Friday, June 25th 2021

Thanks to Windows 11, Scalpers Buy Out Add-on TPM 2.0 Modules

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Most modern PC platforms include an fTPM (firmware trusted platform module) of some form. Those that don't, have a TPM 2.0 compatible header on the motherboards. Microsoft's requirement of a hardware TPM for Windows 11 has scalpers go after add-on TPMs, which are typically priced around $20, but now marked up to $100, according to price-tracking by Shen Ye, a senior HTC VIVE exec, who has been tracking prices of add-on TPMs on Twitter.

Scalpers possibly anticipate a rush of ill-informed buyers out for add-on TPMs, who haven't spent 5 minutes digging through their UEFI setup programs for the fTPM toggle. Below is a screenshot of a Ryzen 7 2700X-based machine, paired with an AMD B450 chipset motherboard (a platform from 2018), with its fTPM toggle turned on. The PC now meets Windows 11 system requirements. Windows 11 uses hardware TPMs for secure storage of credentials. "Microsoft, can you not impose a TPM requirement during a silicon shortage? Especially considering most desktop motherboards support TPM only as a purchasable accessory," Shen Ye tweeted.
Source: Shen Ye (Twitter)

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263 Comments on Thanks to Windows 11, Scalpers Buy Out Add-on TPM 2.0 Modules

#26
Makaveli
TheDeeGeeWell the TPM requirement was downgraded to 1.2 already.

Sooner or later it won't be needed at all.
Where was that officially posted?
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#27
erocker
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These scalpers are just wannabe future pharma CEO's.
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#28
Mac the Geek
OctopussWhat does the TPM thing do anyway? I have never ever heard it mentioned as being useful for anything.
It's an encryption module, whose function is to protect your data. Works hand-in-hand with stuff like BitLocker to encrypt your hard drive, so that if your drive is stolen, the thief can't read your tax returns and passwords.
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#29
Unregistered
Nobody really wants to support legacy hardware. But then I remember that white/blacklists where yeeted from the linux kernel because muh racism. Same with everywhere else i.e github.
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#30
Nash
AnoniemPeople will figure out something to crack it, it's Windows :p But damn, people were on the ball right after the announcement, A-holes. Imagine people walking into a store to get their PC updated and being told to pay another 50-150 besides the labour, that really sucks. Oh, and great eco friendly move from Microsoft now that I think of it. Wouldn't surprise me if people just bought a new laptop because their old one wasn't supported. Most older laptops can run Windows 10 just fine (2nd gen Intel and above, first gen Ryzen and above) provided that they have an SSD. I have no doubt that those machines can run Windows 11 just fine too. Thanks Microsoft! /s
Labor?

Seating one of these on a motherboard qualifies as labor?
(downsized pic)
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#31
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
I have a 7th gen intel CPU so my PC is not compatible but I run Linux anyway. Feels good to be free. Windows 11 will probably upload all of your computing history to the NSA. Just saying.
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#32
phanbuey
Easy RhinoI have a 7th gen intel CPU so my PC is not compatible but I run Linux anyway. Feels good to be free. Windows 11 will probably upload all of your computing history to the NSA. Just saying.
Your ISP and Cellphone already do it - M$ can't be left behind.

Also M$ will backtrack -- they're giving away the OS for marketshare, would make no sense to make a barrier to entry like this and stick to it. They need as much data as they can sell get.
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#33
defaultluser
My Sklake quad-core sytem with tpm 1.2 plus secure boot enabledin the bios, the tool still says no go.

This is a CLUNKY REQUIREMENT FOR CONSUMER DEVICES (REALLY, WHO RUNS BITLOCKER ON HOME DEVICES?)

