Pascal GDDR6 refresh ?

CrackongPascal GDDR6 refresh ?

Nope, it appears to be a proper Turing card. Chip is TU116 which is quite a bit bigger than GP106.

Turing with bad RTX cores. It's a smart way to get rid of defective GPU dies.

Hopefully they still have the Tensor cores though, so DLSS will still work with them.

newtekie1Turing with bad RTX cores. It's a smart way to get rid of defective GPU dies.

Hopefully they still have the Tensor cores though, so DLSS will still work with them.

Smaller die with no RT cores, last I read.
www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/nvidia-tu116-gpu-pictured-up-close-noticeably-smaller-than-tu106.252582/

I wouldn't call $70 cheaper a tight squeeze. Maybe if the base was 1000 not 350.

ShurikNI wouldn't call $70 cheaper a tight squeeze. Maybe if the base was 1000 not 350.

It leaves more room for those variants Nvidia likes to put out slower memory and the 3GB variant.

Last Gen was a $30 and $20 increment at their launch if they move the initial offering up $30 by calling it a Ti. They can slot in the non-ti -$30 and their lower variants -$30 and so forth.

Too much money, especially considering the RX 590 which likely competes well with it is priced under $300 with more memory.

If this thing comes in over $300 for 3rd party vendors, you might as well go with a 2060. You can get an EVGA 2060 for $349.

This crap is not worth more than 250$ but we like your style ngridia.

FordGT90ConceptToo much money, especially considering the RX 590 which likely competes well with it is priced under $300 with more memory.

This GPU re-spin with 1536 cores and 192-Bit bus to GDDR6 should come out faster than the 1070 which sells for $300 nevermind the 580/590 behind the 1070.

kastriotThis crap is not worth more than 250$ .

I Agree

FordGT90ConceptToo much money, especially considering the RX 590 which likely competes well with it is priced under $300 with more memory.

RX590 will be competing in performance with GTX1660Ti? RX 590 is nowhere near GTX1070 in performance and this card should be very close to It.

kastriotThis crap is not worth more than 250$ but we like your style ngridia.

GTX1060 FE started at $299 and this is starting at $279 while performing 25-30% better, that's not so bad.
AMD is selling an old Polaris for $260(RX590) and this should start at only $279 while performing much better(+15-20%). If this is a "crap" not worth the money then what is RX590?
If you are not happy with It then just don't buy It or just buy something else or not buy anything, simple as that.

RX 590 mostly looks like a bad value compered to the RX 580 that was already at the 199$ price tag here and here. For 199$, it still has a compelling value.

279$ is not terribad, but nothing spectacular.

FordGT90ConceptToo much money, especially considering the RX 590 which likely competes well with it is priced under $300 with more memory.

RX590 is an admirable card for the time, but let's not forget that it's essentially an overclocked die-shrink of 580 (with similar performance of factory-OC'ed RX580), and that it's gonna end up ~15-20% slower than 1660Ti at nearly double the power draw. That's not worth $20 savings in my books. If anything, RX580 is a more cost-efficient option.

This sucks...I picked the worst time for a new build (started procuring parts mid December '18). As soon as I bought my 2700X Pascal went out of production, and although numerous tech news outlets claimed there was a surplus of pascal stock, 98% of those were 1060s (3GB ones too) and a handful of 1070 ti's. I was aiming for 1080/Vega 64 tier performance, but now any new 1080s out there have an asking price of upwards of $1000, 1080 ti's are about $1500, and even some 1070s are going between $500-$600. There were some sales on Vega 64 that saw it down to $400, but those were refrence modeld and watercooling, at least for the moment wasnt something I wanted to spend $$$ on. Now Im looking at 1080s and Vega 64s on ebay, but Im hesitant because I dont want to get stuck with a lemon, and if you buy 2nd hand, doesnt that exclude the new owner from warranty/RMA coverage? Not to mention that possibility of getting a mining card that's completed numerous "tours of duty". I could buy a 2070 or 2080, but I really dont care about Ray tracing/DLSS at the moment, and I really dont want to reward Nvidia's upgraded level of avarice.

Best deal I can currently find fir a new 1070 ti is $379, but thay doesnt seem that good to me...and a refurbished 1080 for $400....

Anyone have luck with ebay? Can you alleviate my fears with your successful anecdotes?

$280 is not really a compelling purchase when this toned down Turing core has no RT & Tensor Core in it. Also, aftermarket variants will easily hit $300 mark so the RTX2060 makes it an even better purchase. Not putting hate on a supposedly nerfed Turing core but the way Nvidia positioned it (the 1660Ti) just feels odd at best, as a way to "fill the gap". Waiting for TPU & others to review this weird card is going to answer some questions.

silentbogoRX590 is an admirable card for the time, but let's not forget that it's essentially an overclocked die-shrink of 580 (with similar performance of factory-OC'ed RX580), and that it's gonna end up ~15-20% slower than 1660Ti at nearly double the power draw. That's not worth $20 savings in my books. If anything, RX580 is a more cost-efficient option.

RX570 and RX580 are much better value than RX590. The only thing I admire about RX590 is the frequency It can work at.

Tsukiyomi91$280 is not really a compelling purchase when this toned down Turing core has no RT & Tensor Core in it. Also, aftermarket variants will easily hit $300 mark so the RTX2060 makes it an even better purchase. Not putting hate on a supposedly nerfed Turing core but the way Nvidia positioned it (the 1660Ti) just feels odd at best, as a way to "fill the gap". Waiting for TPU & others to review this weird card is going to answer some questions.

It still has Tensor cores as far as I know. It doesn't have RT cores but I don't consider it as a big disadvantage.
Aftermarket variants for RTX2060 also cost more than the basic $349 RTX2060.

