Monday, August 15th 2022

MSI Publishes its X670 Motherboard Product Pages

A bit late to the game compared to its competitors, MSI has finally published its product pages for three of its upcoming X670 and X670E motherboards. The three models are the MEG X670E ACE, the MPG X670E Carbon WiFi and the Pro X670-P WiFi. Earlier todaywe got a first hint with regards to the pricing of a couple of these boards and now we have most of the technical details with regards to the boards themselves. As with all other boardmakers, MSI hasn't revealed any information with regards to memory clocks and obviously no details about which CPUs will be supported. We already had a pretty good idea what to expect from these boards based on the details MSI released at Computex, but features like the power design weren't revealed at the time, nor did we get a very good look at the board.

The MEG X670E ACE appears to be MSI's high-end board for those that aren't interested in spending a small fortune on the Godlike board and it should cater to just about all needs. The board has a 22+2+1 phase power design and MSI is using a heatpipe as well as a stacked fin-array heatsink and a MOSFET backplate to help cool the oversized power circuitry. Other features include 10 Gbps Ethernet, although there is only one Ethernet interface, a DisplayPort 1.4 compatible USB-C 10 Gbps port (which was said to be DP 2.0 compliant at Computex), as well as two 20 Gbps USB-C ports around the back. USB4 is nowhere to be seen, but is most likely related to ASMedia being late to the game with its host controller. MSI has gone for a design where the x16 PCIe 5.0 lanes from the CPU are split between the first two PCIe x16 slots and the third slot is using four lanes of PCIe 5.0 from the CPU. The final four PCIe 5.0 lanes from the CPU are for one of the M.2 NVMe slots and the board has a further three M.2 PCIe 4.0 slots. On top of that, MSI also includes an M.2 Xpander-Z Gen5 Dual add-in card that can accept a further two PCIe 5.0 NVMe SSD at the cost of eight PCIe lanes from the GPU.

The MPG X670E Carbon WiFi gets a slightly trimmed power regulation design with 18+2+1 phases and sadly loses the stacked fin-array heatsink, but does at least retain the heatpipe for the MOSFETS. MSI has also dropped the 10 Gbps Ethernet port in favour of a 2.5 Gbps port and the third PCIe x16 slot is only PCIe 4.0 on the Carbon. However, the Carbon gets two PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVMe slots onboard and has a further two PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVMe slots. IF you're looking at taking advantage of the expected integrated graphics in the upcoming Ryzen 7000-series CPUs, then this might be the board for you, as it has an HDMI 2.1 port, a DP 1.4 port and a USB-C port with DP 1.4 support. There's a second USB-C 20 Gbps port around the back as well. The MPG X670E Carbon WiFi looks like it should be a well rounded board for most people.
Finally the Pro X670-P WiFi gets a 14+2+1 power design and this time around MSI has dropped the heatpipe, although the company has still applied a rather large heatsink. MSI dropped most of the niceties on the Pro, as gone is the pre-attached I/O shield and not all M.2 slots come with heatsinks. Somewhat surprisingly, MSI includes a 20 Gbps USB-C port here and the display outputs are identical to the Carbon. This is the only board from MSI to offer up a PCIe 3.0 x1 expansion slot and as this is an X670 board, the three x16 slots are all PCIe 4.0, although the configuration is x16, x4 and x2, with none of the lanes being shared. The board has a single PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVMe slot and three PCIe 4.0 M.2 NVMe slots.

All three boards rely on eight-layer PCBs with two ounce copper layers. MSI has also included screwless M.2 drives installation on all boards, with the higher-end models also have screwless heatsinks on some of the M.2 slots. All three models also have a Realtek ALC408x USB audio codec, with the ACE gaining an ESS ES9280AQ DAC as well. Overall it looks like MSI is going to have a small, but pretty solid range of X670 and X670E motherboards.

Source: MSI
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40 Comments on MSI Publishes its X670 Motherboard Product Pages

#26
tussinman
TheLostSwedeWhat's your sources on this?
I'm talking to the motherboard manufacturers.
I don't know where the websites are getting there exact source from. There's a handful of sites in the last 2 weeks that have all repeated the same quote "AMD's first wave of 600-series motherboards would focus on the higher-end X670E & X670 designs followed by B650E & B650 products a few weeks later (around October/November) "

