Wednesday, November 18th 2020

Surprising Absolutely No One, AMD RX 6800 Series Pretty Much Out of Stock, And Scalping Becomes a Pervasive Industry Problem

The title says it all, really. We've only just been able to add AMD's latest RX 6800 and 6800 XT graphics cards to our shopping carts in multiple etailers, but the cat is already out of the bag and into scalpers' pockets. This has been a recurring event for all gaming-related tech, from DIY PC parts to the latest-gen games consoles from both Microsoft and Sony. At this point, it becomes moot to talk about availability issues, or demand issues, or reaching a conclusion between the two - the stock just isn't there for anything gaming-related, period.

Some etailers are only selling their graphics cards in-person, as a way to both control flow of stock and protect themselves from scalpers buying up the entire inventory with recourse to some digital sidekicks that automate the purchase process, and then allow them to resell anything from graphics cards from NVIDIA to AMD, passing through AMD's latest Ryzen 5000 series and the Xbox Series X and PS5 gaming consoles.
At a time where the COVID pandemic is still well underway and has actually been ever more pervasive and threatening in these winter months across the world (where winter months apply at this time of year, eh), the decision to only carry in-store inventory not only forces more people to enter possible infection scenarios, but also overturns the entire purchase process. Perhaps the time has come for etailers to actually review their online sale policies, and make things as hard as possible for scalpers to circumvent their (at times laughable) order mechanisms.
Selling only a single graphics card per purchase, not allowing the same credit card or billing information to be used for copies of the same or comparable articles, introducing captchas for every finalized cart, not allowing shipment for the same address, instituting a queue system that removes the products from stock for all but the contacted customers, and even manual filtering of orders like NVIDIA instituted on their store - these would all be sensible, partial solutions to fix this problem for the consumer, whilst simultaneously protecting customers from (I'm sorry) pretty poor choices in demanding they physically go to a store to maybe be able to get that latest gaming console or graphics card.
Of course, I guess for etailers, a sale is a sale, wherever and however it's done. They don't deal with the brand damage that surfaces from these practices, and they make their profit - as small as it sometimes is - all the same. For them, a card off the shelf is a card off the shelf, and that's that.
Source: TechSpot
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102 Comments on Surprising Absolutely No One, AMD RX 6800 Series Pretty Much Out of Stock, And Scalping Becomes a Pervasive Industry Problem

#51
Space Lynx
Astronaut
Durvelle27luckily i scored a 6800 Non XT
looking forward to comparing numbers with you... we got lucky lol
PunkenjoyThe truth is people are crying at AMD and nvidia for not having totally non-essential product not in stock. Most people complaining are probably already fine with their current PC and the upgrade is just luxury.

And Also, Both Nvidia and AMD would prefer to have their cards in stock so they could grab the money of everyone wanting to buy them.
ya if i didn't get one not end of world. but i did get a 5600x on launch day so was hoping to use it all soon :D

i can finally play witcher 3 without lagging, for some reason my quad core laptop gtx 1070 just could never handle it well. other games my laptop handled just fine, but certain cpu intensive games like ghost recon wildlands, witcher 3, cpu just ran too hot.

looking forward to finally doing expansions of witcher 3 though, maxed out :D
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#52
Durvelle27
lynx29looking forward to comparing numbers with you... we got lucky lol




ya if i didn't get one not end of world. but i did get a 5600x on launch day so was hoping to use it all soon :D

i can finally play witcher 3 without lagging, for some reason my quad core laptop gtx 1070 just could never handle it well. other games my laptop handled just fine, but certain cpu intensive games like ghost recon wildlands, witcher 3, cpu just ran too hot.

