Finally Intel's gaming reign is over, since 2006 Intel dominated it.

Game over Intel... at least for 2-3 years.

MetroidFinally Intel's gaming reign is over, since 2006 Intel dominated it.

Realistically speaking it was over for a while now

MetroidFinally Intel's gaming reign is over, since 2006 Intel dominated it.

I think Intel be back soon, even more so when they start doing chiplets too.

I hope the price for 12 core cpu will be not overpriced.

AsRockI think Intel be back soon, even more so when they start doing chiplets too.

Is Intel even planning on making chiplets?

All this hype and if does not beat the 10900k in gaming, it’s a major flop of epic proportion.

First Ryzen 5000 mentions were @Chiphell board in the beginning of august. ;)

well, lets see, i will have taken AMD 5 generations to catch up with Intel then (yes i count the 4000 series aswell) :)

dicktracyAll this hype and if does not beat the 10900k in gaming, it’s a major flop of epic proportion.

Yeah, of course it would be good to catch up 1 = 1 or even be better.

It's not going to be a live stream. They are using Premieres. Its right there in the photo. It's pre-recorded. Where did AMD say it was a livestream?

JalleRwell, lets see, i will have taken AMD 5 generations to catch up with Intel then (yes i count the 4000 series aswell) :)

More than that if you include Bulldozer and prior. AMD has been the underdog since 2006.

And you can't count the 4000 series as there is no 4000 series for Ryzen Desktop CPUs. Ryzen has had 3 generations across every product stack (1xxx/2xxx/3xxx for Ryzen Desktop CPU, 2xxx/3xxx/4xxx for Ryzen Desktop APU and mobile APU), the ones currently on 4xxx started at 2xxx, so they're only at the third generation.

ratirtIs Intel even planning on making chiplets?

No the closest we have to a rumor where they "might" do MCM is the post Rapids gen & as far as I can tell there's no viable glue they've gotten their hands on till now!

The only downside here is that Intel hasn’t spoken much about the glue that binds it all together. Chiplet strategies rely on complex high-speed interconnect protocols, custom or otherwise. Current uses of Intel’s die-to-die connectivity are either simply memory protocols or FPGA fabric extensions – the big ones for server CPUs like UPI aren’t necessarily up to the task. CXL could be the future here, however current CXL is built upon PCIe, which means a complex CXL/PCIe controller for every chiplet which will likely get power hungry fast.

www.anandtech.com/show/16021/intel-moving-to-chiplets-client-20-for-7nmBtw this was before the latest round of "delays" so who knows when any of it will come out.

AsRockI think Intel be back soon, even more so when they start doing chiplets too.

Intel has got the financial might to get back up, that is if they wake up from their slumber soon. At this point, I don't actually think Intel has anything up their sleeve to get them out of this mess they created.

dicktracyAll this hype and if does not beat the 10900k in gaming, it’s a major flop of epic proportion.

We will know today. But I feel it is not just about gaming itself that made Ryzen popular. If I take Ryzen 2xxx and 3xxx as an example, you would have seen their market share climbing up steadily over the years. Yet none of these Zen+ and Zen 2 could beat Intel's higher end processors in games. What Ryzen brings to the table is a CPU that runs very well as an all rounder. And best of all, it cost less than competition.

watzupkenIntel has got the financial might to get back up, that is if they wake up from their slumber soon. At this point, I don't actually think Intel has anything up their sleeve to get them out of this mess they created.


We will know today. But I feel it is not just about gaming itself that made Ryzen popular. If I take Ryzen 2xxx and 3xxx as an example, you would have seen their market share climbing up steadily over the years. Yet none of these Zen+ and Zen 2 could beat Intel's higher end processors in games. What Ryzen brings to the table is a CPU that runs very well as an all rounder. And best of all, it cost less than competition.

Nicely said! Yeah, AMD is climbing up. That is good for us.

AsRockI think Intel be back soon, even more so when they start doing chiplets too.

When Intel comes back, AMD is going back where they were during FX era. They definitely need chiplet designs for workstation though, but they know that.

JalleRwell, lets see, i will have taken AMD 5 generations to catch up with Intel then (yes i count the 4000 series aswell) :)

They have yet to catch up, as both Ice Lake and Tiger Lake have a vastly better IPC. And I'm talking about Zen 3 as well.

