Thursday, September 2nd 2021

Possible Intel 12th Gen Core Pricing Leaked, i9-12900K Costs 741€

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The top Intel 12th Gen Core "Alder Lake-S" 8+8 (P+E) cores processor will cost 741€ including taxes, according to a leaked document revealing retail channel prices of various upcoming 12th Gen Core desktop processors. It also speaks of the i9-12900KF, the "almost-flagship" part that comes with a disabled iGPU, going for up to 708€ (incl taxes).

The Core i7-12700K, the 8+4 (P+E) cores part that lacks Thermal Velocity Boost, will go for up to 524€ (incl taxes). Its "KF" twin will be about 20€ cheaper. The mid-tier Core i5-12600K processor (6 P-cores and 4 E-cores), is going for up to 365€. Not long ago, this was the roughly the price of Intel's top mainstream-desktop processors (such as the i7-7700K). The iGPU-devoid i5-12600KF will go for 333€. Intel is expected to debut its 12th Gen Core desktop processors and compatible Socket LGA1700 motherboards in Q4-2021, along the sidelines of the Windows 11 launch. The first wave of processors are expected to only be unlocked K or KF parts, with locked ones only arriving in early Q1-2022.
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65 Comments on Possible Intel 12th Gen Core Pricing Leaked, i9-12900K Costs 741€

#1
napata
What a clickbait title: three prices and then pick the highest one for the title. These prices are useless as an indicator for the real prices anyway. 11900K costs 670€! Oh wait, I can buy one right now at 520€.

Well, I guess we can compare them in relative terms with the 12900K being more expensive than the 11900k.

Edit: I guess the third store is the most accurate for prices around here as the 11900k was around that price at launch.
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#2
Space Lynx
Astronaut
AMD has had a surplus of CPU's for a month now, they can't sell anymore CPU's cause there are no GPU's for anyone to buy. I imagine Intel will be in a similar boat.
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#3
Crackong
With this price chart I would question the performance of the 12900k.
I don't believe Intel would price their CPU lower than their competitor's counterpart if they really had the performance advantage.
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#4
AnarchoPrimitiv
lynx29AMD has had a surplus of CPU's for a month now, they can't sell anymore CPU's cause there are no GPU's for anyone to buy. I imagine Intel will be in a similar boat.
That's a good point. Although, right now I'm considering upgrading my 2700x for a 3700x/5800x once intel releases these and I see where prices go....obviously I won't be upgrading my 5700xt for a while though, but I can imagine there's at least a few people in my boat who are looking for a new CPU for an upgrade rather than a brand new system build.
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#5
VulkanBros
AnarchoPrimitivThat's a good point. Although, right now I'm considering upgrading my 2700x for a 3700x/5800x once intel releases these and I see where prices go....obviously I won't be upgrading my 5700xt for a while though, but I can imagine there's at least a few people in my boat who are looking for a new CPU for an upgrade rather than a brand new system build.
I am in the same boat - upgrading my 2700x to 5800x or wait for a build with AM5 (ZEN 4?) - not considering going back to Intel....so they can price them whatever they want ;)
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#6
Melvis
$200 more then a 5950X here in Australia, hmmmmm
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#7
JalleR
AnarchoPrimitivThat's a good point. Although, right now I'm considering upgrading my 2700x for a 3700x/5800x once intel releases these and I see where prices go....obviously I won't be upgrading my 5700xt for a while though, but I can imagine there's at least a few people in my boat who are looking for a new CPU for an upgrade rather than a brand new system build.
Hehe Samer here

My 6900K needs and upgrade, well so does my 1080TI but we all know how that will go ordered my first 3080 back in september.... :D back in spetember :D ........

Well 650 for an top tear CPU isn't that normal ? and again Remember how long the Rocket lake was at a high price :D 14 Days here...... LOL
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#8
Chrispy_
Ouch.

8 cores competitive with Zen3, and 8 cores not competitive with Zen3, and 30MB cache should not be priced higher than a 5950X with 16 Zen3 cores and 72MB cache.

