Sunday, December 30th 2018

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 Founders Edition Pictured, Tested

Here are some of the first pictures of NVIDIA's upcoming GeForce RTX 2060 Founders Edition graphics card. You'll know from our older report that there could be as many as six variants of the RTX 2060 based on memory size and type. The Founders Edition is based on the top-spec one with 6 GB of GDDR6 memory. The card looks similar in design to the RTX 2070 Founders Edition, which is probably because NVIDIA is reusing the reference-design PCB and cooling solution, minus two of the eight memory chips. The card continues to pull power from a single 8-pin PCIe power connector.

According to VideoCardz, NVIDIA could launch the RTX 2060 on the 15th of January, 2019. It could get an earlier unveiling by CEO Jen-Hsun Huang at NVIDIA's CES 2019 event, slated for January 7th. The top-spec RTX 2060 trim is based on the TU106-300 ASIC, configured with 1,920 CUDA cores, 120 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 240 tensor cores, and 30 RT cores. With an estimated FP32 compute performance of 6.5 TFLOP/s, the card is expected to perform on par with the GTX 1070 Ti from the previous generation in workloads that lack DXR. VideoCardz also posted performance numbers obtained from NVIDIA's Reviewer's Guide, that point to the same possibility.
In its Reviewer's Guide document, NVIDIA tested the RTX 2060 Founders Edition on a machine powered by a Core i9-7900X processor and 16 GB of memory. The card was tested at 1920 x 1080 and 2560 x 1440, its target consumer segment. Performance numbers obtained at both resolutions point to the card performing within ±5% of the GTX 1070 Ti (and possibly the RX Vega 56 from the AMD camp). The guide also mentions an SEP pricing of the RTX 2060 6 GB at USD $349.99.
Source: VideoCardz
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234 Comments on NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 Founders Edition Pictured, Tested

#126
Rowsol
The performance numbers are surprising, faster than I expected.

As for Nvidia's pricing: They will charge as much as they can, which is currently a lot because they have no competition. If AMD or Intel ends up putting out something competitive than maybe we'll see some price drops.
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#127
TheOne
I have a feeling if Intel and AMD can get their performance numbers to NVIDIA's and include RT they will price along side them, especially Intel.
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#128
Gutterbanger
lexluthermiesterEveryone is complaining about price. Is it really that expensive? And if so, is really that difficult to save money for an extra month or two?

The price is not the problem although it is to high for a card with no future. When RT hits full swing even the 2080 will be under powered for any of the new games. the 1080 TI is enough card for the next four years, by then RT will be in full swing along with many other upgrades that the 2080 is not ready for better cards will be needed. Buying a card for the future now is not going to work IMO. I will wait and buy a card in the future that is actually made to play the games in the future as I think the 2080 in four years will be just like trying to use a GTX 950 to play in 4k now.
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#129
the54thvoid
Super Intoxicated Moderator
GoldenXThat doesn't make it right. Keep rising prices, tolerating it, see what happens.
"They all do it" is not an argument, it's complacency.
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Right and wrong do not apply to capitalism.

Ethical? We can use that - but not right or wrong.

FWIW, I did not upgrade my 1080ti to a 2080ti because for me, it's NOT worth it. But I'm not bitching about it. I'm quietly voting with my wallet but as you'll see, that does nothing to change the situation. Yes - the quaint and rather impotent concept that if I don't buy it, they'll fail... well, there are a lot of people with good incomes that will buy it because to them, it has value.

As for the statement: "are companies dictatorships?" Take a good look at that. Nvidia (NVDA) is a Nasdaq listed company with shareholders that receive dividends for the company's performance. If they started selling cheap cards, the price would tank (that's how it works, it would be seen as a loss of confidence in business product and confidence is what the share index is all about.)

@xkm1948 actually has got it so correct - if you want 'sensibly' priced cards you need a government supported chip maker to swamp the market. Not going to happen. AMD is your only hope of Nvidia prices coming back to earth. And don't hold your breath on that one.
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#130
Blueberries
1070ti to 1080 performance for a $350 MSRP is a bargain, people. When the 1070 (non ti) came out the MSRP was $380, and you couldn't find an AIB for under $450.

Performance is up and cost is down, and people are still finding a way to complain. Not to mention the lower power draw of this card means lower thermals and fan profile, and just to add icing on the already sweet cake you get some RT cores you'll never use.


Hell, I paid $400 for a GTX 670 years ago when Kepler came out, it didn't have HALF the performance of this card and it sounded LIKE A LAWNMOWER. I don't know if you guys are just now getting into computer hardware but we didn't all have it this easy.
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#131
GoldenX
the54thvoid:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

Right and wrong do not apply to capitalism.

