Monday, April 15th 2019
MSI Betrays AMD's Socket AM4 Longevity Promise: No Zen2 for 300-series?
Greedy motherboard vendors such as MSI want you to buy a new motherboard every two generations of processor for no sound reason at all. MSI is reportedly blocking support for 3rd generation Ryzen "Matisse" processors on its AMD 300-series chipset motherboards, including those based on high-end AMD X370 and OC-capable B350 chipsets. This would also put those who own $300 motherboards such as the X370 XPower out of luck. To recap, AMD announced on numerous occasions that it doesn't want to be a greedy clique like its competitor, by forcing motherboard upgrades and promised that socket AM4 motherboards will be backwards and forwards compatible with at least four generations of Ryzen processors, running all the way up to 2020.
This normally should mean that any 300-series motherboard must support 4th generation Ryzen processors with a simple BIOS update. Most 300-series motherboards, including from MSI, even ship with USB BIOS Flashback feature to help with forwards compatibility. Unfortunately, motherboard companies such as MSI care more about their bottom-lines than the consumer. In a support e-mail to an X370 XPower Titanium owner, MSI confirmed that it will not extend Zen 2 support to AMD 300-series. Other motherboard vendors could follow MSI's suit as a representative of another motherboard vendor, on condition of anonymity, told TechPowerUp that "Zen 2" processors have steeper electrical requirements that 300-series motherboards don't meet. This is an excuse similar to the one Intel gave for the planned obsolescence of its 100-series and 200-series chipsets, even as it was repeatedly proven that those motherboards can run and overclock 9th generation processors with custom firmware just fine. Would MSI care to explain whether a B450M PRO-M2 has a stronger VRM than an X370 XPower Titanium to warrant "Zen 2" support? Will all "Zen 2" processor SKUs have steep electrical requirements? Will there not be any SKUs with double-digit-Watt TDP ratings?Update (16/04): MSI posted a clarification on this issue.
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This normally should mean that any 300-series motherboard must support 4th generation Ryzen processors with a simple BIOS update. Most 300-series motherboards, including from MSI, even ship with USB BIOS Flashback feature to help with forwards compatibility. Unfortunately, motherboard companies such as MSI care more about their bottom-lines than the consumer. In a support e-mail to an X370 XPower Titanium owner, MSI confirmed that it will not extend Zen 2 support to AMD 300-series. Other motherboard vendors could follow MSI's suit as a representative of another motherboard vendor, on condition of anonymity, told TechPowerUp that "Zen 2" processors have steeper electrical requirements that 300-series motherboards don't meet. This is an excuse similar to the one Intel gave for the planned obsolescence of its 100-series and 200-series chipsets, even as it was repeatedly proven that those motherboards can run and overclock 9th generation processors with custom firmware just fine. Would MSI care to explain whether a B450M PRO-M2 has a stronger VRM than an X370 XPower Titanium to warrant "Zen 2" support? Will all "Zen 2" processor SKUs have steep electrical requirements? Will there not be any SKUs with double-digit-Watt TDP ratings?Update (16/04): MSI posted a clarification on this issue.
335 Comments on MSI Betrays AMD's Socket AM4 Longevity Promise: No Zen2 for 300-series?
I've got an fx8350 with an asus crosshair V formula-z mobo and an very good intel onboard Ethernet chip.
But the onboard ethernet chip has been proven unusable, cause of lack of support for windows 8 and 10.
For years we had this great status quo: Intel changed sockets, mobo makers sold a lot of motherboards.
Now AMD crowd wants to keep their motherboards for longer. But will they be willing to pay more? Because how exactly are companies like MSI going to make money on this?
And this is all happening in a context of OEMs not very keen to invest into AM4 platform. I wonder why...
Any motherboard maker can afford to be Intel-exclusive.
Can AMD afford losing the (AFAIK) 2nd largest DIY mobo manufacturer?
I bought my ASRock X370 Killer SLI just when the first Ryzen CPUs were available. And also equipped it with 64GB of RAM.
It ran flawless from the start, even when media was full of memory incompatibility issues with Ryzen at that time.
Will buy my next board also from that brand.
Support will be for all motherboards with no exceptions.
"AM4 was launched in September 2016 " en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM4
Lets see how long am4 will last.
Seriously... that is what it is like in Intel rumor comment sections. This is just wild speculation - calm down. "Betrays"?!??!!?
I myself will buy a x57 because of pcie4.0 and navi might be linked.
In my book ASUS has the best combination of hardware/software on AM4 second comes MSI , would like to have EVGA as an option but sadly they don't make AM4 .
ASUS and ASRock already make similar products with existing AMD chipsets. I don't see how this could be surprising.
Also, "making" doesn't really equal "selling". ASUS clearly promotes Intel in their products. It's the mainstream CPU brand. AMD is just an alternative for a particular niche.
msi really have established themselves as one of the most pursued brands
but their z390 lineup has been lacking,and now this,so ........ oh well,there's other brands