so we will prob get 13gb reads and writes as standard nvme drive now... wow. crazy.

RIP PS5 storage... you are already outdated. well you will be in one year.

25 watts this may require active cooling...lol.

Who cares? Even bog standard SSD's from 6 or 7 years ago are fast enough for your average joe. Still not taking any steps to eradicate spinning rust.

No doubt these will once again cost an arm and a leg for pitiful capacity.

Feels like most companies halfassed their PCIe 4.0 drives in favor for 5.0.

TumbleGeorge25 watts this may require active cooling...lol.

what does a gen 4 drive like the SN850 use watt wise?

dicktracyFeels like most companies halfassed their PCIe 4.0 drives in favor for 5.0.

What 5.0?

There are no 5.0 drives yet but you already declare it better built than 4.0?
Perhaps wait for benchmarks. Gen5 wont be a thing on mainstream desktop systems until 2023 at the earliest (or whenever Zen 4 launces, assuming it even supports 5.0 from the chipset).

TumbleGeorge25 watts this may require active cooling...lol.

Well, duh. This is going to go in a server where there's going to be plenty of airflow. Notice the E3.S form factor which isn't a thing on desktops/workstations but is quickly taking over 2.5" as the standard form factor in servers.

BluesFanUKWho cares? Even bog standard SSD's from 6 or 7 years ago are fast enough for your average joe. Still not taking any steps to eradicate spinning rust.

No doubt these will once again cost an arm and a leg for pitiful capacity.

Enterprise isn't your average Joe, though...
And yeah, they won't be cheap, but that's not really the primary concern in the enterprise space.

lynx29so we will prob get 13gb reads and writes as standard nvme drive now... wow. crazy.

RIP PS5 storage... you are already outdated. well you will be in one year.

PS5 storage is barely up to date man...pcs have had this kind of storage speeds for years now.

dicktracyFeels like most companies halfassed their PCIe 4.0 drives in favor for 5.0.

That's a pretty hard position to take when the majority of second generation PCIe 4.0 drives slam into the 4.0x4 link speed limit.

yeeeemanPS5 storage is barely up to date man...pcs have had this kind of storage speeds for years now.

PS5 storage I thought gets like 5k read/write? that's only very recent for PC's... and PC's don't utilize them for games yet, that won't come until Win 11 and DX 12 Ultimate/Direct Storage.

but PS5 games are using it now...

so...

BluesFanUKWho cares? Even bog standard SSD's from 6 or 7 years ago are fast enough for your average joe. Still not taking any steps to eradicate spinning rust.

No doubt these will once again cost an arm and a leg for pitiful capacity.

More speed is more-er! And despite what some may say, there is a difference between sata and NVMe if you are running both the game and OS from a single drive, especially if you have background tasks and other programs open. sata III drives feel closer to dinosaurs once you geet used to the responsiveness of NVMe.

And with direct storage coming of age finally and games getting ever larger (not to mention the lowest common denominator in consoles going from a 5400rpm disk to high end 970 pro esq storage speeds) we'll start to see games take advantage of NVMe speeds soon.

lynx29PS5 storage I thought gets like 5k read/write? that's only very recent for PC's... and PC's don't utilize them for games yet, that won't come until Win 11 and DX 12 Ultimate/Direct Storage.

but PS5 games are using it now...

so...

Oh wow, 5k read wrtie? AMAZING!!!!!!!

Oh wait, PC drives already hit 7.8-7.9k read/write.

And PC games are using NVMe just as much as PS5 games, EG not at all since the same games still load and arguably run/look better on the series X then PS5....

So.....

TheinsanegamerNMore speed is more-er! And despite what some may say, there is a difference between sata and NVMe if you are running both the game and OS from a single drive, especially if you have background tasks and other programs open. sata III drives feel closer to dinosaurs once you geet used to the responsiveness of NVMe.

And with direct storage coming of age finally and games getting ever larger (not to mention the lowest common denominator in consoles going from a 5400rpm disk to high end 970 pro esq storage speeds) we'll start to see games take advantage of NVMe speeds soon.

Oh wow, 5k read wrtie? AMAZING!!!!!!!

Oh wait, PC drives already hit 7.8-7.9k read/write.

And PC games are using NVMe just as much as PS5 games, EG not at all since the same games still load and arguably run/look better on the series X then PS5....

So.....

Incorrect. MS has yet to implement DirectStorage for PC Games. Windows 11 required for it.

PS5 games technically load faster than even a SN 850 on same game on Win 10 PC.

Nice try.

lynx29Incorrect. MS has yet to implement DirectStorage for PC Games. Windows 11 required for it.

Did I say that windows had implemented it yet? Nope, I said it was on its way. Nice try at communicating though, you might get the hang of it eventually.

lynx29PS5 games technically load faster than even a SN 850 on same game on Win 10 PC.

You got a source to back up that claim?

TheinsanegamerNOh wow, 5k read wrtie? AMAZING!!!!!!!

Oh wait, PC drives already hit 7.8-7.9k read/write.

And PC games are using NVMe just as much as PS5 games, EG not at all since the same games still load and arguably run/look better on the series X then PS5....

So.....

First of all, no drive is hitting 7800-7900MB/s read/write right now. 8000MB/s is the upper theoretical limit of 4.0x4.
~7000MB/s read/write is only possible on the newest generation of Gen 4 drives like the SN850 or 980 Pro, which are very recent drives. (<9 months since launch)
5000MB/s is where most Gen 4 drives were at launch which has only been available on consumer platforms since Ryzen 3000 in mid 2019. That's also fairly recent.

TheinsanegamerNDid I say that windows had implemented it yet? Nope, I said it was on its way. Nice try at communicating though, you might get the hang of it eventually.

'are using' here:

TheinsanegamerNPC games are using NVMe just as much as PS5 games

is present tense, indicating it's the current state of affairs. So yes, you did say it was implemented, which is incorrect. Nice try at communicating though, you might get the hang of it eventually.
You do contradict yourself a couple times in your replies

PS5 storage does more than 5k read and write sony also has compression in use there that boost the numbers.

I can see this being very useful for auto applications... for large amounts of storage being required for Tesla's and then OTA data transfer for the autopilot machine learning capability... fast read/write is going to be a must in next-gen automated travel... It'll be interesting to see new tech come out for hardened applications like the auto industry where PC's and storage are working in harsh environments...

MakaveliPS5 storage does more than 5k read and write sony also has compression in use there that boost the numbers.

ye got my back. :rockout:

My question is whether or not Microsoft's upcoming Windows 11 DirectStorage API will be able to handle PCI 5 speeds up to 15.7GB. Hence, what are the API's speed caps?

makotsMy question is whether or not Microsoft's upcoming Windows 11 DirectStorage API will be able to handle PCI 5 speeds up to 15.7GB. Hence, what are the API's speed caps?

Much more important is minimal speed when load many small files, maximal is not problem. Max speed is enough to load many GB for seconds or below.

Nothing beats the Intel Optane P5800X SSD when it comes to overall performance. 3rd gen Optane (Crow Pass) is on its way to be launched along side Sapphire Rapids and there a chance for the SSD variant to be PCIe 5.0 compliant (which will be most likely needed for CXL memory pooling). Intel's Raptor Lake will most likely be the first consumer platform with PCIe 5.0 support for SSDs on Z790 motherboards.

14GB/s SSDs? yes please. No need for a RAMDRIVE anymore with those speeds. Hopefully the prices will go down to SATA drives in the near future...