Hopefully that's the case, I don't know how you logically wait till the first quarter of next year to make AM5 even somewhat accessible at the consumer level especially given your competition
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#27
Assimilator
WTF is this Pro X670-P WiFi garbage? PCIe x16, then x4 (but a full-length metal slot), and then a x2 slot that is also full-length? What's even the point?
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#28
Alan Smithee
I don't get this article. MSI published these specs like a week ago. And they are hardly "late", neither ASRock nor ASUS have published specs yet, only Gigabyte.
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#29
Wirko
It looks like USB power delivery is going to be a rare animal, only the ACE board supports it (60 W on one of the front ports).
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#30
trsttte
AssimilatorWTF is this Pro X670-P WiFi garbage? PCIe x16, then x4 (but a full-length metal slot), and then a x2 slot that is also full-length? What's even the point?
It's still a 4.0 slot so even a moderm graphics card wouldn't really see that much difference. Better than the usual slot from the chipset that can only be used if an m.2 is not populated. The x2 is pretty silly though, x670 has x4 lanes for a slot, don't know what they did to the 2 missing lanes.
WirkoIt looks like USB power delivery is going to be a rare animal, only the ACE board supports it (60 W on one of the front ports).
I don't get the need for high power PD ports on motherboards, are you charging a laptop from your desktop? Few phones support that kind of power and even then, it's not something that should be used often on phones if you want the battery to last for any reasonable length of time.
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#31
Tomorrow
MxPhenom 216Where's the Unify? After building with the z690 Unify for someone else, I want one for my own rig now!
Likely B650E. For some reason it is supposed to be better for extreme OC. Gigabyte already hinted that their Tachyon will use B650E. I wonder if this could be due to BCLK . Tho it is odd because X670E is just two B650E's daisy chained. B550 and X570 were very different and B550 was newer and better for extreme OC. Especially BCLK.
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#32
Minus Infinity
I believe Asrock and Asus (maybe Gigabyte too) have USB 4 by reading their specs lists, so why can they offer it on X670E and not MSI. They are always behind on USB IMO.
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#33
TheLostSwede
News Editor
tussinmanI don't know where the websites are getting there exact source from. There's a handful of sites in the last 2 weeks that have all repeated the same quote "AMD's first wave of 600-series motherboards would focus on the higher-end X670E & X670 designs followed by B650E & B650 products a few weeks later (around October/November) "

Hopefully that's the case, I don't know how you logically wait till the first quarter of next year to make AM5 even somewhat accessible at the consumer level especially given your competition
I have to apologise, I mixed up the Intel H770/B760 launch, which is at CES, with the B650 launch, which now seems to be October 10th.
AssimilatorWTF is this Pro X670-P WiFi garbage? PCIe x16, then x4 (but a full-length metal slot), and then a x2 slot that is also full-length? What's even the point?
Expect a lot of boards with x2 slots, some even PCIe 3.0, using full x16 physical slots.
Alan SmitheeI don't get this article. MSI published these specs like a week ago. And they are hardly "late", neither ASRock nor ASUS have published specs yet, only Gigabyte.
You mean like this
www.techpowerup.com/296161/asrock-shares-some-more-details-about-its-x670e-taichi-motherboard
and this
www.techpowerup.com/296580/asrock-x670e-pro-rs-motherboard-product-page-goes-live

Asus has had one board up for quite some time.

Sorry if I was a couple of days late on noticing, but no-one else seems to have picked up when MSI put it up either.
WirkoIt looks like USB power delivery is going to be a rare animal, only the ACE board supports it (60 W on one of the front ports).
It seems to be all through the front port, I think I've only seen one board that does it via a rear port.
trsttteIt's still a 4.0 slot so even a moderm graphics card wouldn't really see that much difference. Better than the usual slot from the chipset that can only be used if an m.2 is not populated. The x2 is pretty silly though, x670 has x4 lanes for a slot, don't know what they did to the 2 missing lanes.
WiFi and Ethernet or something along those lines.
trsttteI don't get the need for high power PD ports on motherboards, are you charging a laptop from your desktop? Few phones support that kind of power and even then, it's not something that should be used often on phones if you want the battery to last for any reasonable length of time.
You're not getting more than 1.5-2A without it though and even 20-30 W would be nice, which no-one seems to implement.
Minus InfinityI believe Asrock and Asus (maybe Gigabyte too) have USB 4 by reading their specs lists, so why can they offer it on X670E and not MSI. They are always behind on USB IMO.
On a few SKUs, yes. And it's USB4, not USB 4.
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#34
tussinman
TheLostSwedeI have to apologise, I mixed up the Intel H770/B760 launch, which is at CES, with the B650 launch, which now seems to be October 10th.
It's all good. I figured that was the case. I even wrote on the first page "The only B series release i've heard tied to CES is the B760 series from intel" (I just assumed the 2 got mixed up)
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#35
Mussels
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dj-electricfinned VRM heatsinks arrive to several models of X670E motherboards.
regarding DDR5 - MSI likes boasting high DDR5 support. That's not entirely surprising seeing how recent MSI memory support has been generally very good
Other flaws aside, even on my garbage MSI B450 board it's RAM support was fantastic
Ironic when the rest of it was poop :P

The simple 'memory try it' presets were something other brands need to imitate
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#36
Assimilator
TheLostSwedeExpect a lot of boards with x2 slots, some even PCIe 3.0, using full x16 physical slots.
WHYYYYYY?

What the actual FUCK is the point of having the highest-end chipset and not having its PCIe lanes exposed via the PCIe slots? I don't understand what universe that MSI lives in whereby users are going to have 4 NVMe SSDs but no secondary PCIe card.

If the manufacturers want to put 20 billion NVMe slots on their boards, that's fine. Just also add circuitry so that the PCIe slots by default have all lanes allocated to them, and every time you plug in an NVMe SSD it steals 4 of the slot lanes. So you'd start off with an x16 slot, then it would go down to x12, then x8, then x4, and finally x0 with 4 NVMe slots populated.

If that's too complex (and apparently it is), just go with the solution that everyone knows works - a separate PCB that can house up to 4 NVMe SSDs and plugs into a PCIe x16 slot.
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#37
trsttte
TheLostSwedeWiFi and Ethernet or something along those lines.
Acording to previously shared block diagram (not official of course) there were enought lanes for an x4 slot with wifi and ethernet already accounted for

AssimilatorIf the manufacturers want to put 20 billion NVMe slots on their boards, that's fine. Just also add circuitry so that the PCIe slots by default have all lanes allocated to them, and every time you plug in an NVMe SSD it steals 4 of the slot lanes. So you'd start off with an x16 slot, then it would go down to x12, then x8, then x4, and finally x0 with 4 NVMe slots populated.
Having that level of modularity as great as it would be is a bit unrealistic on consumer boards. It would be great if simple bifurcation from the first x16 slot was more commonplace (now that we're going to pcie5.0 there's so much bandwith there's no reason not to) and/or if they could make the bios flexible enought to not crash to death if one decided to get some server class bifurcation adapters to further split that slot (into x8 x4 x4 for example) but I think that's pretty much the best we could hope for (and be disappointed because they will not bother to deliver it :( )
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#38
Assimilator
trsttteHaving that level of modularity as great as it would be is a bit unrealistic on consumer boards. It would be great if simple bifurcation from the first x16 slot was more commonplace (now that we're going to pcie5.0 there's so much bandwith there's no reason not to) and/or if they could make the bios flexible enought to not crash to death if one decided to get some server class bifurcation adapters to further split that slot (into x8 x4 x4 for example) but I think that's pretty much the best we could hope for (and be disappointed because they will not bother to deliver it :( )
I don't give a shit about bandwidth, but about lane count; I'll take a 48-lane PCIe 4.0 platform over a 24-lane PCIe 5.0 one any day. Give me my goddamn PCIe slots with useful lane counts back, manufacturers!

Honestly these artificial limitations are really putting me off Zen 4. I shouldn't have to buy the highest-end chipset to get more than one PCIe slot running at x16, for fuck's sake.
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#39
TheLostSwede
News Editor
AssimilatorWHYYYYYY?

What the actual FUCK is the point of having the highest-end chipset and not having its PCIe lanes exposed via the PCIe slots? I don't understand what universe that MSI lives in whereby users are going to have 4 NVMe SSDs but no secondary PCIe card.

If the manufacturers want to put 20 billion NVMe slots on their boards, that's fine. Just also add circuitry so that the PCIe slots by default have all lanes allocated to them, and every time you plug in an NVMe SSD it steals 4 of the slot lanes. So you'd start off with an x16 slot, then it would go down to x12, then x8, then x4, and finally x0 with 4 NVMe slots populated.

If that's too complex (and apparently it is), just go with the solution that everyone knows works - a separate PCB that can house up to 4 NVMe SSDs and plugs into a PCIe x16 slot.
Unfortunately, that's not how PCIe was designed.
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#40
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
AssimilatorI don't give a shit about bandwidth, but about lane count; I'll take a 48-lane PCIe 4.0 platform over a 24-lane PCIe 5.0 one any day. Give me my goddamn PCIe slots with useful lane counts back, manufacturers!

Honestly these artificial limitations are really putting me off Zen 4. I shouldn't have to buy the highest-end chipset to get more than one PCIe slot running at x16, for fuck's sake.
I'm hoping future chipsets give that option, by converting 5.0 to 4.0 and doubling the lane count
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