Whether this leak is accurate or not, Alder Lake has a lot to prove and IPC gains over Rocket Lake should be looked at in context if they require DDR5 to happen.
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#10
ratirt
It would seem a steep price for those i9's considering I could get 5900X for a lot cheaper. At least I hope the performance for the i9 will be there.
Chrispy_8 cores competitive with Zen3, and 8 cores not competitive with Zen3, and 30MB cache should not be priced higher than a 5950X with 16 Zen3 cores and 72MB cache.
The 12900K is not more expensive than a 5950X in Norway. If the price put by OP turns out to be accurate.
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#11
napata
Chrispy_Ouch.

8 cores competitive with Zen3, and 8 cores not competitive with Zen3, and 30MB cache should not be priced higher than a 5950X with 16 Zen3 cores and 72MB cache.

Whether this leak is accurate or not, Alder Lake has a lot to prove and IPC gains over Rocket Lake should be looked at in context if they require DDR5 to happen.
Well, if the performance leaks are true then the average core in AL is faster than the average core in Zen 3. It's also a good deal cheaper than the 5950x going by the 11900K price.

I'm going to bet that early DDR5 is going to be a good deal slower than high end DDR4, atleast for games. For most games latency > raw bandwidth.
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#12
ZoneDymo
ouch.....that pretty expensive but then the 12900k is pretty much a halo product, the 12700k seems a much better purchase (though im still bewildered by the fact that the main thing different between the 700 and 900 is 4 extra...eco cores, that is just odd.

guess its a good time once again to wait....to see what AMD comes up with.
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#13
AusWolf
It looks like Intel is restructuring its product line-up with 12th gen. My 11700 is essentially a non-overclockable, slightly slower 11900K that I bought for around £300. I don't know why reviewers hate it - for me it was a no-brainer, especially now, considering that you won't be able to make the same bargain with 12th gen.
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#14
Chrispy_
ratirtThe 12900K is not more expensive than a 5950X in Norway. If the price put by OP turns out to be accurate.
These leaked prices are almost always the x1000 quantity prices. Once you factor in retailer markup and current supply/demand/scalping there's no way you can compare actual street price of a 5950X to the pre-launch MSRP target of an unreleased processor.

Again, just speculation and this is an unverified leak from the Netherlands, where actual street prices on CPUs are around 20% higher than list price anyway.
napataWell, if the performance leaks are true then the average core in AL is faster than the average core in Zen 3. It's also a good deal cheaper than the 5950x going by the 11900K price.
Yeah, in cherry picked tests like geekbench, sure.

I'm not doubting that Intel have closed the gap but until independent reviews confirm it, we'll continue to cast doubt on leaked performance in select tests with no controlled baseline. Decades of this have proven them to be inaccurate, so you'll have to forgive my lack of trust in leaked one-off geekbench scores.
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#15
ratirt
Chrispy_These leaked prices are almost always the x1000 quantity prices. Once you factor in retailer markup and current supply/demand/scalping there's no way you can compare actual street price of a 5950X to the pre-launch MSRP target of an unreleased processor.

Again, just speculation and this is an unverified leak from the Netherlands, where actual street prices on CPUs are around 20% higher than list price anyway.
If that is the case then this CPU is a flop to me despite if it is few % faster in single. In MT apps 5950x will still be faster.
Chrispy_Again, just speculation and this is an unverified leak from the Netherlands, where actual street prices on CPUs are around 20% higher than list price anyway.
Come to think of the price. I thought one of the reasons Intel went with Big.Little is the more cores and less power and less price. I guess the latter one makes no sense since the price is not lower.
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#16
AusWolf
ratirtCome to think of the price. I thought one of the reasons Intel went with Big.Little is the more cores and less power and less price. I guess the latter one makes no sense since the price is not lower.
I think they went with big.little because they can't squeeze more cores into their CPUs with their current processes without significantly increasing power consumption and heat output. Not that the average user needs more than 8 cores anyway, but that's a different story. I think Alder Lake is just a stop gap until their 7 and 5 nm fabs are ready for production.
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#17
Chrispy_
ratirtCome to think of the price. I thought one of the reasons Intel went with Big.Little is the more cores and less power and less price. I guess the latter one makes no sense since the price is not lower.
I believe big.LITTLE from Intel is because Intel's 10nm cannot run *cove cores at reasonable clocks in an energy-efficient way. That's why all-core power consumption on things like the 11900K result in 350W PL2 under some circumstances.

