Interesting pricing.... Guessing intel expects the 12900k to be slower than the 5950X given the price but it would be really cool if it was faster.

Well, they obviously know from their own internal testing that they have the current Ryzen CPU's beat in benchmarks, so feel they can get back into their bad old habits of pricing to what they think the customer & market will tolerate rather than having to price match or beat the competition.

I hate to say it, but if serious reviews confirm the leaked performance, it’s a fair pricing.

Not bad. I guess this will put some pressure on AMD's pricing?

Early adopter tax.
We don't even have any real proof of how much extra performance the E-cores add, or whether they work as seamlessly as Intel are promising.
Maybe it's going to be great, but it always pays to let independent reviewers test and critique new shit rather than blindly buying it based on marketing lies.

Hi,
I might be in trouble if 12900k ever shows add to cart lol

My body is ready. This 5800x going straight to ebay

Lol my kid will probably get a 5900X to play Roblox on :laugh:

Scalpers have already pre-ordered everything hehe and will sell for 2 to 3 times higher than what they will pay and they know stocks will take time to renew, price there is just marketing hehe

MetroidScalpers have already pre-ordered everything hehe and will sell for 2 to 3 times higher than what they will pay and they know stocks will take time to renew, price there is just marketing hehe

That's the one great thing about MicroCenter - you need to buy in person.

In all seriousness, I can't thank the governments enough for fucking up the economy and causing such turmoil. I hear Caribou is working on stockpiling coffee beans because they think there could be a "shortage" coming up.....if Caribou is doing this, then you know Starbucks is and Hortons will be doing the same thing. Them over buying will create an artificial shortage which in turn puts more undo stress on the distributors and the effects of it all are felt from the distributors all the way down to the individual that buys product from these coffee companies.

MetroidScalpers have already pre-ordered everything hehe and will sell for 2 to 3 times higher than what they will pay and they know stocks will take time to renew, price there is just marketing hehe

This is Intel not AMD. AMD only had 1M Zen 3 desktop chips when Zen 3 launched, which is why the scalpers took control for ~6 months. My guess is this will look like any other Intel launch, the first batch will last about a week then get scarce, and within 6 weeks there will be plenty of supply at MSRP.

On the performance side, I'm not real enthused about having to upgrade to Win 11 to get the benefit. It makes getting anything above a 12400 kind of dubious if you want to stay on Win 10 or don't want to spend $200 on the upgrade (Pro cost). A lot of DIY types will probably fail to note this and thus not factor it into the cost of the upgrade, but DIY is a tiny part of a small (desktop) market.

I really kind of rate this as both incremental in terms of performance (so Intel can beat 5900X now and jab at the 5950X), but an important step in getting things like big.LITTLE, PCIe 5.0, and DDR5 into the mainstream. Intel is moving fast now and Gelsinger is clearly willing to spend money to be #1 again. AMD will need to pull a rabbit out in 2022 with Zen 3+ and Zen 4 else face a repeat the FX days.

MetroidScalpers have already pre-ordered everything hehe and will sell for 2 to 3 times higher than what they will pay and they know stocks will take time to renew, price there is just marketing hehe

:laugh:

No one is gonna scalp these, you crazy. Just look at the share price tanking while Gelsinger is trying to fluff it the hell up on cnbc.

RandallFlaggThis is Intel not AMD.

I think although not sure, this 10nm is done by tmsc, so if true then it means it will have supply issues like amd had with the 5xxx series and scalpers know this ehhe, yeah they will try many ways to sort out the scalper issue, lets see how they will do.

neatfeatguyThat's the one great thing about MicroCenter - you need to buy in person.

Spoiler: Rest

In all seriousness, I can't thank the governments enough for fucking up the economy and causing such turmoil. I hear Caribou is working on stockpiling coffee beans because they think there could be a "shortage" coming up.....if Caribou is doing this, then you know Starbucks is and Hortons will be doing the same thing. Them over buying will create an artificial shortage which in turn puts more undo stress on the distributors and the effects of it all are felt from the distributors all the way down to the individual that buys product from these coffee companies.

Hi,
Not usually on intel chips
AMD chips newer 5k series were on first release though.

pass on the 12900k, I'm looking for 32 cores to further bottleneck my CPU by my GPU & monitor while playing Civ V. Maybe the 14900k? Hopefully IPC still remains grounded on the 14900k when is comes out as I wouldn't want Intel to break tradition.

