Does that mean the hackintosh are dead?

pailleDoes that mean the hackintosh are dead?

In the next 4-5 years, yes. Depends on how long Apple and software vendors plan to support x86 Macs.

Also, I'm kinda not convinced that even iMac Pro and Mac Pro will get Arm processors in 2021. Apple could kick x86 in a phased manner. Beginning with MacBooks and iMac, then MBPs, and finally Mac Pros and iMac Pros. We'll see.

As much as I don't care about what Apple is doing, this will be very interesting.

If this happens I hope they will be compatible with Windows 10 on ARM. Will hopefully boost the W10 ARM ecosystem significantly and make it a viable alternative for more use cases.

Also, it would be ironic if ARM based Macs were what made W10 ARM take off

NichotinIf this happens I hope they will be compatible with Windows 10 on ARM. Will hopefully boost the W10 ARM ecosystem significantly and make it a viable alternative for more use cases.

Also, it would be ironic if ARM based Macs were what made W10 ARM take off

Or maybe Apple will lock everything up even more. They love to control everything.

windwhirlOr maybe Apple will lock everything up even more. They love to control everything.

I'd be surprised if they didn't.

Yep... I saw this coming. People love to go "Noo! Never, X86 is too blah blah legacy software".

I bet these are pretty fast too.

Im sure that the emulators (parralels etc) will still work to run windows software for those people who use macs in corp environments.

In another word , Apple found way to obstruct fixing and servicing and also (but not limited to) upgrading.

I mean, port Final Cut and Photoshop, announce they're 3x faster on the new ~1200$ Macbook 12" replacement than on entry-level Air and you have a couple hundred thousands pre-orders immediately. For people who still to this day choose to do their videos and stuff on macbooks, and there are plenty, it will be a no-brainer.

so intel will loose a customer and at least 5% market...

wow, less performance for more money! nice :nutkick:

They will probably use Radeon IP like RDNA2 iGPU in their own cpu's.

Moving away from PPC to x86 is the only thing that kept Apple alive - their software ecosystem was defecting to x86 rapidly as PPC was falling behind the performance curve.

I'm curious to see how this pans out, but I'm expecting the software market for Macs to either get dumbed down to iOS-grade products, or worse still - just shrink as many developers can't be bothered to rewrite their software from the ground up for a completely different architecture. They'll just continue to offer Windows, Linux, and Chrome support and make do with the 90% of the market that isn't using a Mac.

btarunrIn the next 4-5 years, yes. Depends on how long Apple and software vendors plan to support x86 Macs.

Also, I'm kinda not convinced that even iMac Pro and Mac Pro will get Arm processors in 2021. Apple could kick x86 in a phased manner. Beginning with MacBooks and iMac, then MBPs, and finally Mac Pros and iMac Pros. We'll see.

They just launched the new Mac Pro, which doesn’t appear to be light on engineering. I’d be surprised if they attempted to transition this product away from x86 so quickly, but maybe they have a parallel design going behind the scenes. They did introduce custom cards, like the Afterburner card, so maybe the new Mac Pro is designed to handle this transition. Those custom Vega GPUs couldn’t have been cheap either, so do we think they will dead-end them so quickly?

windwhirlOr maybe Apple will lock everything up even more. They love to control everything.

It’s not as though this comes with no benefits to their users. Yes, Apple does like the vertically integrated system, one that I’d say is the simplest to implement and use. They created a system that is very seamless feeling when you are “all in” on Apple products. You can certainly argue that this comes at a cost, but it’s the means to get the levels of simplicity and convenience that they offer. For examples, their Photos/iCloud integration requires very few user steps to get full access to all content on all Apple devices, with easy local storage management, and it does so without clunky loading screens. The ability to get all your texts on whatever Apple device you are using is just as easy. Sure, their are limits and a certain lack of control, but for the person who doesn’t want to spend the time setting up the alternatives, Apple is for the way to go. Most of this is done for you when you setup a new device, and even that has gotten as simple as “hold your old device next to your new device to begin.” Once you start mixing companies, this just isn’t as easy. I’m not saying Apple is for everyone, but there is a reason that they have maintained their success over the years—the end user continues to see the benefits of sticking with them.

Increases profit margin by 20%.
Increases autonomy by 45%.
Reduces performance by 200%.
Double the price.

Sounds Good, more expensive paperweights to feed the compulsive zombies consumers that apple created. :P

Dante UchihaIncreases profit margin by 20%.
Increases autonomy by 45%.
Reduces performance by 200%.
Double the price.

Sounds Good, more expensive paperweights to feed the compulsive zombies consumers that apple created. :p

Let's not make that judgement until there is an actual device on the market.

MatsAs much as I don't care about what Apple is doing, this will be very interesting.

Let's make it easier for others to understand that picture
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I agree. They have shown that their mobile chips are very good. I am eager to see what they can do without the mobile power restrictions. Going from PPC to Intel wasn’t a performance regression, though you had to deal with software migration. Considering they are willing to sell A-powered iPads for $329, it’s also a reach to assume these will cost more. The chips Apple sources from Intel aren’t bargain priced, so I could see them charging the same as always, just getting more profit. If they can trickle down these new chips, they might even be able to sell the mini for a reasonable price again.

windwhirlLet's not make that judgement until there is an actual device on the market.

People think ARM is a big deal since recent SOCs/CPUs have IPC similar/superior to the best intel/AMD uArch, but this is a very specific test of anandtech.

In the real world, ARM is destroyed by the x86 duopoly: www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=epyc-vs-graviton2&num=8 EPYC just lost in tests so badly optimized that do not even recognize the SMT. :P

john_Let's make it easier for others to understand that picture
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I still don't get it, so please enlighten me.

Dante UchihaPeople think ARM is a big deal since recent SOCs/CPUs have IPC similar/superior to the best intel/AMD uArch, but this is a very specific test of anandtech.

In the real world, ARM is destroyed by the x86 duopoly: www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=epyc-vs-graviton2&num=8 EPYC just lost in tests so badly optimized that do not even recognize the SMT. :p

We don't even know anything yet about what Apple is gonna bring to the table. For all we know, it could be the exact same SoC they have on the iPhone, just with no power/thermal restrictions, or something different. And the Graviton2 processor by Amazon whose benchmarks you linked there diverges from the reference platform by having lower clocks and half the L3 cache.

And then there is the fact that x86 software will have to be remade to work on those new Macs. We don't know what's Adobe's stance on this, we don't know what other developers will do, right now there is absolutely no precise information on what will they do and I don't even think there is information available about how well prepared they would be to port x86 code to ARM code.

So, I stand by what I said earlier, we can not say "it will be great" or "it will be shit" until the device is actually available and software with ARM target is made.

It’s about damn time. X86 progress is slow. Intel’s failure to conquer ARM with Atom in the last decade pretty much opened the gate to the x86 empire. Once ARM find a way to scale up, it’s over for Intel and AMD.

Dante UchihaIncreases profit margin by 20%.
Increases autonomy by 45%.
Reduces performance by 200%.

This.

And, oh well, Apple users deserve that kind of treatment.

QinXI still don't get it, so please enlighten me.

It's a city in Greece. Calamata/Kalamata it is the same. Famous for it's olive oil.

dicktracyOnce ARM find a way to scale up, it’s over for Intel and AMD.

Once elephants learn how to fly, it's all over for the birds.
And I've even spotted a working prototype: