No Gene?

The SATA port layout on the Apex is something quite unique...
May 13th is apparently the date to look forward to these over priced boards.

Let's see a mini ITX variant.

We already talked about that these CPU's are power hungry and considering the beefy VRM's that means its true.

But im curious to see benchmarks, power draw and in-games performance.

TheLostSwedeThe SATA port layout on the Apex is something quite unique...
May 13th is apparently the date to look forward to these over priced boards.

correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see any benefit to those 45 degree angles...

If motherboard makers are placing so much faith in Comet Lake to build such elaborate and expensive boards, it's quite likely that the 10900K beats the 3900X.

btarunrIf motherboard makers are placing so much faith in Comet Lake to build such elaborate and expensive boards, it's quite likely that the 10900K beats the 3900X.

Or... that its just a "New Intel generation", with plenty of marketing and potential customers, since its a "New Intel generation" and many potential customers will just keep buying what they are familiar with for many years.

Just a thought tho :)

If these boards are made in Taiwan I would pay some premium for sure.but mid range boards going for 400? I would rather wait as they will have to bring the prices way down in couple of months as spending power will be less.

Flankercorrect me if I'm wrong, but I don't see any benefit to those 45 degree angles...

Neither do I. It actually looks like it'll make things harder.

That Apex 12 is So Dope! :p Best Apex EVER! VRM power stages on 3-sides of the LGA1200 socket just like we hoped. Three Sides Live, baby! :D

IF only the Apex was at least a partial E-ATX form factor, geez.

And Asus didn't even extend the Apex PCIe aesthetic cover to make it fully complete. Even the Hero board got more love, not fair. :ohwell:

Oh well, looks like I'll NEVER get my 2-dimm ROG EATX Superboard.

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Hello EVGA? When will that Z490 Dark be ready? :)

btarunrIf motherboard makers are placing so much faith in Comet Lake to build such elaborate and expensive boards, it's quite likely that the 10900K beats the 3900X.

Heavily overclocked 10-core part with 125-watt+ - 200-watt power draw vs a 105-watt 12-core. The 12-core is not even the highest-end offering from AMD - it's the 16-core Ryzen 9 3950X.

dj-electricOr... that its just a "New Intel generation", with plenty of marketing and potential customers, since its a "New Intel generation" and many potential customers will just keep buying what they are familiar with for many years.

Just a thought tho :)

With around 10% sales share at sites like Mindfactory DE.

This slide below: Apex 12 capable of running 5000Mhz ddr4 dimms? New Trident Z kits launching soon?

Had heard the CML IMC had been improved over Coffee Lake Refresh, was really hoping for 5200Mhz, oh well. :ohwell:

ARFWith around 10% sales share at sites like Mindfactory DE.

Last time i checked, the AMD-ad and promotion centric Mindfactory DE store does not represent global CPU sales, especially not where it counts (prebuilds and OEM), it hardware news outlets sure love making it seem so.

Personal thoughts and conclusions from what I'm seeing here.
Mind you it's just that and no more.

The Apex out of all shown is the top OC'ing model, meant for breaking records and just running all-out at subzero temps.

The Formula and Extreme models aren't slouches either but both being more suited as being for a gaming rig with watercooling combined with all the features they have.

I'd have to say the Extreme is meant for those that want both, gaming and high OC'ing capability with the Formula being more of a Cadillac type of board - All the nice features with some power but just not towards the extreme end like an Apex itself is meant to be.

The Hero itself being the more modest, budget gaming board in the lineup but still more than capable in it's own right, just don't go expecting to break any records with it.

BonesPersonal thoughts and conclusions from what I'm seeing here.
Mind you it's just that and no more.

The Apex out of all shown is the top OC'ing model, meant for breaking records and just running all-out at subzero temps.

The Formula and Extreme models aren't slouches either but both being more suited as being for a gaming rig with watercooling combined with all the features they have.

I'd have to say the Extreme is meant for those that want both, gaming and high OC'ing capability with the Formula being more of a Cadillac type of board - All the nice features with some power but just not towards the extreme end like an Apex itself is meant to be.