Ethical? We can use that - but not right or wrong.

FWIW, I did not upgrade my 1080ti to a 2080ti because for me, it's NOT worth it. But I'm not bitching about it. I'm quietly voting with my wallet but as you'll see, that does nothing to change the situation. Yes - the quaint and rather impotent concept that if I don't buy it, they'll fail... well, there are a lot of people with good incomes that will buy it because to them, it has value.

As for the statement: "are companies dictatorships?" Take a good look at that. Nvidia (NVDA) is a Nasdaq listed company with shareholders that receive dividends for the company's performance. If they started selling cheap cards, the price would tank (that's how it works, it would be seen as a loss of confidence in business product and confidence is what the share index is all about.)

@xkm1948 actually has got it so correct - if you want 'sensibly' priced cards you need a government supported chip maker to swamp the market. Not going to happen. AMD is your only hope of Nvidia prices coming back to earth. And don't hold your breath on that one.
There is a difference between silently not buying and saying you can't complain at all about pricing.
The fact that "right and wrong don't apply to capitalism" sounds like communism with better cars.
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#132
Totally
lexluthermiesterEveryone is complaining about price. Is it really that expensive? And if so, is really that difficult to save money for an extra month or two?

Seems to be at the end of the card.
To refererence the SHS, the bulk of cards on there are x50/x60 that occupy the $150-250 space. You try to overgeneralize things with "And if so, is really that difficult to save money for an extra month or two?" What if it took an individual 10 months just to save up the $250 in the first place? So they're supposed to just save for another 7-8 months? They are, that's we have threads should I buy old gen x or wait for new gen y because by the time they've finally saved up enough new cards are around the corner.
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#133
xorbe
Blueberries1070ti to 1080 performance for a $350 MSRP is a bargain, people. When the 1070 (non ti) came out the MSRP was $380, and you couldn't find an AIB for under $450.
I was going to mention something along this line. Sounds like 1070Ti/1080 ballpark for $350. Of course the 1080 came out over 2.5 years ago, the wheels of progress are moving slowly these days ...
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#134
moproblems99
lexluthermiesterGonna borrow from another conversation for a moment with this breaking news story;

Some are proceeding with the logic that is based on the idea of comparing a 2060 to a 1070, a 1080 to a 2070, a 1080ti to a 2080 and a Titan to a 2080ti.

The rest of us are not doing that. We're comparing a 1060 to a 2060, 1070 to a 2070, a 1080 to a 2080, a 1080ti to a 2080ti and a GTX Titan to an RTX Titan.

We now return you to your normally scheduled conversation..
It should be looked at like this: What did $350 get me last gen at launch? In this case, pretty much exactly what you get this gen with a little extra slightly useful fluff.
Vayra86Doesn't make sense though, because that will cannibalize the 2070 and we know that isn't Nvidia's style at all.
I said this in another thread. Either the the price is wrong or the performance is wrong in these charts. The numbers are too close to the 2070.
EarthDogVulkan reminds me of Physx... it is there and can be useful in some titles... but isnt a big player.

Vulkan really doesnt seem to have taken hold since its release. Not sure how it can gain traction. Time isnt on its side.
I wish Vulkan would be used more so I could drop Windows completely. If Linux had more share, Vulkan would be used. I think RTX is very much like Vulkan in the sense that the potential user base is so small that adoption will be slow.
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#135
HisDivineOrder
the54thvoid:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

Right and wrong do not apply to capitalism.

Ethical? We can use that - but not right or wrong.

FWIW, I did not upgrade my 1080ti to a 2080ti because for me, it's NOT worth it. But I'm not bitching about it. I'm quietly voting with my wallet but as you'll see, that does nothing to change the situation. Yes - the quaint and rather impotent concept that if I don't buy it, they'll fail... well, there are a lot of people with good incomes that will buy it because to them, it has value.

As for the statement: "are companies dictatorships?" Take a good look at that. Nvidia (NVDA) is a Nasdaq listed company with shareholders that receive dividends for the company's performance. If they started selling cheap cards, the price would tank (that's how it works, it would be seen as a loss of confidence in business product and confidence is what the share index is all about.)

@xkm1948 actually has got it so correct - if you want 'sensibly' priced cards you need a government supported chip maker to swamp the market. Not going to happen. AMD is your only hope of Nvidia prices coming back to earth. And don't hold your breath on that one.
I don't think it's better to silently accept things the way they are that you don't want them to be. I think complaining about them is a decent first step towards doing something about it. After all, people could have said the same thing when nvidia released the FX series. But they didn't. They could have said it with the 200 series. But they didn't.

