"Mad Catz Global Limited, the leading innovators in gaming hardware"
lol

Still dislike the idea, and still think it looks ugly, but at least they went a bit further than cloning that stupid cookie-cutter honeycomb atrocity that looks like something I'd do to my old intellimouse "for science" back when I was 15 or so.

silentbogoStill dislike the idea, and still think it looks ugly, but at least they went a bit further than cloning that stupid cookie-cutter honeycomb atrocity that looks like something I'd do to my old intellimouse "for science" back when I was 15 or so.

But the weight man, the weight! Snowflakes can't lift more than 10g per finger! Are you telling them 'you can't game' because of YOUR preference for heavy mice?! So not cool, man.

And Madcatz even gives you the most distracting RGB effect one could ever desire on a mouse for free, too. I mean its not just the fact these holes are big enough to lose all sorts of stuff in, you get MORE lighting for your dollar on top! Who doesn't want to look at his hands while gaming?! And you get a free stamp of the mouse design on your hand after gaming, too - with a feature that the harder you squeeze, the longer it lasts! Its a perfect marriage of form and function.

Imagine if they were following innovators instead.

All this honeycomb design for 70g?
Logitech achieves this with zero honeycomb and is even wireless that usually adds weight. Seeing the pictures i assumed this would be sub 50g.

Looks a lot like a G502

Yup, mad catz finally moving away from the ridiculous designs and into copying the 502, at least copy something more appropriate for this lightweight design from zowie.

Vayra86But the weight man, the weight! Snowflakes can't lift more than 10g per finger!

Every time I look at my G5, I hear Boris the Blade on the back of my mind saying "Heavy is good. Heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work, you can always hit with it." :pimp:

FreedomEclipseLooks a lot like a G502

Which is a very nice mouse.

I like the look of this new MadCatz mouse. The question is, what's the price? Or did I miss that somewhere?

lexluthermiesterWhich is a very nice mouse.

I like the look of this new MadCatz mouse. The question is, what's the price? Or did I miss that somewhere?

So nice i actually put mine back in service. I still like my G900 though

I don’t know if there is any solid justification behind the lightweight mouse trend. I even bought a model O to try out and compare against my collection of mice from the past 15-20 years - mostly older Logitech and razer models.

It’s all personal preference, but nothing about the mouse being lightweight made it easier to use, faster, or more precise IMO. If there is one big difference, its is that the lightweight mice feel notably cheaper / lower quality...

I would pay good money for a new, high-end mouse that has adjustable weights like the old G9 / G9X models though.

Finally Mad Catz made a different body. They were just rereleasing the same mouse with different sensor.

Of all the locations to remove material from in their weight-saving efforts, they chose the only two places where a fingertip/claw grip mouse user holds their mouse.

That's two of the three types of mouse user snubbed, right off the bat.

wait...the most interesting thing about this press release is that mad catz is still around!

dirtyferretwait...the most interesting thing about this press release is that mad catz is still around!

The old company died in 2017. A new company is using the name as of 2018 and it has nothing to do with the old company whatsoever.

SamuelLI don’t know if there is any solid justification behind the lightweight mouse trend. I even bought a model O to try out and compare against my collection of mice from the past 15-20 years - mostly older Logitech and razer models.

It’s all personal preference, but nothing about the mouse being lightweight made it easier to use, faster, or more precise IMO. If there is one big difference, its is that the lightweight mice feel notably cheaper / lower quality...

I would pay good money for a new, high-end mouse that has adjustable weights like the old G9 / G9X models though.

Physics says that a lighter mouse is lighter to move, stop and lift. Typical things you do with a mouse.
By multiplying by the time of use and dividing by the sensitivity used you can get an idea of the advantage it can give you. It certainly won't magically make you a better aimer.

There are many fans of the G9, good luck with Logitech making a updated version.

aciDevPhysics says that a lighter mouse is lighter to move, stop and lift. Typical things you do with a mouse.
By multiplying by the time of use and dividing by the sensitivity used you can get an idea of the advantage it can give you. It certainly won't magically make you a better aimer.

There are many fans of the G9, good luck with Logitech making a updated version.

I may not have given the Model O enough of a chance - but I think you hit on the issue I had. Playing FPS titles for years with heavier, larger mice, I’ve become conditioned to that. Going to the lightweight mouse, I feel like my aim actually suffered and that it didn’t have the control I was used to. If I stuck with the ultralight long enough I suppose that would eventually change...

aciDevPhysics says that a lighter mouse is lighter to move, stop and lift. Typical things you do with a mouse.
By multiplying by the time of use and dividing by the sensitivity used you can get an idea of the advantage it can give you.

Logic dictates that if a mouse is too heavy for you, step away from the computer and go to a gym.

