Thursday, November 28th 2019
Intel "Rocket Lake-S" Desktop Processor Comes in Core Counts Up to 8, Gen12 iGPU Included
Intel's 11th generation Core "Rocket Lake-S" desktop processor will come in core-counts only up to 8, even as its predecessor, "Comet Lake-S," goes up to 10. Platform descriptors for Intel's next four microarchitectures surfaced on the web, detailing maximum values of their "S" (mainsteam desktop), "H" (mainstream notebook), "U" (ultrabook), and "Y" (low power portable) flavors. Both "Comet Lake-S" and "Rocket Lake-S" are 14 nm chips. "Comet Lake-S" comes with core counts of up to 10, a TDP of up to 125 Watts, Gen 9LP iGPU with 48 execution units, and native support for up to 128 GB of DDR4-2667.
The "Rocket Lake-S" silicon is interesting. Rumored to be yet another derivative of "Skylake," it features up to 8 CPU cores, the same 125 W maximum TDP, but swanky Gen12 iGPU with 32 execution units. The memory controller is also upgraded, which supports DDR4-2933 natively. There is no "Ice Lake-H" or "Ice Lake-S" in sight (no mainstream notebook or mainstream desktop implementations), ditto "Tiger Lake." For the foreseeable future, Intel will only make quad-core designs of the two 10 nm microarchitectures. "Rocket Lake-S" is slated for 2021 when, hopefully, we'll see Intel escape the 14 nm black hole.
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The "Rocket Lake-S" silicon is interesting. Rumored to be yet another derivative of "Skylake," it features up to 8 CPU cores, the same 125 W maximum TDP, but swanky Gen12 iGPU with 32 execution units. The memory controller is also upgraded, which supports DDR4-2933 natively. There is no "Ice Lake-H" or "Ice Lake-S" in sight (no mainstream notebook or mainstream desktop implementations), ditto "Tiger Lake." For the foreseeable future, Intel will only make quad-core designs of the two 10 nm microarchitectures. "Rocket Lake-S" is slated for 2021 when, hopefully, we'll see Intel escape the 14 nm black hole.
41 Comments on Intel "Rocket Lake-S" Desktop Processor Comes in Core Counts Up to 8, Gen12 iGPU Included
10nm was supposed to be ready in like 2016 or something.Right now, yes, but that's beside the point.What I want is irrelevant for what's going to happen, I don't believe I have the power to impact Intel's decisions.
I'm just citing the facts; Intel have said 10nm desktop is on the roadmap, and they have added driver support for 10nm Tiger Lake parts, clear evidence of them intending to release something, they don't do this just for fun. But it remains to see when they will ship, and in which quantities. And those are the facts, not my opinions.There is no problem with 14nm supply, just that demand is strong. Intel is making more than ever.
If you read my previous posts carefully you'd see that I'm not concerned whether Intel can make the desktop CPUs on 10nm, but the quantity of such chips. Both laptop chips and OEM desktop chips requires very high volumes compared to what AMD is shipping, which poses a challenge for Intel when moving to a new node. With 10nm+ arriving in 2020 we will see a larger selection of 10nm based products, but I don't expect a full lineup. 10nm++ in 2021 will expand the volume further at the same time as the first 7nm products arrive.
14nm+++ is an obvious exaggeration just like 14nm ++++++ and so on. I can't see 10nm desktop Intel CPUs counter AMD's Ryzen but lets hope for the best.
I remember not long ago, when Ryzen CPUs came out and people were saying supply problem, bad management, oh what other stuff there was. When I mentioned market demands I was quickly shot down, it is not the demands but AMD's production problem. Yet with Intel is always demand right although Intel is losing shares so how does the demand look for Intel now? It was an extensive conversation and I'm sure you participated in that as well. I guess winds have changed again.
"On average 18% increase in IPC in comparison to 2015 Skylake "
"willow Cove is forecasted to be up to 30% increase clock for clock compare to Sunny Cove."
Either way, any -lake CPU remains uninteresting to me. If I'm not mistaken, Sunny Cove is supposed to be the next big thing? New architecture, hopefully with improved performance and none of these nasty security bugs. We had a good run, but the lake is dried up.
Willow Cove will feature a cache redesign, but I was under the impression that it was a "smaller" upgrade over Sunny Cove. Golden Cove is expected to be the next jump in single threaded performance.Not sure if I'm reading you correctly, but Ice Lake(Sunny Cove) were originally targeted for 2017(!) and Sapphire Rapids(Golden Cove) for 2019/2020, and both of these have been in development for over five years. Also, Cannon Lake, the failed 10nm port of Skylake, did have some smaller improvements to the design, improvements which are carried over to Sunny Cove of course. While some may claim that Intel have been holding back, but there is no substance to that claim. That's not to say that more competition wouldn't have motivated Intel further.
I think the big difference is that Zen has spawned attention around the term "IPC" (though often incorrectly applied), which is now practically in almost every CPU discussion, but were largely absent five years ago.
10nm is not happening and the improvements that you are mentioning maybe are there but these are marginal. There should be 3 gen Intel not 10th. Some people here say 2 gen considering performance uplift. I wish Intel the best but I can see and start to realize it is not happening. I will believe it when I see it and as of now all you can be sure off is delay.
Maybe Intel should call it quits and just focus on its 14nm++++ stopping this embarrassment and promises Intel can't keep, brainwashing young people with its attitude and bogus fairy-tales about one of a kind processor that is just around the corner.
I remember hype about AMD CPUs at least these were justified. this 10th gen from Intel is a joke simply put. A joke that some people say here Intel's been nurturing, developing to get AMD? If that's Intel's 5-4 year work then maybe it would have been better for Intel to focus on something else.
phfishing hence all these lakes :shadedshu: