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$400 and it beats a 2080 super? honestly this might be the new budget king. especially if more games support DLSS later on

lynx29$400 and it beats a 2080 super? honestly this might be the new budget king. especially if more games support DLSS later on

If this is budget, 2nd hand is the only way for me then...

lynx29$400 and it beats a 2080 super? honestly this might be the new budget king. especially if more games support DLSS later on

$400 card is not a budget card : $200-$300 is the budget card segment. I got my 960 4GB for $200. And i don't care if the current gen xx60 is the same as previous xx80 - that is supposed to happen in tech - more performance for less price.
And don't start with the "inflation" reason, there was some , but not 100%. During the first mining craze people bought GPUs for increased prices and they keep buying them for those same inflated prices. That is why the prices never came down (why would they if the GPUs are bought anyway).
And don't get me started with the MSRP price. The 3070 has $499 MSRP. The card is selling for about 700 EUR - that is about $821 in European stores. And don't say tax because 20% tax on $499 is $100, that would make the card $599, not $821. You can tack maybe $50 on because they are AIB cards, and as far as i know we didn't get any FE cards (or a neglible amount).

What is the TDP of the board?
I really don't want 750W+ PSUs, and I am happy with 2080 super performance.
But where is the % efficiency increase thanks to a smaller node? If these cards have the same TDP (or higher), then what is the advantage of the Ampere architecture and 8nm node?

RandAlThor$400 card is not a budget card : $200-$300 is the budget card segment. I got my 960 4GB for $200. And i don't care if the current gen xx60 is the same as previous xx80 - that is supposed to happen in tech - more performance.
And don't start with the " inflation" reason, there was some , but not 100%. During the first mining craze sheeple bought GPUs for increased prices and keep buying them. That is why the prices never came down (why would they if the GPUs are bought anyway).
And don't get me started with the MSRP price. The 3070 has $499 MSRP. The card is selling for about 700 EUR - that is about $821 in europes stores. And don't say tax because 20% tax on $499 is $100, that would make the card $599, not $821.

It's demand. Not only for mining. VR and the beginning of a long-ass console cycle are also boosting demand to ever greater heights. I predict it calming down once the demand for the new consoles calms down and the supply of GPUs can climb up. The PS5 is being sold on eBay nowhere under $1000. MSRP is $399...

But still, forget $200-$300 for a budget card. With this kind of demand, prices are here to stay.

PowerPCIt's demand. Not only for mining. VR and the beginning of a long-ass console cycle are also boosting demand to ever greater heights. I predict it calming down once the demand for the new consoles calms down and the supply of GPUs can climb up. The PS5 is being sold on eBay nowhere under $1000. MSRP is $399...

what the new console demand got to do with nvidia GPU supply? how can it relate? they're on a different foundry, right?

stanleyipkissWhat is the TDP of the board?
I really don't want 750W+ PSUs, and I am happy with 2080 super performance.
But where is the % efficiency increase thanks to a smaller node? If these cards have the same TDP (or higher), then what is the advantage of the Ampere architecture and 8nm node?

outervision.com/power-supply-calculator

I used a Ryzen 5 3600X, RTX 3070 Ti, and the usual parts including including water cooling
Yeah, you're looking at a 600 >= PSU, TDP would be a little lower compared to 3070 Ti

$400 on paper $700 in reality. This is annoying heh.

PowerPCIt's demand. Not only for mining. VR and the beginning of a long-ass console cycle are also boosting demand to ever greater heights. I predict it calming down once the demand for the new consoles calms down and the supply of GPUs can climb up. The PS5 is being sold on eBay nowhere under $1000. MSRP is $399...

But still, forget $200-$300 for a budget card. With this kind of demand, prices are here to stay.

Absolute nonsense. It was, has always been and will be about timing your purchase right. These new cards will devalue faster than you can blink, especially because Nvidia has some catching up to do. What they've got now on 8nm won't last long.

Once the early wave is over prices will settle to MSRP. A few months later its probably refresh time.