The Hero itself being the more modest, budget gaming board in the lineup but still more than capable in it's own right, just don't go expecting to break any records with it.

Yes, but from what we know currently the Apex 12 board only differentiates itself by ddr4 memory overclocking capability. (and some questionably-cool SATA ports) :)

The VRM CPU power delivery seems to be the same on Apex, Extreme, and Formula.

Still, the VRM power looks amazing on all ROG Maximus boards this series. Setting up a very sweet trend for Rocket and Alder. :)

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Have a strong feeling when Asus ROG designed these boards, they had no idea Comet Lake's lifespan would later become so abbreviated by Intel management.

Motherboard makes most likely extremely pissed off.

If Rocket Lake arrives 4months to 6months after the Comet Lake official release.

Just a thought. And if true, Rocket Lake ROG Maximus 13 Series boards probably won't see much design change at all.

TurmaniaIf these boards are made in Taiwan I would pay some premium for sure.but mid range boards going for 400? I would rather wait as they will have to bring the prices way down in couple of months as spending power will be less.

If I have to guess, most ASUS products are made by Pegatron's facility in Shanghai

dj-electricLast time i checked, the AMD-ad and promotion centric Mindfactory DE store does not represent global CPU sales, especially not where it counts (prebuilds and OEM), it hardware news outlets sure love making it seem so.

Don't be confused. People are already wakening for the much faster, more energy efficient, cheaper and more feature rich AMD platforms.
It's the same everywhere - Amazon, Ebay, Newegg, Mindfactory, even the tech news sites polls:


wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-10700k-8-core-core-i5-10600k-6-core-cpu-benchmarks-leak/

The first rule of sampling reasonable market share is not ask the enthuseists for their heavily influenced and informed opinions.

These expensive ROG boards will be bought mostly by enthusiasts probably.

RuykiThese expensive ROG boards will be bought mostly by enthusiasts probably.

In all probability. :laugh:

E-curbiYes, but from what we know currently the Apex 12 board only differentiates itself by ddr4 memory overclocking capability. (and some questionably-cool SATA ports) :)

The VRM CPU power delivery seems to be the same on Apex, Extreme, and Formula.

Still, the VRM power looks amazing on all ROG Maximus boards this series. Setting up a very sweet trend for Rocket and Alder. :)

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Have a strong feeling when Asus ROG designed these boards, they had no idea Comet Lake's lifespan would later become so abbreviated by Intel management.

Motherboard makes most likely extremely pissed off.

If Rocket Lake arrives 4months to 6months after the Comet Lake official release.

Just a thought. And if true, Rocket Lake ROG Maximus 13 Series boards probably won't see much design change at all.

The biggest differences aside from it having just two RAM slots would be in the BIOS, it would be missing some of the features the Extreme and Formula would have making it a lean-n-mean to the purpose piece of hardware.
The options in the BIOS would probrably be more extensive such as a higher CPU voltage would be possible vs what the others could give.
I can promise you RAM options would be at least as good if not better than the Extreme and could have the highest potential RAM OC'ing range of any model.

Simply put, the Apex is a weapon vs the rest and that's not limited to just the Asus lineup.

In for an Apex (unless there is a Gene or Impact)!

Looking for Mobo deal at the computer show this past weekend the boys from Varanasi told me that Z490 buyers have been experiencing unsolvable problems in getting their LAN to work. ASUS cannot help and is basically all talk. Not even a new BIOS update, driver hotfixes and new cables will help. Even INTEL updated drivers are not working. It appears that there are problems with the I225-V (LAN Chip) and Asus want to keep this issue hushed. Simply this being a hardware problem and no software or driver updates can permanently fix it. What has been done to date is only bandaging the problem. Many new Mobo purchaser's in frustration (disconnected their onboard NIC) and installed a new PCIE NIC and gotten it to work without a hitch! But its another $50 or so out of pocket to simply forego the downtime, hanging on the telephone and difficult RMA's. Will the new Z590 Mobo's in early 2021 get a new NIC chip? Anyway, the best advice is probably to stay away from purchasing any (2020) Z490 leftover boards using the embedded I225-V Ethernet controller and buy in a few weeks time a Z590 MOBO if INTEL is ones choice. Any Thoughts?

