xorbeWhat they should have done is let mining run "full speed" but inject a random bit flip every couple seconds so that the results are unusable. :D (Easy there, Satan!)

That's just like LHR with extra steps...

If you are thinking it would somehow harm crypto or something, it wouldn't.

Many miners don't want mining only cards. Miners calculate resale value of the card back into the gaming community (this is harder to do with mining only cards). This is either after they've recuperated the cost of the card and made a profit or if they just get cold feet and want to pull the ripcord. This is why we all need to exercise some discipline and never, never, never buy used cards from minors. If they feel like they can't offload their used cards that has to enter into their calculation when buying said cards in the first place.

People can complain about miners but if you buy used cards from them anywhere in the chain then you are contributing to the problem.

Xex360I don't think Scalpers are to blame anymore, the cards are expensive from the retailers already.
According to Hardware Unboxed, AIBs and the rest of the supply chain are to blame, which makes sense as the cards are priced double when available in stores here.

It's all of them. Not one of them is innocent.

I feel these scenarios coming:

1. This will temporarily slow down the mining craze, but as LHR and non-LHR GPUs come from the same chips, mining GPUs will be more scarce, fewer people can buy them and mine on them, eventually driving cryptocurrency values even higher. After a point, it might be worth it to mine even with LHR GPUs.

2. As long as the hash rate limiter isn't embedded in the hardware, it will be hacked.

3. Mining might slow down for a bit, but scalping definitely won't until there's ample supply of GPUs through retail channels.

All in all, nice effort, but only that - an effort, not a solution.

AusWolfI feel these scenarios coming:

1. This will temporarily slow down the mining craze, but as LHR and non-LHR GPUs come from the same chips, mining GPUs will be more scarce, fewer people can buy them and mine on them, eventually driving cryptocurrency values even higher. After a point, it might be worth it to mine even with LHR GPUs.

2. As long as the hash rate limiter isn't embedded in the hardware, it will be hacked.

3. Mining might slow down for a bit, but scalping definitely won't until there's ample supply of GPUs through retail channels.

All in all, nice effort, but only that - an effort, not a solution.

1. Miners would just switch to RX5000 and RX6000 GPUs for mining.
2. Timing is important, if the hash rate limiter persist for a couple of months then miners would lose out a bunch.
3. In-store purchase requirement would likely reduce scalping, well hopefully.

nguyen1. Miners would just switch to RX5000 and RX6000 GPUs for mining.
2. Timing is important, if the hash rate limiter persist for a couple of months then miners would lose out a bunch.
3. In-store purchase requirement would likely reduce scalping, well hopefully.

1. Radeon GPUs aren't so good for mining, I've heard, and they're even more scarce than nvidia.
2. If they lose out, that only drives crypto values higher, so there will be more profit in the long run.
3. I hope that's going to be a thing everywhere, not just a few select stores.

For a Gaming-segment Card to block mining would be really easy on a bios-level if encrypted and unflashable.
just write in the bios that compute stays disabled IF there is no reasonable 3D load detected at the same time.
So that a external workaround to get these cards to mining, would be a dummy-load of 3D, that high it would stay inefficient for mining.
EASY

Solaris17I have mixed feelings about controlling this and I dislike mining.

If I were a nvidia and was trying this. I wouldn't segment the market. I would make everything LHR except the /actual/ mining specific cards.

They aren't trying, that's just marketing.

Unless anyone believes the crash right now is because Nvidia released the LHR range? :D

AusWolfand they're even more scarce than nvidia.

They get scalped for less, so I'm skeptical that is the case.

AusWolf1. Radeon GPUs aren't so good for mining, I've heard, and they're even more scarce than nvidia.

It is not about being good. It is about being efficient and profitable. Right now, Ampere edges out RDNA2 at Ethereum mining but not by all that much. If Nvidia manages to mess with hashrate of their cards, it will make RDNA2 much more appealing for miners.

nguyen1. Miners would just switch to RX5000 and RX6000 GPUs for mining.
2. Timing is important, if the hash rate limiter persist for a couple of months then miners would lose out a bunch.
3. In-store purchase requirement would likely reduce scalping, well hopefully.

The issue is cards are expensive even bought from retailers, the prices doubled at least for Ampere and a bit less for AMD.

Yes lets hope bitcoin will sink, that is will be the best for us :)

As I read elsewhere this is one of the biggest PR white wash piles of BS I've ever seen.