And none of them hold a candle to say the 3950x, so your point is IPC is everything huh? Just like the GHz race during peak P4 meltdown :rolleyes:

Heck ICL was inferior to may of the "10th gen" SKL derivatives on 14nm+++ that's why they had to rush in yet another Lake to stop bleeding their mobile division!

birdieThey have yet to catch up, as both Ice Lake and Tiger Lake have a vastly better IPC. And I'm talking about Zen 3 as well.

And half the amount of cores, so AMD wins that round, no matter if the IPC is lower. IGP is another story tho.

www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ZenBook-14-UX425E-Review-11th-Gen-Core-i7-Tiger-Lake-Debut.495286.0.html


Now shoot me for just posting one benchmark, also, benchmarks are outdated?? :D
Also gimme a soapbox speech about single thread performance. I care.

And yeah, there are faster Tigers out there, but they're still 4C, dunno how 100 MHz turbo would make any tangible improvements.


ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/codename/88759/tiger-lake.html

dicktracyAll this hype and if does not beat the 10900k in gaming, it’s a major flop of epic proportion.

Ofc, because PC's are meant to be used only as console substitutes.

dicktracyAll this hype and if does not beat the 10900k in gaming, it’s a major flop of epic proportion.

Wow, such drama. Bulldozer was a major flop, not Ryzen. This is not a flop:

gotta love all the mandatory but totally pointless and unnecessary and run of the mill fanboyism that these sort of news articles attract.

R0H1TNo the closest we have to a rumor where they "might" do MCM is the post Rapids gen & as far as I can tell there's no viable glue they've gotten their hands on till now!
www.anandtech.com/show/16021/intel-moving-to-chiplets-client-20-for-7nmBtw this was before the latest round of "delays" so who knows when any of it will come out.

Intel's been talking about the MCM for quite a while now but this is still nothing certain. I think it started over 5 years or so ago and still nothing.

birdieThey have yet to catch up, as both Ice Lake and Tiger Lake have a vastly better IPC. And I'm talking about Zen 3 as well.

I think you got it all the way around buddy.

dicktracyAll this hype and if does not beat the 10900k in gaming, it’s a major flop of epic proportion.

Yes, we have seen the previous gens of Ryzen CPUs to be a major flop despite being slower in games (=6% or so slower with the current high-end GPU in FHD, LOL). :D Somehow every Amazon sites have a 2/3 AMD - 1/3 Intel ratio in the top20 bestseller CPUs (Germany, US, UK), and we have heard numbers from German and Japan retailers as well, being around 70-30% sells (and it was the 2000 series as far as I remember, and the difference has only grown bigger with Zen 2). And the imbalance is even bigger in the top 10: there is about a 80-20% there. It means that out of 100 CPUs, 80 AMD and 20 Intels CPUs are sold. If you inspect the German Amazon numbers, in the top 10, there are a whopping 9 AMD and only 1 Intel CPUs. Whatever single thread performance the Zen 3 has, as far as it has similar pricing as the earlier gens, it will sell hot. And the reason? Stable increase in performance (contrary to Intel), longer mobo support (there is a 3 generation "gap" between supported mobos and CPUs, while at Intel, usually only 1 generation difference is possible, or even 0), better efficiency, just to mention some important factors.

watzupkenIntel has got the financial might to get back up, that is if they wake up from their slumber soon. At this point, I don't actually think Intel has anything up their sleeve to get them out of this mess they created.


We will know today. But I feel it is not just about gaming itself that made Ryzen popular. If I take Ryzen 2xxx and 3xxx as an example, you would have seen their market share climbing up steadily over the years. Yet none of these Zen+ and Zen 2 could beat Intel's higher end processors in games. What Ryzen brings to the table is a CPU that runs very well as an all rounder. And best of all, it cost less than competition.

Hopefully AMD can keep up with them this time around.

ratirtIs Intel even planning on making chiplets?

I guess we will have to wait and see, they need to figure out some thing.

GungarWhen Intel comes back, AMD is going back where they were during FX era. They definitely need chiplet designs for workstation though, but they know that.

I guess we will find out sooner or later, that mess you call it made Intel loads of money. Going be the same deal with nVidia too soon until people start wanting 4k-8k gaming. Your not going need these new higher performance cards. Like my self i am perfectly happy at 1080p i can only see me moving up to a higher resolution due to being forced to a higher resolution.