Monday, April 15th 2019

MSI Betrays AMD's Socket AM4 Longevity Promise: No Zen2 for 300-series?

Greedy motherboard vendors such as MSI want you to buy a new motherboard every two generations of processor for no sound reason at all. MSI is reportedly blocking support for 3rd generation Ryzen "Matisse" processors on its AMD 300-series chipset motherboards, including those based on high-end AMD X370 and OC-capable B350 chipsets. This would also put those who own $300 motherboards such as the X370 XPower out of luck. To recap, AMD announced on numerous occasions that it doesn't want to be a greedy clique like its competitor, by forcing motherboard upgrades and promised that socket AM4 motherboards will be backwards and forwards compatible with at least four generations of Ryzen processors, running all the way up to 2020.

This normally should mean that any 300-series motherboard must support 4th generation Ryzen processors with a simple BIOS update. Most 300-series motherboards, including from MSI, even ship with USB BIOS Flashback feature to help with forwards compatibility. Unfortunately, motherboard companies such as MSI care more about their bottom-lines than the consumer. In a support e-mail to an X370 XPower Titanium owner, MSI confirmed that it will not extend Zen 2 support to AMD 300-series. Other motherboard vendors could follow MSI's suit as a representative of another motherboard vendor, on condition of anonymity, told TechPowerUp that "Zen 2" processors have steeper electrical requirements that 300-series motherboards don't meet. This is an excuse similar to the one Intel gave for the planned obsolescence of its 100-series and 200-series chipsets, even as it was repeatedly proven that those motherboards can run and overclock 9th generation processors with custom firmware just fine. Would MSI care to explain whether a B450M PRO-M2 has a stronger VRM than an X370 XPower Titanium to warrant "Zen 2" support? Will all "Zen 2" processor SKUs have steep electrical requirements? Will there not be any SKUs with double-digit-Watt TDP ratings?

Update (16/04): MSI posted a clarification on this issue.
Source: master3553 (Reddit)
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335 Comments on MSI Betrays AMD's Socket AM4 Longevity Promise: No Zen2 for 300-series?

#101
MeChGanG
One thing about asus and intel on amd..
I've got an fx8350 with an asus crosshair V formula-z mobo and an very good intel onboard Ethernet chip.
But the onboard ethernet chip has been proven unusable, cause of lack of support for windows 8 and 10.
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#102
TheGuruStud
lexluthermiesterFixed that for you.

I really miss ABit, Albatron, DFI and QDI.
DFI lanparty baby! Lasted like 10 yrs OCed. MSI wishes they could last 5.
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#103
king of swag187
Oh? Whats that? The main reason for ryzen is no longer true? Is this... possibly.... AMD copying intel?
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#105
notb
Well.. everyone is attacking MSI. And maybe they'll back down. But what if other motherboard makers do the same?

For years we had this great status quo: Intel changed sockets, mobo makers sold a lot of motherboards.
Now AMD crowd wants to keep their motherboards for longer. But will they be willing to pay more? Because how exactly are companies like MSI going to make money on this?

