So far, AMD cards have been stronger in Firestrike compared to Nvidia cards and Turing has been comparatively stronger in Timespy.
This result seems to be good news.

I guess AMD's claims of much improved IPC on Navi are true, the fact its outperforming the Vega 64 class cards with a (notionally) lower Tflops count is encouraging, especially for next gen consoles.

RTX 2080 Super for $599 is going to be the card worth buying still I am afraid. only $150 more and it will decimate, not just beat; everything and probably come to stock 2080 ti in some games once oc'd. if you want your card to last a couple years longer, might as well spend $150 more. so eh. but if you upgrade yearly or bi-yearly then yeah I'd say go navi

it's still not worth the $449

londisteSo far, AMD cards have been stronger in Firestrike compared to Nvidia cards and Turing has been comparatively stronger in Timespy.
This result seems to be good news.

It sadly proves that game devs if they wish can shift the best performing GPU arch as they please. AMD or Nvidia.

The Quim ReaperI guess AMD's claims of much improved IPC on Navi are true, the fact its outperforming the Vega 64 class cards with a (notionally) lower Tflops count is encouraging, especially for next gen consoles.

PC World interviewed AMD on their "The Full Nerd" show

The benchmarks AMD is using with Navi are vs Founders Edition variants.

In honor of the old 5870 I really hope they manage to come up with something at the top (that will be named probably like 5800 XT and 5900 XT).

The current card will actually be the tech testing, so other good things will definitely follow.

The Quim ReaperI guess AMD's claims of much improved IPC on Navi are true, the fact its outperforming the Vega 64 class cards with a (notionally) lower Tflops count is encouraging, especially for next gen consoles.

The amount of ROPS was half on what 5700XT has if i'm correct.

3D Mark isn't the most reliable way of testing so I'll wait till the reviews hit to see where the card lands..

BorgOvermindIn honor of the old 5870 I really hope they manage to come up with something at the top (that will be named probably like 5800 XT and 5900 XT).

The current card will actually be the tech testing, so other good things will definitely follow.

Or kind of like what ATI did way back in the day when they released the Radeon 9700 Pro and followed it up a year later with the bigger and better 9800 Pro/XT.

Following this theory, if a 5800 XT comes out next year, it'll hopefully push the 5700 series into a more budget bracket that is currently held by the RX 570/580. I'm quietly anticipating Vega 56 bargains to show up on the second hand market in the mean time.

It will definitely be interesting to see how it develops over the next year or so.

@Xzibit I love The Full Nerd - it's my podcast of choice for when I'm driving to work mid-week. :)

lynx29RTX 2080 Super for $599 is going to be the card worth buying still I am afraid. only $150 more and it will decimate, not just beat; everything and probably come to stock 2080 ti in some games once oc'd. if you want your card to last a couple years longer, might as well spend $150 more. so eh. but if you upgrade yearly or bi-yearly then yeah I'd say go navi

You think NVIDIA is going down from the 2080's msrp of $799 to $599 on the 2080 Super? :laugh:

RahnakYou think NVIDIA is going down from the 2080's msrp of $799 to $599 on the 2080 Super? :laugh:

You think FE MSRP reflects retail MSRP?
www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-Windforce-Graphics-GV-N2080WF3-8GC/dp/B07J5LCQNF/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=RTX+2080&qid=1561714897&s=gateway&sr=8-4

lynx29RTX 2080 Super for $599 is going to be the card worth buying still I am afraid. only $150 more and it will decimate, not just beat; everything and probably come to stock 2080 ti in some games once oc'd. if you want your card to last a couple years longer, might as well spend $150 more. so eh. but if you upgrade yearly or bi-yearly then yeah I'd say go navi

Gimme the drugs you're on to come up that pricing.

The Quim ReaperI guess AMD's claims of much improved IPC on Navi are true.

uhm
better IPC in GPUs isn't always a good thing.

