Sunday, May 24th 2020
Possible 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen "Matisse Refresh" XT SKU Clock Speeds Surface
Last week, we brought you reports of AMD inching closer to launch its 3rd generation Ryzen "Matisse Refresh" processor lineup to ward off the 10th gen Intel Core "Comet Lake" threat, by giving the "Zen 2" chips possible clock speed-bumps to shore up performance. The lineup included the Ryzen 9 3900XT, the Ryzen 7 3800XT, and the Ryzen 5 3600XT. We now have a first-look at their alleged clock speeds courtesy of an anonymous tipster on ChipHell forums, seconded by HXL @9550pro.
The XT SKUs indeed revolve around 200-300 MHz increments in base- and boost clock speeds as many of our readers predicted in the "Matisse Refresh" article's comments section. The 3900XT comes with 4.10 GHz base clock, and 4.80 GHz max boost clocks, compared to 3.80 GHz base and 4.60 GHz boost clocks of the 3900X. Likewise, the 3800XT notches up to 4.20 GHz base clock (highest in the lineup), and 4.70 GHz max boost, compared to 3.90-4.50 GHz of the 3800X. The 3600XT offers the same 4.70 GHz max boost, a step up from the 4.40 GHz of the 3600X, but has its base clock set at 4.00 GHz, compared to 3.80 GHz on the 3600X. It appears like AMD's design focus is to reduce, if not beat, Intel's gaming performance lead. The 10th generation Core "Comet Lake" tops gaming performance by a mid-high single-digit percentages over AMD's offerings, and AMD could bring them down to low single-digit percentages with the XT family.
Sources:
ChipHell forums, HXL aka 9550pro (Twitter)
The XT SKUs indeed revolve around 200-300 MHz increments in base- and boost clock speeds as many of our readers predicted in the "Matisse Refresh" article's comments section. The 3900XT comes with 4.10 GHz base clock, and 4.80 GHz max boost clocks, compared to 3.80 GHz base and 4.60 GHz boost clocks of the 3900X. Likewise, the 3800XT notches up to 4.20 GHz base clock (highest in the lineup), and 4.70 GHz max boost, compared to 3.90-4.50 GHz of the 3800X. The 3600XT offers the same 4.70 GHz max boost, a step up from the 4.40 GHz of the 3600X, but has its base clock set at 4.00 GHz, compared to 3.80 GHz on the 3600X. It appears like AMD's design focus is to reduce, if not beat, Intel's gaming performance lead. The 10th generation Core "Comet Lake" tops gaming performance by a mid-high single-digit percentages over AMD's offerings, and AMD could bring them down to low single-digit percentages with the XT family.
113 Comments on Possible 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen "Matisse Refresh" XT SKU Clock Speeds Surface
A. They get bonuses for selling Intel CPUs based on an agreement with the parent company.
B. When new CPUs are released 25% to 30% of the floor staff would get a free I7 and the rest get 25% off buying any Intel CPU/MB they sell.
I am not saying AMD cannot do the same but to me that is unfair and justifies what we see on any post about Intel and the amount of fervor it creates. A funny thing about AMD though. I remember so many reviews for Ryzen saying that they needed 1.4 volts to get a stable 4.0+ GHZ OC. I cannot tell you how many Ryzen builds I have done in the last 3 years but all of them would give me a -100 MHZ vs boost on all core OC with between 1.22 to 1.30 volts (Ryzen3 not included). I can't wait to run the 3300X through it's paces (B550 first) and if the 3600XT is under $300 CAD it (3300X) is going to be going into my Gigabyte Gaming 7 X470 sitting around waiting for a CPU.My 1700 would do 3.9 GHZ @ 1.3 but the boost clock on that CPU was 3700 MHZ anyway. I will say though that you seem to be referencing launch conditions before the AGESA updates that have helped Ryzen to boost higher. Even the lowly 3000G will happily run at 4 GHZ happily (not using the stock cooler). There have been a few posts specifically about Ryzen boost and those threads show that AMD has improved it;s boost behaviour over time.