I could be wrong on this, but watching the presentation from Intel on Alder Lake, it looks like the primary goal of the E-cores is to tame the power consumption of heavily-threaded workloads. It's why I'm surprised they stopped at 8 E-cores when a productivity-focused i9 would likely benefit from being a 6C/16c part rather than 8C/8c. Denverton and Avoton Atom servers have proved the scalability of their E-core Tremont-based architecture for heavily-threaded workloads. Trading two P-cores for 8 E-cores seems like a great option.
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#18
BSim500
lynx29AMD has had a surplus of CPU's for a month now, they can't sell anymore CPU's cause there are no GPU's for anyone to buy. I imagine Intel will be in a similar boat.
Indeed. A lot of people have wizened up to the fact there's no point over-spending on the CPU today if GPU shortages are here for another year or two. Also no point in rushing to be an early adopter of DDR5 given it typically takes a year or two to "settle down" and for the equivalent of +2666 to become the norm instead of 2133-2400. Better to save your money and then buy a CPU that's actually 2 years newer in 2 years time (by which time Socket 1700 will have been replaced with Socket 1701 or whatever anyway...)
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#19
ThrashZone
lynx29AMD has had a surplus of CPU's for a month now, they can't sell anymore CPU's cause there are no GPU's for anyone to buy. I imagine Intel will be in a similar boat.
Hi,
Indeed onboard graphic's need a come back for sure.

On another note
Think the closest comparison of 12900k until amd drops another chip is 5950x price and maybe performance if leaked benchs are true.

So with that in mind don't believe the price will stay as high as suggested Intel always drops price or at least retailers do eventually if they don't sell
Heck 11900k is just now down 150.us so he/ she who waits usually saves a lot of money on either red or blue team products.
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#20
ratirt
ThrashZoneThink the closest comparison of 12900k until amd drops another chip is 5950x price and maybe performance if leaked benchs are true.
I seriously doubt that 12900k will compete with 5950X. Maybe in terms of core count but performance not likely. You have to keep in mind that the 8+8 consist of big and small cores. I doubt the small cores can keep up with Zen3 cores in any given scenario.
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#21
ThrashZone
ratirtI seriously doubt that 12900k will compete with 5950X. Maybe in terms of core count but performance not likely. You have to keep in mind that the 8+8 consist of big and small cores. I doubt the small cores can keep up with Zen3 cores in any given scenario.
HI,
I did say If Leaked Benches Are True lol it would be the closest comparison ;)
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#22
ratirt
ThrashZoneHI,
I did say If Leaked Benches Are True lol it would be the closest comparison ;)
don't want to bust your bubble but leaked benchmarks are as true as people saying they have been kidnapped by a UFO. Maybe it's true, maybe not but we will never know for sure :)
I get it though what you are saying :)
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#23
ThrashZone
Hi,
Single core performance has been very impressive on 11 series chips so should be interesting on 12 series too plus 12's other features :D

Saw someones bios settings on a z590 board looks like asus at least added a pch vccin setting this is similar to hedt/ x299 chips bios options
His showed the vccin voltage was close too at 1.7v+- so this is very interesting addition :cool:
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#24
TheDeeGee
Why pay 741 when there is also one for 653.

As mentioned, clickbait.
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#25
Prima.Vera
Scumbag prices, just like NGreedia. Too bad the people are stupid enough to pay for those callous prices....
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