Nvidia's own founders cards WONT have LHR only AIB card's.

And still one coin of thousands, anyone thinking Nvidia's saving pc gaming is confused, they're just re aligning to serve miner's better from the Pov of Nvidia's bottom line anyway.

TheoneandonlyMrKNvidia's own founders cards WONT have LHR only AIB card's.

I do not quite get the outrage about this one.

londisteI do not quite get the outrage about this one.

It just confirms its all bullshit really.

Vayra86It just confirms its all bullshit really.

How or why? Or which part being bullshit?
OK, maybe the part about Nvidia wanting to cash in with FE - although that depends on the prices they present which so far have been MSRP.
But AIB LHR should fullfill the purpose of not being attractive to miners, no?

londisteBut AIB LHR should fullfill the purpose of not being attractive to miners, no?

Do they and is it relevant? I doubt it. It is preaching to the choir and it handily avoids their own FEs to boot. If they were half serious they would LHR them all and should already have done so after/when they whined about all that Pascal stock they had after the last one.

The timing speaks volumes.

I do think LHR is relevant when we talk about GPUs intended for gaming not being bought for mining and thus driving up prices.
Remember that mining was not this type of problem when Ampere was released.

londisteI do not quite get the outrage about this one.

See vayra86 ,he got it. Yet, saying im outraged is too much.

And it's the re release with added no miner useless Bs that's dubious.

The fact that bought from Nvidia one's don't have it casts doubt on their efforts, looks more like they're increasing they're share of the pie by marginalizing the use of AIB in ETH mining than saving gaming.

This whole thread's here because LHR on Rx 3### ,so yeah it's relevant.

TheoneandonlyMrKThe fact that bought from Nvidia one's don't have it casts doubt on their efforts, looks more like they're increasing they're share of the pie by marginalizing the use of AIB in ETH mining than saving gaming.

FE's are a minor part of the supply anyway. Outside of their relationships with AIBs as a result of FE's not having LHR (is that confirmed?) why do we care?

Edit:
The part about FEs not getting LHR seems to come from Nvidia not mentioning FE models in the LHR announcement. We will have to wait and see but I doubt FE's get to be that much different.

londisteFE's are a minor part of the supply anyway. Outside of their relationships with AIBs as a result of FE's not having LHR (is that confirmed?) why do we care?

Edit:
The part about FEs not getting LHR seems to come from Nvidia not mentioning FE models in the LHR announcement. We will have to wait and see but I doubt FE's get to be that much different.

No a tuber was reporting that Nvidia announced their founder's ngen ti card's would not have LHR, so that hardware software lock's a bit meh clearly, as is Nvidia's push on LHR in it's entirety , meh ,who cares totes balls and as a folder I'll take no limitations and this market over artificial limitations, every time, and I could do with a new GPU, but still, No limits.

londisteFE's are a minor part of the supply anyway. Outside of their relationships with AIBs as a result of FE's not having LHR (is that confirmed?) why do we care?

Edit:
The part about FEs not getting LHR seems to come from Nvidia not mentioning FE models in the LHR announcement. We will have to wait and see but I doubt FE's get to be that much different.

We dont and we should not care. Its ALL bullshit to begin with. The headline alone should be completely dismissed and the fact TPU reports of it just as well.

All this really is, is static. The problem never was or will be with Nvidia nor their (in) ability to do something about it, or with it.

The problem isnt mining either. The problem at its core, is that we have completely lost the plot on what truly matters in life. Its not the value of your crypto coin of choice, that much is certain. Nor is it whether or not GPU X or Y is good or great or shite at mining.

The real problem is our own greed and stupidity. The principle that the value of a coin is somehow relevant. We are all knee deep into it and with being that, we have completely lost touch with whats actually important. Nvidia and all others are just pawns satisfying stupidity.

Money is not value. Thats the bottom line for every single human om this planet. Why cheer for this half assed PR move at all?! With or without LHR cards we still have a live and ongoing money making scheme at work. Nvidia has zero impact.

We are in IT here. Think abstraction layers. Its that simple. Crypto is simply an abstraction of human greed and it will not stop as long as wealth equals power - and crypto plus its distributed capabilities are precisely that, even with Proof of Stake to replace wasteful mining, which is whats about to happen, and the entire reason only naive fools believe a word of what Nv is doing.

Note; no personal insult intended, but as always.. here is that reality check for ya.