looking forward to finally doing expansions of witcher 3 though, maxed out :D
Mine wasn't luck :roll:
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#53
Space Lynx
Astronaut
Durvelle27Mine wasn't luck :roll:
mine was, I literally just kept clicking add to cart every 5-7 seconds, not spamming it
and finally one of them stuck... lol
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#54
RainingTacco
Seriously who thought it would be different?
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#55
Durvelle27
lynx29mine was, I literally just kept clicking add to cart every 5-7 seconds, not spamming it
and finally one of them stuck... lol
It worked though
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#56
erocker
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If retailers would stop with allowing 3rd party sellers, this wouldn't be so difficult. Why should they care though, they're selling stuff.
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#57
Space Lynx
Astronaut
erockerIf retailers would stop with allowing 3rd party sellers, this wouldn't be so difficult. Why should they care though, they're selling stuff.
from what i understand the bulk of the cards don't go on sale until the 25th, this was just the reference launch.
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#58
P4-630
lynx29I was lucky enough to get a rx 6800, not XT but I am still super happy!! I didn't think i was, about 9:27am rolled around I was still trying about to give up... and finally got through... lol
Acer Nitro XF243Y 23.8" IPS 165hz 1080p
The only thing you need now is a nice 1440p 165Hz monitor...
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#59
Caring1
"The title says it all, really"

The title doesn't make sense.
Are there words missing?
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#60
Space Lynx
Astronaut
P4-630The only thing you need now is a nice 1440p 165Hz monitor...
I plan on it, I am waiting for the new panels to come out in January, they will be loads better as Hardware Unboxed has shown us. ;) IPS that beats TN at 1440p in every single sector. it's coming soon. that is what I am waiting on.
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#61
8BitZ80
Is there actual evidence from suppliers that it was bots? Or just opinion?

I feel like every supply limitation is assumed to be due to scalpers and bots that consume all the stock in a split second. In reality there is almost no stock to begin with and that makes the problem seem far worse than it actually is.

AMD's chip production supply from TSMC is only a fraction of their total output, and that is further divided up into separate products for Ryzen 5000, Radeon 6000, mobile and console processors. Each product only gets a small wafer slice of supply and so the supply is scarce for a large number of products.
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#62
Space Lynx
Astronaut
PooPipeBoyIs there actual evidence from suppliers that it was bots? Or just opinion?

I feel like every supply limitation is assumed to be due to scalpers and bots that consume all the stock in a split second. In reality there is almost no stock to begin with and that makes the problem seem far worse than it actually is.

AMD's chip production supply from TSMC is only a fraction of their total output, and that is further divided up into separate products for Ryzen 5000, Radeon 6000, mobile and console processors. Each product only gets a small wafer slice of supply and so the supply is scarce for a large number of products.
yeah someone linked awhile ago that sneaker sales of rare shoes like Air Jordan's etc, they have people that pay thousands for bots and advanced tech that guarantees them sells. apparently it's similar system here? i don't know how much of that is bs... but just based on ebay sells i would say yes bots do exist at some level. maybe not to the amount everyone thinks though
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#63
Fluffmeister
PooPipeBoyIs there actual evidence from suppliers that it was bots? Or just opinion?

I feel like every supply limitation is assumed to be due to scalpers and bots that consume all the stock in a split second. In reality there is almost no stock to begin with and that makes the problem seem far worse than it actually is.

AMD's chip production supply from TSMC is only a fraction of their total output, and that is further divided up into separate products for Ryzen 5000, Radeon 6000, mobile and console processors. Each product only gets a small wafer slice of supply and so the supply is scarce for a large number of products.
I think that is the reality, we have gone from "real men have fabs", to well... TSMC is the only option.

Of course there is huge demand, but TSMC is the donkey in a one donkey race (or something).
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#64
8BitZ80
FluffmeisterI think that is the reality, we have gone from "real men have fabs", to well... TSMC is the only option.