Let's face it, a 1200 dollar Turing card just got cut in half, and then some. More expensive?! Where? That only counts for the nutjobs that must have their 4K 'experience' because they bought ditto monitor and can't go back. Their problem :D

I'm still getting playable FPS with this 1080 on a 3440x1440 panel... Its time for a reality check I think.

lynx29$400 and it beats a 2080 super? honestly this might be the new budget king. especially if more games support DLSS later on

400$ is budget now ?

Vya Domus400$ is budget now ?

People are getting out of their mind with this corona crisis, the man dare to say 400$ is the new budget lmao, thats a console price with the whole CPU/GPU/SSD package.

I'm done with the tech community, people in there are the epitome of compulsive consumerism and selfishness, they don't know that the way they spend their money blindly is also affecting those who are really in need of such hardware or the less fortunate.

You can't have respect for those who can't even manage to resist a simple commodity purchase.

lynx29$400 and it beats a 2080 super? honestly this might be the new budget king.

RandAlThor$400 card is not a budget card : $200-$300 is the budget card segment.

Vya Domus400$ is budget now ?

Yeah...um, lynx, I dunno WTF you do for a living that grants you the luxury of dropping big money on computer parts like it's nothing, but as the other two quotes in my post state, a $400 GPU is by no means a "budget" king. Cards like the still chuggin' RX 570, 580, the GTX 16 series (minus the Ti because the 1660 Super pretty much rendered it obsolete) THOSE are budget cards my dude. Good lord.

This will be a good buy, although I think $299 ~ $349 would be more acceptable. I miss the days when x60 series used to be $199.

MetroidThis will be a good buy, although I think $299 ~ $349 would be more acceptable.

I'd be in for $300. Sadly, I don't see it happening.

RandAlThor$400 card is not a budget card : $200-$300 is the budget card segment. I got my 960 4GB for $200. And i don't care if the current gen xx60 is the same as previous xx80 - that is supposed to happen in tech - more performance for less price.
And don't start with the "inflation" reason, there was some , but not 100%. During the first mining craze people bought GPUs for increased prices and they keep buying them for those same inflated prices. That is why the prices never came down (why would they if the GPUs are bought anyway).
And don't get me started with the MSRP price. The 3070 has $499 MSRP. The card is selling for about 700 EUR - that is about $821 in European stores. And don't say tax because 20% tax on $499 is $100, that would make the card $599, not $821. You can tack maybe $50 on because they are AIB cards, and as far as i know we didn't get any FE cards (or a neglible amount).

You're living in the past, prices go up, deal with it.

Gmr_ChickYeah...um, lynx, I dunno WTF you do for a living that grants you the luxury of dropping big money on computer parts like it's nothing, but as the other two quotes in my post state, a $400 GPU is by no means a "budget" king. Cards like the still chuggin' RX 570, 580, the GTX 16 series (minus the Ti because the 1660 Super pretty much rendered it obsolete) THOSE are budget cards my dude. Good lord.

Even barely depending where you are.

In Canada, prices are beyond acceptable. A GTX 1660 Super is over $300 in Canada. Wages here dont really reflect the inflation and taxes. Currently, it is better to just buy a console (if you can).

Gmr_ChickYeah...um, lynx, I dunno WTF you do for a living that grants you the luxury of dropping big money on computer parts like it's nothing, but as the other two quotes in my post state, a $400 GPU is by no means a "budget" king. Cards like the still chuggin' RX 570, 580, the GTX 16 series (minus the Ti because the 1660 Super pretty much rendered it obsolete) THOSE are budget cards my dude. Good lord.

Yeah when I was really scraping by I could barely put together a machine that could game at all so I know what it's like. Not so much now though. I like to play with hardware it's my hobby. I've had almost all the video cards in the vega series, 2 5700xt sold one kept the other, I had just about every model of 1000 series, and the 2000 series of cards from Nvidia. I really had fun with the 295x2 water cooled. That was 1500 itself. And a bunch of 290x's. I have a grown daughter and I'm divorced so I'm blessed to have the opportunity to do this. I play and then sell them at a low enough price they usually sell the same day on ebay. Like say I got a 6800xt for 649 I'll usually cut 150 to 200 off the price I ask. I'm very lucky though and know where you are coming from.

