Monday, March 15th 2021
Intel Xe HPG Graphics Card Could Compete with Big Navi & Ampere
Intel started shipping their first Xe DG1 graphics card to OEMs earlier this year which features 4 GB of LPDDR4X and 80 execution units. While these initial cards aren't high performance and only compete with entry-level products like the NVIDIA MX350 they demonstrated Intel's ability to produce a discrete GPU. We have recently received some more potential performance information about Intel's next card the DG2 from chief GPU architect, Raja Koduri. Koduri posted an image of him with the team at Intel's Folsom lab working on the Intel Iris Pro 5200 iGPU back in 2012 and noted that now 9 years later their new GPU is over 20 times faster. The Intel Iris Pro 5200 scores 1015 on Videocard Benchmarks and ~1,400 points on 3DMark Fire Strike, if we assume these scores will be 20x more we get values of ~20,300 in Videocard Benchmarks and 28,000 points in Fire Strike. While these values don't extrapolate perfectly they provide a good indication of potential performance placing the GPU in the same realm of the NVIDIA RTX 3070 and AMD RX 6800.
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@Rajaontheedge
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512EU = 6.4x MX350
MX350 @ Timespy ~1340 points
6.4x MX350 ~8600 points
RTX 3080 / 6800XT @ Timespy ~ 16500 points
I have to assume this Xe HPG
1. Has perfect scaling with EUs
2. Will clock at least 3.0GHz (2x 1.5GHz found in a DG1 Spec)
ReAlLy iNtEl ?
scales across CUs
and hits almost 3ghz
EDIT: actually, not sure I would even want this simply because I dont think the jump is big enough, right now im very much into Red Dead Online and that runs on mixed settings at about 35 - 40 fps, not ideal but playable.
Looking at the 5600XT it does 40 fps on maxed settings with everything else being equal, that....is not enough of an upgrade for my taste.
RTX3060TI / RX6700XT is more what im looking for, maxed settings (ish, AA excluded) those pull 60 average.
I am just curious about other functions. I assume it is DX12U at least, compatible, right? So hopefully it will work with concept like DirectML.
Sounds like the spin machine is almost at full speed.
- DG1 is no speed demon but it does the job it was designed to do in the price/power envolope that was promised.
- Xe graphics on laptops are good enough that they match or beat current APU graphics from AMD.
- Intel's graphics drivers are still inferior to Nvidia and AMD but they've come a long way in the last few years and even with a few graphics issues I've not seen any really show-stopping issues yet.
- Intel's manufacturing may have problems but at least they have exclusve access to their fabs, unlike the backlogs for TSMC's 7nm causing supply issues.
I'm no fan of Intel, but at this point a third player in the market cannot fail to be a good thing for everyone.I doubt they'll be $200.Intel is not a charity; If their product can compete with a $400 offering from AMD/Nvidia, they're going to sell it for as close to that price as they can get away with because their goal is just profit above all else.
The best we can hope for is Intel underprices enough to make these things attractive and steals marketshare from AMD and nvidia which will prompt a return to undercutting each other on price. At the moment it's simply a demand > supply and Intel just needs to get products out there on the market in volume. Whatever they make is sure to sell.
If Intel builds these on their own fabs, albeit 14nm ++++ they should be able to supply way more than TMSC (AMD&Nvidia) even if it does use more power, whatever.
Maybe it will be great for mining ;)
edit - does anyone know where Intel will fab these? I remember some old headlines that said possibly TSMC??
Makes sense since Xe debuted on Tiger Lake which is also 10nm.
Whether that means that Intel can scale this up on 10nm or not is anyone's guess; Intel are playing their cards close their chest with how viable 10nm manufacturing is and nobody outside Intel really knows how good yields or scaling is. It's certainly better from the launch stunt of one Ice Lake i3 model with a broken IGP of 2019, but at the same time it's still broken enough that Rocket Lake wasn't viable on 10nm and Intel 7nm is currently scheduled for 2H 2023 at the earliest....
TSMC and Intel did make a deal last year, so don't rule it out.