Monday, October 14th 2019
Intel Scraps 10nm for Desktop, Brazen it Out with 14nm Skylake Till 2022?
In a shocking piece of news, Intel has reportedly scrapped plans to launch its 10 nm "Ice Lake" microarchitecture on the client desktop platform. The company will confine its 10 nm microarchitectures, "Ice Lake" and "Tiger Lake" to only the mobile platform, while the desktop platform will see derivatives of "Skylake" hold Intel's fort under the year 2022! Intel gambles that with HyperThreading enabled across the board and increased clock-speeds, it can restore competitiveness with AMD's 7 nm "Zen 2" Ryzen processors with its "Comet Lake" silicon that offers core-counts of up to 10.
"Comet Lake" will be succeeded in 2021 by the 14 nm "Rocket Lake" silicon, which somehow combines a Gen12 iGPU with "Skylake" derived CPU cores, and possibly increased core-counts and clock speeds over "Comet Lake." It's only 2022 that Intel will ship out a truly new microarchitecture on the desktop platform, with "Meteor Lake." This chip will be built on Intel's swanky 7 nm EUV silicon fabrication node, and possibly integrate CPU cores more advanced than even "Willow Cove," possibly "Golden Cove."
The HardwareLuxx article making these explosive revelations attributes the sudden change in Intel's plans to the company not being able to scale clock-speeds of "Ice Lake" high enough to establish product leadership. It feels "Skylake," which has IPC parity with "Zen 2," has enough scalability and clock-speed headroom to stay competitive with AMD at high clock-speeds. The company will augment next-generation uncore (revamped memory controllers, support for PCIe gen 4.0, Gen12 iGPU, etc.), with "Skylake" CPU cores, over time. Other areas where Intel could grow its mainstream desktop silicon is cache rebalancing similar to its HEDT chips, and implementing the Mesh Interconnect to maintain low latencies as core-counts enter two-figures.
Interestingly, 10 nm "Ice Lake" remains on Intel's enterprise roadmap, where the company appears more desperate not to cede market-share to AMD, especially as businesses around the world set their 5G plans rolling, springing a cycle of hardware updates in the data-center. 2020 could see the introduction of Xeon Scalable processors based on 10 nm "Ice Lake" microarchitecture with "Sunny Cove" CPU cores. In 2021, the company will introduce the "Sapphire Rapids" Xeon processor with even more cores and larger I/O connectivity, spearheaded with PCI-Express gen 5.0.
Update Oct 15th: Intel has released a statement, denying these claims, read more here.
Source:
HardwareLuxx.de
"Comet Lake" will be succeeded in 2021 by the 14 nm "Rocket Lake" silicon, which somehow combines a Gen12 iGPU with "Skylake" derived CPU cores, and possibly increased core-counts and clock speeds over "Comet Lake." It's only 2022 that Intel will ship out a truly new microarchitecture on the desktop platform, with "Meteor Lake." This chip will be built on Intel's swanky 7 nm EUV silicon fabrication node, and possibly integrate CPU cores more advanced than even "Willow Cove," possibly "Golden Cove."
Interestingly, 10 nm "Ice Lake" remains on Intel's enterprise roadmap, where the company appears more desperate not to cede market-share to AMD, especially as businesses around the world set their 5G plans rolling, springing a cycle of hardware updates in the data-center. 2020 could see the introduction of Xeon Scalable processors based on 10 nm "Ice Lake" microarchitecture with "Sunny Cove" CPU cores. In 2021, the company will introduce the "Sapphire Rapids" Xeon processor with even more cores and larger I/O connectivity, spearheaded with PCI-Express gen 5.0.
Update Oct 15th: Intel has released a statement, denying these claims, read more here.
148 Comments on Intel Scraps 10nm for Desktop, Brazen it Out with 14nm Skylake Till 2022?
You asked why, I told you and there's really nothing more to it.
Secondly.... Cinebench is NOT the TELL ALL of computing power lol.
So we are comparing it to Intel? My 2700X unzips much faster than my 8700K. But don't tell anyone I know that bit of information.
As for Bulldozer, there's history as to why AMD went that route. Bulldozer was OK, Piledriver squeezed out a lot more performance and efficiencies and gave AMD just enough of a push to remain somewhat competitive till its superior ZEN micro- architecture was ready for release. Sure Bulldozer was OK, but I wouldn't call it awful per say.
Please keep up the good work.
That's why Intel hired Jim Keller (Designer of ZEN) because according to you Zen is garbage lmao.
Competition is great, that's what drives Innovation. By saying Zen is garbage, you are against fair competition and innovation.
Interesting,He's angry because ZEN is very successful. I would think that's a good thing ya know? Lol
Tremontx(TannerRidge) > Zen
Willowcove(Tigerlake-S) > Zen2/3
To each there own I suppose.
1. Tactically it failed to compete with Intel cores. --Skylake is better than Zen, then there is the ultra-wide cores(Willowcove/Goldencove) simply breaking Zen2/Zen3's back.
2. Strategically it fails to compete with ARM cores. --Neoverse has more cores, more IPC, and lower power.
3. It isn't innovative or competitive. --Only innovation has been outside of AMD. They tried to do SMT2 before and it failed, they tried to SMT2 now and it also failed.
4. It is followed up by a list of failures from the foundries it was built at. -- TSMC is lack of performance, GlobalFoundries is lack of capacity.
5. The architecture is already dead with a new Family of cores replacing it. -- Another ARM core turned into an x86-SMTx core... *sigh* GARBAGE!
AMD was simply the first to launch x86 64-bit specification for consumer CPUs. This specification became the standard.
2. Arm and x86 cover two different areas, if arm was a better chip I'm sure don't and Microsoft would be doing the next generation consoles on it, but they aren't because arm can't reach the same performance as x86 without going large and power hungry.
3. Innovation is what infinity fabric actually is, it's even being adopted by Intel.
4. To label tsmc and global foundries failures is the most moronic statement I have ever read. Your statement implys that everyone but samsung and apple that make microchips are clueless.
5. It is far from dead, it's now faster per clock than anything Intel has outside of games. Workstation and server loads are faster on zen2 than on Intel's parts.
Your entire post reminds me of the garbage I used to read when people defended the Pentium D or Pentium 4.When it comes to x86 there is a reason they call it AMD64 even on Intel chips, it's because Intel hadn't started on a 64bit x86 chip, they put all of their resources into the failed itanium design.
What you had in mind are results of conscious choices. ARM is mostly made with mobile devices in mind, so the cores are optimized for this scenario.
But it is possible to make "big" ARM CPUs and we'll see them fairly soon
Similarly, it is possible to make "mobile" (small, frugal) x86 CPUs (like Intel Atom lineup).Adopted? What? :eek:Your entire post is a perfect example of what fanboyism can do with - I assume - fairly normal person. You've been here for a long time, so I bet you used to write a lot more balanced posts about CPUs before Zen came out.
Why so much hate? What's your problem?Well I just said that AMD was first with a consumer standard. But that doesn't mean they invented 64-bit :)
And Itanium was far from "failed". It worked perfectly fine, but Intel switched to the common standard that already got a lot of traction.
Otherwise we would have multiple instruction standard for x86 and huge compatibility issues.
And all you can come up with is "Intel stagnated since Sandy Bridge"...
It seems you aren't really interested in discussing anything.
Haswell delivered up to 8%, average perfomance gain was something around 5%.
Skylake was something similar like Haswell.
So pretty much, you have no clue what you are talking about.
Seems my point is valid
My gains, which I mentioned, are compared clock to clock.