And this is all happening in a context of OEMs not very keen to invest into AM4 platform. I wonder why...
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#106
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
Saw this coming back when AMD announced they'd "use" AM4 for at least 10 years. I said then, just because they were going to keep using the socket doesn't mean the old motherboards will support the new processors.
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#108
notb
Leonardo Oscar Morellatowell, hope AMD can force them to comply
Or they can show AMD the finger.
Any motherboard maker can afford to be Intel-exclusive.
Can AMD afford losing the (AFAIK) 2nd largest DIY mobo manufacturer?
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#109
Spencer LeBlanc
i smell a lawsuit, where the lawyers get paid out. We get $10 rebates..
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#110
EarthDog
Spencer LeBlanci smell a lawsuit, where the lawyers get paid out. We get $10 rebates..
LOL, I don't.
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#111
slehmann
lynx29This is going to be some bad PR for MSI, that is a shame. Looks like I will roll ASRock for my x570 board.
Good choice.
I bought my ASRock X370 Killer SLI just when the first Ryzen CPUs were available. And also equipped it with 64GB of RAM.
It ran flawless from the start, even when media was full of memory incompatibility issues with Ryzen at that time.
Will buy my next board also from that brand.
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#112
TheGuruStud
notbOr they can show AMD the finger.
Any motherboard maker can afford to be Intel-exclusive.
Can AMD afford losing the (AFAIK) 2nd largest DIY mobo manufacturer?
MSI is a joke. If they disappear everyone else will just sell more. There's nothing must have or special about them.
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#113
moproblems99
king of swag187Oh? Whats that? The main reason for ryzen is no longer true? Is this... possibly.... AMD copying intel?
I suppose that could be true if MSI spells AMD.
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#114
1usmus
AMD Memory Guru
You are now the victims of deception. The man made himself popular on a fictional problem.
Support will be for all motherboards with no exceptions.
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#115
RH92
Agent_DI let my experience speak for me, it's not about hatred, fanboyism or anything else, MSI has poor quality control from my experience and my wallet stopped opening for them.
I respect that , personally i've owned several motherboards from them and all have worked flawlessly and served me well for years so that proves a point , mileage may vary from customer to customer , im sure there are plenty of peoples who like you have had bad luck with them the same way im sure there are MUCH more people for whom like me everything has worked well , that's true for all manufacturers but my point still stands you can't say MSI sells crap products based of your personal experience since you don't become market leader by selling crap products !
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#116
B-Real
Easy solution: buy another manufacturer's motherboard. ASRock may be the best anyway.
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#117
Paganstomp
this topic is getting hotter then the Notre Dame Cathedral....
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#118
Metroid
notbWell.. everyone is attacking MSI. And maybe they'll back down. But what if other motherboard makers do the same?

For years we had this great status quo: Intel changed sockets, mobo makers sold a lot of motherboards.
Now AMD crowd wants to keep their motherboards for longer. But will they be willing to pay more? Because how exactly are companies like MSI going to make money on this?
This is for amd to decide, will amd betray its consumers like intel did? Only time will tell us. Remember that being the underdog is something entirely different to when you are leading it.

"AM4 was launched in September 2016 " en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM4

Lets see how long am4 will last.
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#119
ssdpro
"ASUS and Gigabyte just confirmed they are doing the same. RIP AMD."

Seriously... that is what it is like in Intel rumor comment sections. This is just wild speculation - calm down. "Betrays"?!??!!?
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#120
GoldenX
If it's true I will engage Karen Mode and demand either a B450 or my money back.
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#121
Metroid
If this is bound by manufacture, lets see how asrock behaves, asrock usually is the only one who stands for consumers.

I myself will buy a x57 because of pcie4.0 and navi might be linked.
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#122
TheOne
Can't wait to see how this plays out.
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#123
RH92
B-RealEasy solution: buy another manufacturer's motherboard. ASRock may be the best anyway.
Too many people praise Asrock for no real reason imo . Asrock has good hardware but that's where it ends , their bios on AM4 has been a joke , updates that brake more things than they do fix and take ages to come , abisimal ram compatibility , missing bios options ( on b350 / 450 ) etc etc so yeah what's the point to have good hardware if the software doesn't follow ? Obviously that varies depending your expectations and how hard you pushing your board but yeah ......

In my book ASUS has the best combination of hardware/software on AM4 second comes MSI , would like to have EVGA as an option but sadly they don't make AM4 .
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#124
notb
R0H1TAMD never said anything about 10 years.
Which runs contrary to recent leaks ~ ASUS and ASRock AMD X570 Chipset Motherboards Listed
Yeah... it's always such a huge news when someone launches an AMD product... Or leaks a launch...

ASUS and ASRock already make similar products with existing AMD chipsets. I don't see how this could be surprising.

Also, "making" doesn't really equal "selling". ASUS clearly promotes Intel in their products. It's the mainstream CPU brand. AMD is just an alternative for a particular niche.
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#125
cucker tarlson
on this rare occasion I agree with @TheGuruStud
msi really have established themselves as one of the most pursued brands
but their z390 lineup has been lacking,and now this,so ........ oh well,there's other brands
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