Thy can just change it for Enterprise, and nobody would be bitching about the issues this will bring,

The worst part about the TPM spec: its motherboard-specific (so theres no no healthy market of third-party TPM modules available to handle this spike)
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#34
TheDeeGee
Easy RhinoI have a 7th gen intel CPU so my PC is not compatible but I run Linux anyway. Feels good to be free. Windows 11 will probably upload all of your computing history to the NSA. Just saying.
But you're using the Internet?
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#35
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
I see ms facing antitrust suit again
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#36
Makaveli
TheDeeGeeBut you're using the Internet?
lol let him believe he is safe on his linux machine.
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#37
lexluthermiester
trparkyAre you f**kin' kidding me? Seriously, these scalpers need to burn in hell already.
Right there with you.
trparkyThankfully, I don't need a TPM chip; it's built into my processor.
Wait, on chip? Are they doing that now? Last time I checked TPM was a motherboard bound thing...
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#38
Makaveli
lexluthermiesterWait, on chip? Are they doing that now? Last time I checked TPM was a motherboard bound thing...
Last I heard this was true, on the AMD side its built into AGESA.
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#39
MxPhenom 216
ASIC Engineer
trparkyAre you f**kin' kidding me? Seriously, these scalpers need to burn in hell already.

Thankfully, I don't need a TPM chip; it's built into my processor.
It still doesn't work. I just tried the compatibility tool on my 8700k and with both PTT and dTPM enabled in BIOS neither option passed. So don't be too thankful.
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#40
Nash
MxPhenom 216It still doesn't work. I just tried the compatibility tool on my 8700k and with both PTT and dTPM enabled in BIOS neither option passed. So don't be too thankful.
Who made the module? I just got an Asus brand for an Asus board with an 8700K. Asus built two TPM's only one works with a Z390. Not meaning version levels, there are two distinct builds of V.2
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#41
MxPhenom 216
ASIC Engineer
NashWho made the module? I just got an Asus brand for an Asus board with an 8700K. Asus built two TPM's only one works with a Z390. Not meaning version levels, there are two distinct builds of V.2
All my board has is a slot for a module. the options in bios enable that slot, but needs to be populated. I have an MSI z370 board.
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#42
Anoniem
NashLabor?

Seating one of these on a motherboard qualifies as labor?

Nope, I mean getting the machine upgraded from Windows 10 to Windows 11 and making a backup of the original install. And yeah, I know it's labor :P Had a long day.
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#43
AAF Optimus
Audio Modder
Gentlemen, I learned today of a Library (DLL) capable of removing TPM 2.0/UEFI/SecureBoot requirements from Windows 11. Please let me know here if you also know anything about it. I'll look into the information.
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#44
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
TheDeeGeeBut you're using the Internet?
Using a VPN that routes through two other countries.
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#45
Unregistered
Apparently you can just delete "appraiserres.dll" from your installation source and it will get rid of the check.
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#46
AAF Optimus
Audio Modder
Alan FinottyGentlemen, I learned today of a Library (DLL) capable of removing TPM 2.0/UEFI/SecureBoot requirements from Windows 11. Please let me know here if you also know anything about it. I'll look into the information.
Gentlemen, I think it worked for me.
Before:



Later:

Gruffalo.SoldierApparently you can just delete "appraiserres.dll" from your installation source and it will get rid of the check.
Or replace it with an identical one, but from an earlier version of Windows 10.
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#47
Nash
MxPhenom 216All my board has is a slot for a module. the options in bios enable that slot, but needs to be populated. I have an MSI z370 board.
I don't know about MSI. I saw a couple of comments from people saying 'theirs' failed so they retried, retried and it finally worked, maybe try again?
lexluthermiesterRight there with you.

Wait, on chip? Are they doing that now? Last time I checked TPM was a motherboard bound thing...
AMD built it in. The plugin module isn't in retail packages, they get another $20 for a separate box. Now MS is selling it for them for $39.
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#48
lexluthermiester
MakaveliLast I heard this was true, on the AMD side its built into AGESA.
Fair enough, did not know that.
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#50
Makaveli
lynx29I switched to Linux Mint latest beta about an hour ago... loving every damn second of it. Seriously no need for Windows anymore, unless you only care about AAA latest games.

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/i-just-switched-to-linux-mint-latest-beta-release-i-am-freaking-in-love-take-care-windows-10-and-11-lmao.283820/
Um some of us work on our machines and need windows?

So the last part about only if you care about AAA latest games not 100% accurate.
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