Here's 3 reasons AMD is probably releasing such offerings, which IMO is a strategic move & a very smart move.
1) AMD is responding to Intel's latest release, basically sticking it to Intel before the humongous IPC increase ZEN3 is going to have over ZEN2 clock for clock. lol
2) AMD knows they messed up the whole Socket AM4 debacle, by not supporting the x370 chipset, even though they clearly said they will support Socket AM4 to 2020. These faster processors now give better upgrade options to those that are on X370.
3) AMD has been working on ZEN2 mobile, tweaking it and now they are taking that and putting it onto the desktop. If you have a faster more efficient ZEN2 version, the logical choice is to go with that.
And on a side note, you can't think that way with regards to Intel, because any breathing room AMD gives Intel is not a good idea, as soon as Intel has something solid to work with, they will come out stronger than what they did back when they released Core design and almost put AMD out of business.
As to whether they have contracted space with TSMC, probably so. Is the refresh part of that contract obligation? We can’t answer that, however, Apple and Nvidia both operate in this environment so there may be an increasing amount of limited space due to both of the prior companies approaching new launches.
As for making up promises to last gen AMD platforms, true and good for AMD.
Still, those things considered, I don’t see the point of a refresh sans 39xx models.
Since we are on the topic, another logical explanation could be a response to Intel's 10th Gen Comet Lake CPUs which have launched recently. :D
Ryzen before end of... 2021, hence refresh.
Ryzen 4000 will launch this year... as Zen 2 APU.
ZEN3 Vermeer Desktop CPUs (NON APUs) and Radeon RX RDNA2 GPUs (Big Navi) coming October 2020. Lets not confuse ZEN2 Desktop APUs with discrete ZEN3 Desktop CPUs without integrated graphics OK. Not sure why people continually misinterperate information lol
June 10, 2020
Next Gen Ryzen 4000 Vermeer desktop ZEN3 & RDNA2 Big Navi graphics coming in October 2020
wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-4000-zen-3-vermeer-cpu-and-radeon-rx-big-navi-rdna-2-gpu-october-launch/
June 9, 2020
Supermicro's new generation of CPUs and GPUs grab 4 business opportunities in the 2nd half of the year - AMD Zen 3 & RDNA2
www.chinatimes.com/realtimenews/20200609001629-260410?chdtv
January 2020
Dr. Lisa Su confirms AMD Zen 3 CPUs will definitely be released in 2020
Amd/comments/em3ljn
Lisa Su has always been incredibly careful in her wording in order to give maximum flexibility to AMD and yet remain true.
She has said Zen 3 will launch by end of 2020, and only 1 product has to launch for that to be true.
Roadmaps given in june show that is Epyc not Ryzen.
Chinese links that cant differentiate between Supermicro a server vendor and AMD may have old information or AMD may manage to get the desktop launch off.
Either way, Saying Zen 3 launches in 2020, and Ryzen 4000 launches in 2020 Does not mean Zen3 based Ryzen launches in 2020... Stop hearing what you want to hear and listen to what has been said.
AMD confirmed back in August 2019 that the DESIGN phase of Zen 3 was complete.
AMD Designing Zen 4 for 2021, Zen 3 Completes Design Phase, out in 2020
www.techpowerup.com/258099/amd-designing-zen-4-for-2021-zen-3-completes-design-phase-out-in-2020
You are getting confused with ZEN2 APUs and ZEN3 Desktop CPUs.
By the end of 2020, we will see what takes place.
AMD has a performance lead, releasing ZEN3 in 2021 as you suggest is silly.
Here's more confirmation reported by a trusted source.
www.techpowerup.com/266374/amd-confirms-zen-3-and-rdna2-by-late-2020
I am not saying it cannot happen just that nothing has been guaranteed by AMD and all articles are referencing the same wording of Zen 3.
Even from the article you have linked... agrees with me yet again.
"although there's no word on which product line the microarchitecture will debut with "