No, nvidia responded to market competition.

www.cnet.com/news/nvidia-cuts-prices-on-gtx-260-280-graphics-boards/

No, the problem here is AMD's lack of competition. When this kind of "release the same performance at slightly higher pricing" happened, we'd always have ATI to counterbalance it. Well, ATI or 3dfx. Now, though, AMD's purchase of ATI has left the industry crippled. We're either slaves to Intel's greed or nvidia's greed. That's why there's equal amounts of blame to go toward AMD, whose incompetence is stagnating GPU progress throughout the industry. Hopefully, Intel will come along and price low with decent tech and support with good drivers (far from a sure thing) and give us the competition that AMD seemingly is unable to provide to nvidia.
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#136
Gorstak
You aren't slaves to anything. 8800 GT 512 10 years ago costed 2000kn. I know cuz I bought it. And there were cards like 9800 GTX+ and ultra, that costed a tremendous ammount.
Everything remained the same. You can still buy a modern 8800 GT type for the same price. So mainstream cards remained with same price, and a normal, mainstream desktop pc still costs 4000kn.
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#137
Eric3988
I love me some capitalism, but a good product can still be at a bad price point. It's too bad we can't have a discussion about this without so much mudslinging everywhere. I, for one, don't buy into any leaks ever and will judge this card based on actual price-performance in games I play, not with artificial benchmarks. If the price is justified on performance then it's a buy, if it's basically an updated 1070 at the same price, then I'll just scratch my head and move on.
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#138
moproblems99
HisDivineOrderWe're either slaves to Intel's greed or nvidia's greed.
Last I checked, no one is required to by PC components.
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#139
xkm1948
moproblems99Last I checked, no one is required to by PC components.
The f*ucking age of entitlement to anything. Yep you said it 100% right. i gotta say the education system did a good job training millions pf people to think like this.
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#140
Fouquin
lexluthermiesterHere's a set of facts;
1. Every generation of new GPU's get a price increase.
2. Every generation of GPU's offers a performance increase.
3. People always complain about said price increase while trying to minimize or ignoring the increase in performance.
Every generation gets a price increase? Well hang up just a second there, that's not a 'fact' I've ever heard or seen presented.



The average MSRP of a flagship nVidia GPU was set at a hair over $525 for nearly a decade, with the majority of new releases being either cheaper or the same price. The GTX 780 was the first card to buck the trend in half a decade, and the GTX 980 looked like a return to that comfortable average before the 10 series and now 20 series have cranked up the heat. Even with the migration of flagship status to 'Ti' series cards the price increase is felt at the launch of the 20 series, with the 2080 Ti's minimum cost set where the first three generations of Titans were.

I have no argument against the fact that performance increased with each generation, except for with the 9800 GTX but that was a very strange special case as the 8800 Ultra was announced after the 9800 series launched, so there's this distinct overlap of product lines that lead to the 9800 GTX taking a bit of a back seat while still being sold as the flagship product of a new generation.

So the actual fact is the 20 series breaks the trend by being the first product series in over a decade to feature an increased MSRP over a previous generation that also had an increased MSRP. It also features the highest increase in average price, as well as the highest MSRP values to date since the 8800 Ultra 11 years ago. Those facts have helped form the opinion of large group of consumers that the entire product series is overpriced.
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#141
lexluthermiester
SlizzoExcept MSRP, for the 2080Ti At least, is "starting at $999".
That's for the FE direct from NVidia. Most did/do not pay anywhere near that price for an AIB model. For example mine was under $800. Yes, yes.
FouquinEvery generation gets a price increase? Well hang up just a second there, that's not a 'fact' I've ever heard or seen presented.
You didn't go back far enough and your own graph is incorrect.
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#142
Fouquin
lexluthermiesterYou didn't go back far enough and your own graph is incorrect.
I went back over a decade and provided 10 generations of data. Far enough is subjective, but there's plenty of data there to draw a conclusion. Rather than simply say, "You're wrong," please offer up corrections where needed.
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#143
lexluthermiester
moproblems99It should be looked at like this: What did $350 get me last gen at launch? In this case, pretty much exactly what you get this gen with a little extra slightly useful fluff.
Gotta disagree. It should be looked at like this; " What level of performance can $350 get me today? Does it meet my needs? " While you have a good point, making comparisons to previous gen cards is fruitless as that is not going to help with a current purchase unless you're willing to buy used.
FouquinI went back over a decade and provided 10 generations of data. Far enough is subjective, but there's plenty of data there to draw a conclusion. Rather than simply say, "You're wrong," please offer up corrections where needed.
I've already done that previously, you seem to have missed it.. Hint, look on page 3 of this thread.
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#144
GoldenX
xkm1948The f*ucking age of entitlement to anything. Yep you said it 100% right. i gotta say the education system did a good job training millions pf people to think like this.
I'm not forced to get a 2060, but inflating prices sets the bar higher for the competition, so enjoy your mid range at USD700 5 years from now, thanks.
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#145
Xzibit
FouquinI went back over a decade and provided 10 generations of data. Far enough is subjective, but there's plenty of data there to draw a conclusion. Rather than simply say, "You're wrong," please offer up corrections where needed.
Be prepared to get redirected to one of his facts opinions.
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#146
lexluthermiester
XzibitBe prepared to get redirected to one of his facts opinions.
As opposed to the mindless drivel that regularly comes out of you?