Tom SundayLooking for Mobo deal at the computer show this past weekend the boys from Varanasi told me that Z490 buyers have been experiencing unsolvable problems in getting their LAN to work. ASUS cannot help and is basically all talk. Not even a new BIOS update, driver hotfixes and new cables will help. Even INTEL updated drivers are not working. It appears that there are problems with the I225-V (LAN Chip) and Asus want to keep this issue hushed. Simply this being a hardware problem and no software or driver updates can permanently fix it. What has been done to date is only bandaging the problem. Many new Mobo purchaser's in frustration (disconnected their onboard NIC) and installed a new PCIE NIC and gotten it to work without a hitch! But its another $50 or so out of pocket to simply forego the downtime, hanging on the telephone and difficult RMA's. Will the new Z590 Mobo's in early 2021 get a new NIC chip? Anyway, the best advice is probably to stay away from purchasing any (2020) Z490 leftover boards using the embedded I225-V Ethernet controller and buy in a few weeks time a Z590 MOBO if INTEL is ones choice. Any Thoughts?

How many times are you going to post this same thing in a random thread, bud? :)

Tom SundayLooking for Mobo deal at the computer show this past weekend the boys from Varanasi told me that Z490 buyers have been experiencing unsolvable problems in getting their LAN to work. ASUS cannot help and is basically all talk. Not even a new BIOS update, driver hotfixes and new cables will help. Even INTEL updated drivers are not working. It appears that there are problems with the I225-V (LAN Chip) and Asus want to keep this issue hushed. Simply this being a hardware problem and no software or driver updates can permanently fix it. What has been done to date is only bandaging the problem. Many new Mobo purchaser's in frustration (disconnected their onboard NIC) and installed a new PCIE NIC and gotten it to work without a hitch! But its another $50 or so out of pocket to simply forego the downtime, hanging on the telephone and difficult RMA's. Will the new Z590 Mobo's in early 2021 get a new NIC chip? Anyway, the best advice is probably to stay away from purchasing any (2020) Z490 leftover boards using the embedded I225-V Ethernet controller and buy in a few weeks time a Z590 MOBO if INTEL is ones choice. Any Thoughts?

Your living in the past, that controller issue was solved with the second iteration on that board.
Don't take technical advice from a salesman.

Caring1Your living in the past, that controller issue was solved with the second iteration on that board.
Don't take technical advice from a salesman.

Yes that is good news and this was not communicated to me. I assume that ASUS by now has dillegently pulled all of the 'first defective iteration boards' off the market including those sitting in warehouses and on third party dealer shelves. Now I am still looking for being assured by Amazon, BH, Newegg and others in their ads that all their remaining Asus boards are in fact of the second iteration. No luck so far. But what do I know?

EarthDogHow many times are you going to post this same thing in a random thread, bud? :)

Your steady posting contribution here and commitment since 2009 is to be admired. You being at a cool 19,300 messages is most certainly a number to catch-up on. Unfortunately I am too late to the party to ever reach your status and prominence. As to the double post it was just 'one wrong' casual click too many at a late night. I am retired on easy street with nothing to do, but mistakes of this kind will probably not go away as I grow older and more grumpy and keep on posting all over world.

Caring1Your living in the past, that controller issue was solved with the second iteration on that board.
Don't take technical advice from a salesman.

Amazon Comments and Reviews: Mr. P. Rize who took possession from Amazon of his new ASUS ROG Maximus XII Hero Z490 on October 22, 2020 advised that he experienced unsolvable problems with the Ethernet ports. Additionally Mr. Krave from Canada also a purchaser of the 'Hero' by December 9, 2020 from Amazon reported the same issues. My take away from this is that ASUS has not replaced all of their unsold mobo units (pulling them off the shelves) and Amazon along with their third party friends are still selling the defective first iteration. I am an old retired guy and surely living in the past more than ever, but when it comes to money and headaches it's easy to do. For me right now not much of choice prevails and to buy a new Z590 mobo coming to this theater in a few weeks time and hoping that this will fix the problem once and for all.