Of course there is huge demand, but TSMC is the donkey in a one donkey race (or something).
That's probably why they've decided to build a new fab out in the Arizona desert lol
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#65
Caring1
PooPipeBoyThat's probably why they've decided to build a new fab out in the Arizona desert lol
That and it will be their new HQ when the Imperial Mothership lands in Taiwan to take over.
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#66
MxPhenom 216
ASIC Engineer
Durvelle27luckily i scored a 6800 Non XT
Where at? Online or Microcenter?
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#67
boidsonly
It's sad we can't even buy a new CPU or GPU. By the time we can get one of these, they will be a year old. lol
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#68
mtcn77
This has become a single lead foundry race, wink-wink.
PooPipeBoyThat's probably why they've decided to build a new fab out in the Arizona desert lol
It surprises me how people miss the common end goal similarities of the big panda with the big eagle. They are literally the same beast using different means.
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#69
15th Warlock
It should be illegal for scalpers to resale items that are out of stock everywhere else, bot renting services should be illegal as well, as they only serve for one purpose, clearing all stock available in seconds sometimes bringing the retailer websites to their knees, and not allowing for legit sales to end costumers.

This already happens in some markets, like the resale of sports or concert tickets, which are now banned and illegal in most states. Or even worse, price gouging of essential supplies like hand sanitizer and N95 masks during the pandemic, which is considered a crime and can end scalpers in jail.

This affects all costumers everywhere, yea, call it whatever you want: a first world problem, FOMO, or the false pretenses of entitlement to any given goods, capitalism or whatever; truth is we should all be united against this instead of blaming AMD, Nvidia, or any company unable to meet the demand in these difficult times.

We can only vote with our wallets and not support scalpers, contact our lawmakers and try to have them pass laws against scalping of all goods, I'm not talking about the lawful sale of one costumer to another, but when a single scalper can purchase dozens of video cards or any goods in seconds and list them on ebay, that alone should paint a huge target on their back for prosecution.
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#70
ixi
KhonjelBut that really does make today's launch a paper launch lol.

Hey, AMD haters on TPU forums! Quote me (and Kyle Benett and Steve from HWUB), AMD did a paper launch. Make AMD lovers mad. Khek! XD
You just stepped over the line boy, over the line... I will run you over with ghost 3090!

Jokes aside. I think from greedia and maddia we gona see availability after christmass or should I say 2021... Hoping till then the prices will go down :). Have a small thought that I will not be able to get pc on current amd cpu gen and as well on gpu's from greedia or maddia.

Maybe even intel gpus will come out firstly, haha.
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#71
Durvelle27
MxPhenom 216Where at? Online or Microcenter?
I got it directly through AMD
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#72
Minus Infinity
I won't even bother, for both cpu and gpu it's a total joke at the moment., IU don't even expect to be able to get stock for my Xmas rebuild at anywhere near RRP. So sick of these paper launches. Compnay should have had a 500000 GPU's ready to ship on first release including the AIB's own stock.

The worst thing is they had the temerity to brag it wouldn't be like Nvidia's pathetic launch.
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#73
Fluffmeister
Minus InfinityI won't even bother, for both cpu and gpu it's a total joke at the moment., IU don't even expect to be able to get stock for my Xmas rebuild at anywhere near RRP. So sick of these paper launches. Compnay should have had a 500000 GPU's ready to ship on first release including the AIB's own stock.

The worst thing is they had the temerity to brag it wouldn't be like Nvidia's pathetic launch.
Yeah I presumed the delay between announcement and reviews/availability was to guarantee stock.

Fact is, they had no stock.
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#74
Durvelle27
Minus InfinityI won't even bother, for both cpu and gpu it's a total joke at the moment., IU don't even expect to be able to get stock for my Xmas rebuild at anywhere near RRP. So sick of these paper launches. Compnay should have had a 500000 GPU's ready to ship on first release including the AIB's own stock.

The worst thing is they had the temerity to brag it wouldn't be like Nvidia's pathetic launch.
Hey it wasn't bad I scored both
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#75
dinmaster
everyone is going nuts on the out of stock thing for amd today, the real big date is nov 25 when all the aib cards come out. saw a post from Kyle Bennett on amd reddit saying they gave little stock to reference cards and most to custom cards and its expected to have a lot of stock when the aib cards launch next week. grain of salt stuff but I'm optimistic that its the case, if not then no difference from nvidia sadly..
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