Perhaps NVIDIA is planning a slower non-Ti version to replace the GTX 1060 6 GB under the $250-mark.

uh wouldn't a slower 1660 non Ti be only marginally faster than the 3yr old gtx 1060 6gb?
so i guess with Turing a replacement means either very little performance gains at the same msrp or significantly higher msrp for ~30-40% improvement, 1080 vs 2080 & 1080ti vs 2080ti
how much faster is the 1060 6gb than the gtx 960 again or gtx 960 over the 760?

silentbogoRX590 is an admirable card for the time, but let's not forget that it's essentially an overclocked die-shrink of 580 (with similar performance of factory-OC'ed RX580), and that it's gonna end up ~15-20% slower than 1660Ti at nearly double the power draw. That's not worth $20 savings in my books. If anything, RX580 is a more cost-efficient option.

While I agree with you and THANATOS (if the performance of the 1660Ti will reach what you wrote), do not forget you get 3 games worth of $150-180 with an RX590 purchase, while I think you will get ZERO games with the 1660Ti (as it is GTX, not RTX, where you can choose from BFV or Anthem - 2060 and 2070, and get both for 2080 and 2080Ti - though even if you get both games is less than RX590's and Vega"s 3 games). Overall, an RX580 is a better price/performance card even with 1 less game.

B-Realdo not forget you get 3 games worth of $150-180 with an RX590 purchase

3 games is not really a good reason to buy a GPU, especially if only one of those games is worthwhile (technically it was 3 pre-order keys, so you actually got jack shit at the time of purchase).
It's a limited-time offer and by the time 1660Ti rolls out it may not include a single game (Just like Ryzen CPUs/APUs are no longer bundled with anything). According to AMD the offer is valid 'till April 6th(redeemable by early May).

Too expensive especially when you take DMC5 and RE2 into account which come with AMD's cards.

AnarchoPrimitivThis sucks...I picked the worst time for a new build (started procuring parts mid December '18). As soon as I bought my 2700X Pascal went out of production, and although numerous tech news outlets claimed there was a surplus of pascal stock, 98% of those were 1060s (3GB ones too) and a handful of 1070 ti's. I was aiming for 1080/Vega 64 tier performance, but now any new 1080s out there have an asking price of upwards of $1000, 1080 ti's are about $1500, and even some 1070s are going between $500-$600. There were some sales on Vega 64 that saw it down to $400, but those were refrence modeld and watercooling, at least for the moment wasnt something I wanted to spend $$$ on. Now Im looking at 1080s and Vega 64s on ebay, but Im hesitant because I dont want to get stuck with a lemon, and if you buy 2nd hand, doesnt that exclude the new owner from warranty/RMA coverage? Not to mention that possibility of getting a mining card that's completed numerous "tours of duty". I could buy a 2070 or 2080, but I really dont care about Ray tracing/DLSS at the moment, and I really dont want to reward Nvidia's upgraded level of avarice.

Best deal I can currently find fir a new 1070 ti is $379, but thay doesnt seem that good to me...and a refurbished 1080 for $400....

Anyone have luck with ebay? Can you alleviate my fears with your successful anecdotes?

I think you've missed your chances (more than one) with the past gen of cards. Right now, the best buy really is a 2060, as much as I hate to tell you. You can't really be picky anymore.

Just to be clear, this 1660ti will most certainly not be a good buy either. I think it mainly exists to allow Nvidia to push more 2060's with RTX featureset across the counter to increase adoption rates. It is the 2060 that needs to do that, there is nothing else in the entire Turing stack even remotely interesting.

newtekie1Turing with bad RTX cores. It's a smart way to get rid of defective GPU dies.

Hopefully they still have the Tensor cores though, so DLSS will still work with them.

If AMD was doing it, they'd "accidentally" allow the initial models to be unlocked to full versions. Which later gets "fixed" but lasts just long enough to create a frenzy and drive up sales.

bajs11uh wouldn't a slower 1660 non Ti be only marginally faster than the 3yr old gtx 1060 6gb?
so i guess with Turing a replacement means either very little performance gains at the same msrp or significantly higher cfor ~30-40% improvement, 1080 vs 2080 & 1080ti vs 2080ti
how much faster is the 1060 6gb than the gtx 960 again or gtx 960 over the 760?

GTX 1660 should be ~16% faster than GTX 1060. The same difference as is between RTX2060 vs GTX1070.

GTX960($199; 28nm) vs GTX760($210; 28nm)
Performance(FullHD): +10.5% for GTX960

GTX1060($299; 16nm) vs GTX960($170; 28nm)
Performance(FullHD): +89% for GTX1060

RTX2060($349; 12nm) vs GTX1060($210; 16nm)
Performance(FullHD): +56% for GTX2060

Vayra86Just to be clear, this 1660ti will most certainly not be a good buy either. I think it mainly exists to allow Nvidia to push more 2060's with RTX featureset across the counter to increase adoption rates. It is the 2060 that needs to do that, there is nothing else in the entire Turing stack even remotely interesting.

And what is a good buy at this time or in the near future? Nvidia probably won't release anything on 7nm this year. AMD is supposedly planning to release midrange 7nm Navi at the end of 3Q of 2019, but I don't expect miracles from the new architecture although 7nm will help a lot.

GTX1660ti ( MSRP $279: 12nm ,190 tensor cores) vs GTX1060 6gb MSRP $249 16nm
Performance (Full HD): +31% for GTX1660ti costing $30 more

Gtx 1660ti MSRP $279 vs GTX1070 MSRP $380
Performance 1660ti +2% for $100 less

GTX1660ti $279 vs rx590 $270
Performance 1660ti +20% for $10 more

1660ti $279 vs rx 580 $200
Performance 1660ti 30% faster for $80 more or ~30% more money , about the same price performance.

So whats the problem?