SamuelLI may not have given the Model O enough of a chance - but I think you hit on the issue I had. Playing FPS titles for years with heavier, larger mice, I’ve become conditioned to that. Going to the lightweight mouse, I feel like my aim actually suffered and that it didn’t have the control I was used to. If I stuck with the ultralight long enough I suppose that would eventually change...

I know what you mean but my guess is that your problem is more related to the shape of the mouse in relation with you grip style.

Caring1Logic dictates that if a mouse is too heavy for you, step away from the computer and go to a gym.

I don't think it is the case for anyone and you can train full body pratically everywhere, so no, logic doesn't say that.

Caring1Logic dictates that if a mouse is too heavy for you, step away from the computer and go to a gym.

Or buy a normal mouse...

While this debate of "light vs heavy" is as old as the internet itself, the main point is - if OEMs wanted to make a lightweight gaming mouse, it's possible to do without holes.
It simply needs to be done on the design stage, not as an afterthought.

And just for fun, I'm gonna sprinkle a little gasoline on this bonfire.
Here's my home gym:

silentbogoWhile this debate of "light vs heavy" is as old as the internet itself, the main point is - if OEMs wanted to make a lightweight gaming mouse, it's possible to do without holes.
It simply needs to be done on the design stage, not as an afterthought.

And just for fun, I'm gonna sprinkle a little gasoline on this bonfire.
Here's my home gym:

Spoiler

I can feel the burn already

wolarYup, mad catz finally moving away from the ridiculous designs and into copying the 502, at least copy something more appropriate for this lightweight design from zowie.

Who copying who? do you know where the g 502's design and the whole new logitech mice lineup and many other mice in the industry design were copied from?

aciDevPhysics says that a lighter mouse is lighter to move, stop and lift. Typical things you do with a mouse.
By multiplying by the time of use and dividing by the sensitivity used you can get an idea of the advantage it can give you

Wh...what now?

Physics says gravity is the same on your body so if you're weak, the same weight of mouse will feel heavier to you than to someone who has less trouble lifiting his arms up against 1 G. So, you're both right, and the statement that weaklings will prefer a lighter mouse is certainly true. Let's not deny the obvious with pseudo science. What is also true, is that the less you ask of muscles, the less they will provide. Self fulfilling prophecy, you're mixing up cause and effect here.

And what is NOT true, is that you can 'multiply the times you use a mouse with the 'weight saved divided by sensitivity'' :roll::roll::wtf::twitch: to come to some sort of conclusion on 'how much you save'... I don't know what logic that is, but it was a good laugh :p This is not an 'every little helps' situation like cents on a dollar., its the exact opposite because the less you train, the more muscle you lose.

I sincerely hope you'll stop coming to the defense of nonsense because you're not good at it. Marketing can do that all on its own I think.

It works like that for all these supposed gamur E-sports junk articles, from 240+hz 0.5~1ms TN to even IPS bullshit, to the acceptance of dramatic quality reductions ingame because its 'more pro'... everyone wants to act like they are in the top 3% of pro players these days. Get a life, most of us aren't that good and never will be and usually if you have to debate these things on forums, you'll never get there anyway. Its just status and emotion nothing else - as nicely underlined by this absolutely ridiculous defense on the advantage of lighter mice.

Pro gaming is exactly like pro sports: full dedication or you're among the masses who are 'just good', at best. And for them, there is zero evidence of different peripherals making a marked difference. In fact, there also isn't much evidence of any of that in the Esports scene either, and metric tons of sponsoring plays an important role too. GL with that ;)

Its really simple, if you like it, use it, but don't live in denial. Every time I see people saying 'oh but a mouse full of holes is fine, opening it up is NP and cleaning is easy', a bit of faith in humanity is lost. Its staggering how bad we've become at identifying bullshit and how easily we fall prey to it and even accept a product with glaring flaws. (Yes, Glorious, looking at you and your idiot fanbase)


Innovation is a marketing idea.

Invention is something actually new.

SamuelLI may not have given the Model O enough of a chance - but I think you hit on the issue I had. Playing FPS titles for years with heavier, larger mice, I’ve become conditioned to that. Going to the lightweight mouse, I feel like my aim actually suffered and that it didn’t have the control I was used to. If I stuck with the ultralight long enough I suppose that would eventually change...

Nail > Head. We get used to things and perform best within our comfort zone ;) We develop muscle memory based on what stuff we use, not the actual qualities of said stuff.

The most powerful example I've experienced of that was with gaming actually. I used to play GW2 on a 20 FPS-capable, throttling piece of shit laptop, but I could readily compensate for both the server latency and the dreadful FPS. Did raids, events, PVP, no problemo.

Now I do the exact same things at 144 FPS. Am I any better for it? Nope... Does it feel different? Yes.

With shooters its much the same. The most common influence on skill level is simple practice. And not just 'shoot the bullseye ten times a day'... but endless repetition. That is how we develop muscle memory, we need to do something so often that it becomes habit, no thought involved just pure reflex.