring about the chaos they create;
- they had slaves to work for them for many, many years. Now you love those black people, but they worked their asses to gain that right;
- US economy (and most other developed countries) is practically based on China workforce in these days. Don't start to tell me that you have a lot of factories and shit, cause you have nothing compared to China;
For better or for worse, China has reached the place it stands today though hard work, lives lost, families broken apart, 16 hour working shifts and sleeping on wood beds in a 3x3m rooms with a couple more people and slim wages.

The conclusion of this post should be that if you like your Apple devices to be at 1K price level, they need to be manufactured/designed/engineered in China (that designed in California is a joke really). If you are willing to pay 2K or more dollars on a new iphone, yeah, it can be built on US soil, for sure.

yeeeemanHow do you believe Apple has reached 1 trillion dollar market cap? By using US workers that ask for hundreds of thousands of dollars in wage per year, medical ensurances and what not, even before they even come to the interview? Please give me a break with Trump and all this BS. US is where it is today because:
- it avoided the big wars that plagued europe and other parts of the world, reaping the benefits at the end;
- they always have occupied rich places (like oil countries) claiming that they fight terorism and imaginary (invented by them) targets to have control over resources, not caring about the chaos they create;
- they had slaves to work for them for many, many years. Now you love those black people, but they worked their asses to gain that right;
- US economy (and most other developed countries) is practically based on China workforce in these days. Don't start to tell me that you have a lot of factories and shit, cause you have nothing compared to China;
For better or for worse, China has reached the place it stands today though hard work, lives lost, families broken apart, 16 hour working shifts and sleeping on wood beds in a 3x3m rooms with a couple more people and slim wages.

The conclusion of this post should be that if you like your Apple devices to be at 1K price level, they need to be manufactured/designed/engineered in China (that designed in California is a joke really). If you are willing to pay 2K or more dollars on a new iphone, yeah, it can be built on US soil, for sure.

Irony dude .. Irony
My point was that Apples producs are overpriced despite they are produced in a cheap way ... and i agree with what you said. it is called capitalism and greed. thats why US are maintaining its position as the worlds strongest nation (in military). So american dudes work less and get paid the most..and thats why they joined ww2 and thats all what ww1 and ww2 was about.. it was about colonizing the world. colonizong the world so they still other peoples resources and let them be slaves for them

Great that we agree