GPUs are way more complex than CPUs and enginners can do trade offs to improve the IPC. you might have heard that recent architectures have had a worsen IPC to improve the frequency...

dj-electricYou think FE MSRP reflects retail MSRP?

That's a 9-ish month old card for $100 less than FE MSRP. Seems reasonable. A brand new 2080 Super for $599 does not.

But if he was talking about a bottom of the barrel partner 2080 Super costing $599 in mid 2020 then yeah, sure, I could see that.

dj-electricYou think FE MSRP reflects retail MSRP?
www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-Windforce-Graphics-GV-N2080WF3-8GC/dp/B07J5LCQNF/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=RTX+2080&qid=1561714897&s=gateway&sr=8-4

Probably not but 200$ difference is absurd don't you think? If anything the MSRP for the 2080 super will be 2080's MSRP at launch. Definitely not less.

ah more of the classic Nvidia moving the goal posts with Super versions and price drops.

dj-electricYou think FE MSRP reflects retail MSRP?
www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-Windforce-Graphics-GV-N2080WF3-8GC/dp/B07J5LCQNF/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=RTX+2080&qid=1561714897&s=gateway&sr=8-4

At best nvidia will put the Super cards at non super MSRPs, so you'll be lucky to get the regular 2080 for $599. Why would nvidia slash prices on their high end when AMD did not even announce anything at that level yet?

RahnakThat's a 9-ish month old card for $100 less than FE MSRP. Seems reasonable. A brand new 2080 Super for $599 does not.

But if he was talking about a bottom of the barrel partner 2080 Super costing $599 in mid 2020 then yeah, sure, I could see that.

it has been a 699$ card for some months now, actually. The 2070 was a 499$ card since the beginning, and a 479$ card for about a month so far.

What we should all worry about is the lack of available 3rd party NAVI cards at launch, since the reference model is uh... yu'll see comes July 7th

jmcostaGPUs are way more complex than CPUs

It's the other way around, GPUs are greatly simplified compared to CPUs, that's how they can put orders of magnitude more execution units.

dj-electricit has been a 699$ card for some months now, actually. The 2070 was a 499$ card since the beginning, and a 479$ card for about a month so far.

I actually tried looking up the price of the Windforce model at launch but I didn't find it. Regardless, I think it's somewhat safe to expect the new 2080 Super FE is going to come out at the previous 2080's MSRP, based on the available leaks. They really have no competition at this level, so "aggressive" pricing is not necessary.

dj-electricWhat we should all worry about is the lack of available 3rd party NAVI cards at launch, since the reference model is uh... yu'll see comes July 7th

You mean a blower style? I'm aware. I listened to that Full Nerd AMD special on my way to work today and they explained why they went with blower style over an axial fan design (tldr: they said they can guarantee their numbers with a blower, even if the user has a terrible cooled case, whereas an axial fan design could struggle. They are relying on partners to bring the kick-ass designs).
3rd party cards shouldn't be too far off, there's already an Asus leak, at least.

EDIT: Just read on wccftech (some salt needed?) the MSRP for the 2080 Super is going to be $699 so it seems I was wrong there (also $499 for the 2070 and $399 for the 2060).

londisteSo far, AMD cards have been stronger in Firestrike compared to Nvidia cards and Turing has been comparatively stronger in Timespy.
This result seems to be good news.

I was about to comment the same thing when I saw your post. However, if we compare real-world gaming performance to the results on 3DMark, we can see that AMD results are slightly higher in 3DMark than they end up being in real-world games. My guess is that this will results in AMD's 5700XT slightly trailing the RTX 2070.

So... rx5700 competes with 2060, rx5700xt with 2070... then i hope higher-end navi will be competition to 2080 and 2080ti.

this isn't enough. Real world benching is needed to see if the $450 price tag is justifiable or not.

JismThe amount of ROPS was half on what 5700XT has if i'm correct.

Both Vega 64 and the 5700/5700XT have 64 ROPs