Monday, October 14th 2019
Intel Scraps 10nm for Desktop, Brazen it Out with 14nm Skylake Till 2022?
In a shocking piece of news, Intel has reportedly scrapped plans to launch its 10 nm "Ice Lake" microarchitecture on the client desktop platform. The company will confine its 10 nm microarchitectures, "Ice Lake" and "Tiger Lake" to only the mobile platform, while the desktop platform will see derivatives of "Skylake" hold Intel's fort under the year 2022! Intel gambles that with HyperThreading enabled across the board and increased clock-speeds, it can restore competitiveness with AMD's 7 nm "Zen 2" Ryzen processors with its "Comet Lake" silicon that offers core-counts of up to 10.
"Comet Lake" will be succeeded in 2021 by the 14 nm "Rocket Lake" silicon, which somehow combines a Gen12 iGPU with "Skylake" derived CPU cores, and possibly increased core-counts and clock speeds over "Comet Lake." It's only 2022 that Intel will ship out a truly new microarchitecture on the desktop platform, with "Meteor Lake." This chip will be built on Intel's swanky 7 nm EUV silicon fabrication node, and possibly integrate CPU cores more advanced than even "Willow Cove," possibly "Golden Cove."
The HardwareLuxx article making these explosive revelations attributes the sudden change in Intel's plans to the company not being able to scale clock-speeds of "Ice Lake" high enough to establish product leadership. It feels "Skylake," which has IPC parity with "Zen 2," has enough scalability and clock-speed headroom to stay competitive with AMD at high clock-speeds. The company will augment next-generation uncore (revamped memory controllers, support for PCIe gen 4.0, Gen12 iGPU, etc.), with "Skylake" CPU cores, over time. Other areas where Intel could grow its mainstream desktop silicon is cache rebalancing similar to its HEDT chips, and implementing the Mesh Interconnect to maintain low latencies as core-counts enter two-figures.
Interestingly, 10 nm "Ice Lake" remains on Intel's enterprise roadmap, where the company appears more desperate not to cede market-share to AMD, especially as businesses around the world set their 5G plans rolling, springing a cycle of hardware updates in the data-center. 2020 could see the introduction of Xeon Scalable processors based on 10 nm "Ice Lake" microarchitecture with "Sunny Cove" CPU cores. In 2021, the company will introduce the "Sapphire Rapids" Xeon processor with even more cores and larger I/O connectivity, spearheaded with PCI-Express gen 5.0.
Update Oct 15th: Intel has released a statement, denying these claims, read more here.
Source:
HardwareLuxx.de
"Comet Lake" will be succeeded in 2021 by the 14 nm "Rocket Lake" silicon, which somehow combines a Gen12 iGPU with "Skylake" derived CPU cores, and possibly increased core-counts and clock speeds over "Comet Lake." It's only 2022 that Intel will ship out a truly new microarchitecture on the desktop platform, with "Meteor Lake." This chip will be built on Intel's swanky 7 nm EUV silicon fabrication node, and possibly integrate CPU cores more advanced than even "Willow Cove," possibly "Golden Cove."
Interestingly, 10 nm "Ice Lake" remains on Intel's enterprise roadmap, where the company appears more desperate not to cede market-share to AMD, especially as businesses around the world set their 5G plans rolling, springing a cycle of hardware updates in the data-center. 2020 could see the introduction of Xeon Scalable processors based on 10 nm "Ice Lake" microarchitecture with "Sunny Cove" CPU cores. In 2021, the company will introduce the "Sapphire Rapids" Xeon processor with even more cores and larger I/O connectivity, spearheaded with PCI-Express gen 5.0.
Update Oct 15th: Intel has released a statement, denying these claims, read more here.
148 Comments on Intel Scraps 10nm for Desktop, Brazen it Out with 14nm Skylake Till 2022?
Though at this point I am not confident this isn't nonsense since so many of intels timelines have been fantastical products of pr.
Unless they have something akin to AMD's chiplets they are going to need a hell of an asspull to get anything remotely competitive. The more you look into it the bleaker it gets.
I would be very wary to be an Intel shareholder at this point. This 10 nm boondoggle was a decade-long conspiracy of lies and "technically" meeting public commitments. I don't know it there's any possibility of 7 nm news being taken seriously from Intel until they actually show us the goods. Intel squandered a nearly five year fab advantage and I doubt they'll ever have that chance again. No wonder they snapped up Jim Keller, at this point even their IP is out of date. All that's left is inertia and cash. Let's just hope Intel avoids bankruptcy so AMD doesn't turn into the monster they're in the process of slaying.
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I know you are a fanboy, but even through your red colored glasses you should be able to see that 10nm isn't "dead."
Intel's going PCIe 5 starting with the Sapphire Rapids Platform.
www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-server-platform-going-for-socket-lga4677-with-pcie-5-and-ddr5-memory.html
Yes yes let's not go there, I can show you the ever changing roadmaps of Intel with 10nm projected release date about 3 (4?) years back? Anyone thinking server chips on 10nm will just fly off the fabs need to have a good hard look at what Intel has achieved on 10nm thus far, real hard look & that's with a less aggressive 10nm node than what was originally planned :shadedshu:
A page or so back we had lots of posts about AM4 and Zen 3 and how it would or wouldn't happen, but we know for sure it'll happen on A socket. With Intel right now, we have not even a remote clue what an Ice Lake enterprise part even looks like. All we really know is that they have something that's not entirely shit for a laptop. Well yay, they can make a quad core on 10nm... :p
And here's the funniest part. Look at the TDP increase they need to not have an utterly abysmal (Atom comes to mind) baseclock and include turbo beyond 4 Ghz.
In other words, this scales like shit. A many core enterprise part will easily surpass 200W and for what? 2.3 base? teehee
But let's try to find some products then.... :) @notb you will love this, too
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When can I buy Intel's 10th Gen Core CPUs?
Intel hasn't provided a timeline for when its 10th Gen Core chips will be available to buy on their own yet. However, we expect the first batch of laptops to be available with these new processors soon.
Intel says it expects around 35 laptop designs from various manufacturers to debut throughout the rest of 2019. We expect to see an influx of new and refreshed laptops sporting these chips in the holiday season.
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Aha! OK. China. But that 2.3 Ghz part... hmmm
Anything else? I clicked DuckDuckGo 'more results' about 10 times, this XPS product is all I could find...
www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/new-xps-13-2-in-1-laptop/spd/xps-13-7390-2-in-1-laptop
Painful, I say. The best part they can make apparently is the 1.3 Ghz one. We're close to 2020 already. Only 34 laptop models to be released :DYou mean laptop, singular not plural? :pCome again?If AMD doubles they'll have 100% growth in share... right?
Time will tell, let's see if Fiat Multipla clouded with billions of dollar can run another year :D