Caring1You're living in the past, prices go up, deal with it.

100+% price increase in 2 years, if you call this inflation I can safely say that you are delusional.

TheEndIsNearYeah when I was really scraping by I could barely put together a machine that could game at all so I know what it's like. Not so much now though. I like to play with hardware it's my hobby. I've had almost all the video cards in the vega series, 2 5700xt sold one kept the other, I had just about every model of 1000 series, and the 2000 series of cards from Nvidia. I really had fun with the 295x2 water cooled. That was 1500 itself. And a bunch of 290x's. I have a grown daughter and I'm divorced so I'm blessed to have the opportunity to do this. I play and then sell them at a low enough price they usually sell the same day on ebay. Like say I got a 6800xt for 649 I'll usually cut 150 to 200 off the price I ask. I'm very lucky though and know where you are coming from.

Dunno who's the lucky one, the one who value his hard earned money by making reasonable decision or the one who compulsively burn his money to escape reality, regardless the consequences on those around him.

Caring1You're living in the past, prices go up, deal with it.

Buying the cards for whatever price is not difficult nor would have created any toll on my funds but I dont want to buy for that price and saying the prices go up deal with it is crap bro. Of course prices go up but not like this.
I can bet, next year, we will get a 4070 and a 7600 rdna4 for $800 MSRP and people like you will say price go up deal with it. You guys are victims of flawed commercialization with price bumps explained by the common thing as inflation. Which is totally misleading and untrue.

Same sentiment, why need to drop $500K on a vehicle when a $20K vehicle suits me fine.
I don't mind sticking to mid-range hardware.

For all the people crying 400$ is not budget, nvidia and AMD are selling their cards at these price just because people buy them at these prices.
You try to boycott by not buying them and watch how the prices go down.
But consumerism is a thing these days and people spend money like there is no tomorrow.
Hence, prices go up. Get it? The fact that you all are some obsessive buyers trying to get the stuff from day 1 at 2000$ tells one clear thing to the manufacturers. The idiots will buy no matter the price.
To me, queuing up at the store in the morning to get the first card/cpu there is for whatever the price is just stupid and counter productive.

ratirtBuying the cards for whatever price is not difficult nor would have created any toll on my funds but I dont want to buy for that price and saying the prices go up deal with it is crap bro. Of course prices go up but not like this.
I can bet, next year, we will get a 4070 and a 7600 rdna4 for $800 MSRP and people like you will say price go up deal with it. You guys are victims of flawed commercialization with price bumps explained by the common thing as inflation. Which is totally misleading and untrue.

I wasn't the one that mentioned inflation, that was the delusional poster before you.
I don't like the prices either, but manufacturers will charge what the market will bare and there's too many fools with money waiting to be parted from it.

Caring1I wasn't the one that mentioned inflation, that was the delusional poster before you.
I don't like the prices either, but manufacturers will charge what the market will bare and there's too many fools with money waiting to be parted from it.

Oh I can totally agree with that in full extent.

Vya Domus400$ is budget now ?

I'm wondering the same.
Always been a budget user myself, my most expensive brand new card I ever bought was a 200$+ Gigabyte Xtreme GTX 950 when it was new 'it was cheaper than the crappiest single fan 960'.

My current RX 570 was around 180$ in 2018 September from the second hand market but it still had 2 and half years warrantly left so fairly new.

400$ is far from a budget card especially when your country has 27% tax on everything and you don't exactly make that much money either.

Brand new RTX 2060 still goes for 400+$ 'non trash models' in my country so this will be way more than that.

I already gave up on these new cards and the retailers,I will just grab something from the second hand market in 2 months or so and be done with it.
Even from there I will have to pay like 330$ for a 5600 XT or anything in that performance range.