birdieI've checked the sources and indeed DLSS uses Tensor Cores.

You can probably run this logic on shaders but shaders already do shaders, so any additional load will slow down your game, therefore moving this logic from free to use tensor cores to shaders could result not in a performance gain but a performance loss.

Drivers source code is also there. It's a treasure trove of highly confidential info. NVIDIA might as well make DLSS open source (not necessarily under licenses like GPL but something proprietary e.g. like Epic or Crytek do with their engines).

I've downloaded the entire archive and I'm now repacking it because it was not optimally compressed. I expect it to come off at less than 8GB vs 18GB leaked by the hackers.

RidgeIf not it should be.

mouacykIs there a potential concern for hostile/harmful takeover of remote GPU's, via either drivers or GFE?

MikeMurphyIP theft isn't something to celebrate.

The bigger problem that may arise are security vulnerabilities brought on by the release of the source code.

heni87Corporations especially ones like nvidia with monopoloistic as well as manuplative business practices deserve it!

wahdangunisn't that a good thing ?

wahdangunisn't that a good thing ?

Chrispy_Nvidia have burned away most, if not all of their goodwill from their consumer customers that put them on the map.

In the last decade Nvidia have fragmented APIs to lockout the competition as much as possible, made proprietary shit and charged silly money for it instead of contributing to the sector as a whole (SLI, G-Sync, PhysX, RTX, CUDA, GameWorks to name just a few), contributed as little as absolutely necessary to the opensource community, obfuscated driver features as an anticompetitive measure, plied game developers with black-box, Nvidia-optimised tools instead of contributing to existing tools that were in use for cross-platform development, and all of this is just the headline stuff in the consumer market only.

If you want to know how they've micro-segmented the pro and enterprise market with arbitrary driver limitations for basic stuff like virtual machines, compute, AI, I could rant for days. It's all a massive attempt to cash-grab and monopolise.

wolfOn Turing at least RT+ Tensor cores combined account for at most 8-10% of die area, not exactly robbing most people of a bucketload extra performance that could have been CUDA cores. I'm all for improving graphics and adding innovative features instead of strictly more/better/faster of the same.

Native isn't perfection all the time either, far from it, and in fact often DLSS can improve on aspects of Native, especially when paired with meh TAA.

Use your graphics card however you'd like, naturally, but from where I'm sitting it's 8-10% die area put to great use.

MikeMurphyIP theft isn't something to celebrate.

The bigger problem that may arise are security vulnerabilities brought on by the release of the source code.

MikeMurphyThe bigger problem that may arise are security vulnerabilities brought on by the release of the source code.

ratirtI'm like 100% sure, nobody will use NV specific coding for anything. How would they use it if they don't have the hardware backing it up right?
So, most of the accusations are pointless about contaminating the code. Getting an idea of how to do things is more likely although as some developers showed, same effect or goal can be achieved in many different ways. I think in general, people and customers will benefit from that leak. It really doesnt change a thing even if the code somewhat proves they've been dishonest about the hardware etc. Wouldn't be the first time either and people still love them.

birdieI've downloaded the entire archive and I'm now repacking it because it was not optimally compressed. I expect it to come off at less than 8GB vs 18GB leaked by the hackers.

nguyenWell let hope some AMD engineers can look at the internal working of DLSS from the leaked source code and create a more competitive upscaler to DLSS.

ChomiqLast I checked that's called IP theft.

bobalazsLinux users prefer

human_errorMuch as I dislike how locked down Nvidia keeps a lot of their features this is not something to be celebrated. I work in the software industry and this won't help any competitors - they all have to make sure that engineers don't get contaminated with source code they can't use as even just reading some of it or the overall approach can influence how they would approach a problem in an IP infringing way. Engineers who work on some projects where they can see code the wider business can't use are blacklisted from some projects for years so that no claims of IP theft can be made.

The community won't benefit from this as AMD and Intel engineers won't touch it, and any other groups who do will be sued into the ground if it looks like they've based their work on Nvidia code, even if they haven't, as they'd need to pay for a defense against lawsuits even if they're in the right.

Nvidia have spent money developing these technologies, and frustrating as it is that many are locked to the Nvidia platform it has spurred open competition - G-sync led to Freesync and VRR VISA spec, Nvidia Raytracing led to it being added to DX12 and AMD following suit, DLSS leading to FSR. Some of these may have happened anyway, but Nvidia may well have accelerated their release and pushed competitors to do more which is good for everyone.

CutechriNobody really cares about them.

R-T-BI mean way more than half the internet runs on on linux or some derivative, so it's kind of foolish to ignore them. The gaming market there is hardly dead as well, making stellar platform strides in recent years thanks to people and companies that decidedly do care about them.

Cutechrinot for the average user's desktop - imagine not having drive trimming and automounting on startup by default)

R-T-BI think the elitist problem is far more widespread than the linux community though, spilling over into several tech communities...

CutechriYeah, it's put me off this hobby several times but I always come back. It's indeed especially worse on the Linux side of things, and I wish they would just be more accepting so more people would actually switch. You don't berate the Windows user who chose to ditch their entire workflow and switch to Ubuntu for example just because it's Ubuntu, you encourage them and help them out. But I guess that's too much to ask.

R-T-BTold you I have no social skills.