MetroidI think although not sure, this 10nm is done by tmsc, so if true then it means it will have supply issues like amd had with the 5xxx series and scalpers know this ehhe, yeah they will try many ways to sort out the scalper issue, lets see how they will do.

Non, this is Intel 10ESF - an enhanced version of the 10SF Finfet node - now called Intel 7. They're calling it Intel 7 now because nobody understands that Intel 10nm is roughly equal in density to most others 7nm nodes, i.e. 'nm' is a meaningless term for a node these days.

Nice prices, AMD shouldn't have raise their prices, they will probably end up paying for it

Now Intel is AMD.

What about the rumors of these chips not being great overclockers and getting up to 400w at over 5GHz?

Edit: www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/intel-alder-lake-doesnt-look-like-an-overclockers-dream.288127/

Not happy about the prices, but if the performance is there to justify it then we can talk. Biggest concern is going to be updates internally to manage how these processors act in the real world (Using performance cores when needed and efficiency for other tasks). I think it could be really cool in the long run, I do like the premise.

MetroidI think although not sure, this 10nm is done by tmsc, so if true then it means it will have supply issues like amd had with the 5xxx series and scalpers know this ehhe, yeah they will try many ways to sort out the scalper issue, lets see how they will do.

i don't think so, tsmc was for the gpus. Not sure

CrAsHnBuRnXpWhat about the rumors of these chips not being great overclockers and getting up to 400w at over 5GHz?

Edit: www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/intel-alder-lake-doesnt-look-like-an-overclockers-dream.288127/

Hi,
Well having a 14 core 9940x 400w isn't all that uncommon lol
12900k has 2 more cores and more threads and a ton more cache so 400w sounds bitchin at 5.0 but I believe turbo is 5.2 :D

neatfeatguyThat's the one great thing about MicroCenter - you need to buy in person.

In all seriousness, I can't thank the governments enough for fucking up the economy and causing such turmoil. I hear Caribou is working on stockpiling coffee beans because they think there could be a "shortage" coming up.....if Caribou is doing this, then you know Starbucks is and Hortons will be doing the same thing. Them over buying will create an artificial shortage which in turn puts more undo stress on the distributors and the effects of it all are felt from the distributors all the way down to the individual that buys product from these coffee companies.

A bit OT but true story on prices. Last Sept when gas prices were really low (like under $2/gal) I traded my truck in on a mfr cert used hybrid lincoln mkz with just under 25k miles @$19,200. At the time nobody wanted hybrids. Then in Jan/Feb I was moving, wifes minivan broke down and part wasn't available for 6 weeks and it was at 120k miles, so I traded it on on a grand caravan GT @45k miles cost 16,500. Now mind you, at that time I really thought I was being taken for a ride and wasting money but I didn't want two vehicles with 100K+ miles.


I looked this morning and the same model hybrid MKZ (13 months later and older) lowest price within 300 miles of me with under 30k miles is asking 28K. The same model minivan with 46k miles is $24,000. That is around +40% increased cost to buy the same vehicles and they would be +8 months and +13 months older.

On top of all that, I sold and bought a house for 268K earlier this year (new build). Same floorplan same house on smaller lot in same subdivision sells for 330K now. That is like +25%.

Even the 10850K I bought in Q1 at $299 is selling for like 10-30% more now.

So yeah, something is broken.

Bomby569Nice prices, AMD shouldn't have raise their prices, they will probably end up paying for it

Now Intel is AMD.

A $50 price increase is nothing.

And once we see what DDR5 is going to cost anyone doing a new build with ADL-S will be the ones paying for it.

I'll upgrade when 15900K comes out by that time perhaps Intel will become more competitive and genuinely care about its customers. all these promised upgrades PCIE 5 and DDR5 and we still don't have an idea about the z690 motherboard's capabilities and how it will put all that into good use. Good things come to those who WAIT.

RandallFlaggNon, this is Intel 10ESF - an enhanced version of the 10SF Finfet node - now called Intel 7. They're calling it Intel 7 now because nobody understands that Intel 10nm is roughly equal in density to most others 7nm nodes, i.e. 'nm' is a meaningless term for a node these days.

In actual nm facts..Alder lake is 7nm. Intel delayed their 7nm node sixteen months ago (for ~one year) to retool and improve yield. A little birdy told me initial ADL runs are on a replicated TSMC node and will shift back to Intel foundries once the optimized 7nm Intel node is ready to go. Meaning, initial ADL runs on Intel nodes have already begun. ARC runs will stay with TSMC for the foreseeable future per Intel's business strategy plans.