Research is helpful. Go look up MSRP's from reliable sources and you will find all sorts of useful information. You will also discover that the numbers in his graph are just a bit off.
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#147
moproblems99
lexluthermiesterGotta disagree. It should be looked at like this; " What can level of performance can $350 get me today? Does it meet my needs? " While you have a good point, making comparisons to previous gen cards is fruitless as that is not going to help with a current purchase unless you're willing to buy used.
That is true when you are considering what you are actually going to buy but not when you are measuring progress between generations. I don't recall exactly and I don't care enough to look but the 1070 was either $349 or $399 MSRP launch price. If the 2060 is really $349 MSRP with 1070ti performance (which I don't believe) then the only progress this generation is RTX. People's belief of the value or RTX vary widely but RTX likely won't have much value for a view years and the 20 series will have a hard time keeping up by then.
lexluthermiesterThat's for the FE direct from NVidia. Most did/do not pay anywhere near that price for an AIB model. For example mine was under $800. Yes, yes.
You got a 2080ti for under $800?
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#148
lexluthermiester
moproblems99People's belief of the value or RTX vary widely but RTX likely won't have much value for a view years and the 20 series will have a hard time keeping up by then.
See, I'm one of those who like RTX. I didn't at first because there wasn't enough info to make an informed conclusion. Once that info was out there and the potential of RTX's RTRT was explored, even just a little, I saw the value of it. That was the motivation needed to get one and have fun with it.
moproblems99You got a 2080ti for under $800?
2080. The 2080FE is MSRP'd at $999. The 2080tiFE is at $1199.
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#149
Fouquin
lexluthermiesterAs opposed to the mindless drivel that regularly comes out of you?
Please cease the unnecessary ad-hominem attacks. There is no need to introduce personal attacks and toxicity in a debate about computer hardware.
lexluthermiesterI've already done that previously, you seem to have missed it.. Hint, look on page 3 of this thread.
Oh, I did. Is it this?
lexluthermiesterI can think of at least three other times were the percentage jump in price was comparable to this one. The Geforce 2 to Geforce 3, the FX 5X00 series to 6X00 series and the 9X00 Series to the GTX 2X0 series. And that's just NVidia. ATI had two instances where the generational price jump was huge. ATI justified it because of vertex shaders and such, as did NVidia. 3DFX did one as well. The Voodoo 2 was twice the price of the Voodoo 1.
Yes, that is still a lot of words and not a lot of actual price figures. It also doesn't say anything about how the data within the graph I posted is incorrect, as you insisted it was.

Here are the prices of older generations that I was able to gather from reviews and retail listings:




Those numbers are largely irrelevant as they show effectively the same general price scale, and have actually decreased the averaged MSRP to $517.
lexluthermiesterGo look up MSRP's from reliable sources and you will find all sorts of useful information. You will also discover that the numbers in his graph are just a bit off.
Please provide these reliable sources. All you have done thus far is act as the contrarian and provided no tangible proof of your facts. "You are wrong," is not an argument. If you have information to contribute, don't feel as though you need to hold it back. Put it out there, share it, let me be proven wrong! That's the point of the debate.
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#150
bug
GoldenXThere is a difference between silently not buying and saying you can't complain at all about pricing.
There is also a difference between complaining about pricing and making that the only point in every thread that has Nvidia in its title ;)
GoldenXThe fact that "right and wrong don't apply to capitalism" sounds like communism with better cars.
They do, actually apply. Making money is good, losing money is bad. That's why the state has the supervisor's job ;)
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