Thursday, September 8th 2022

Key Slides from Intel 13th Gen "Raptor Lake" Launch Presentation Leak

The most juicy bits of the Intel 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" launch press-deck just leaked, courtesy of Igor's Lab. They reveal the six SKUs Intel will debut the 13th Gen Core desktop processor series with, highlight key differences with the previous-gen "Alder Lake," and also detail what the new Intel Z790 chipset brings to the table. To begin with, the first-wave of 13th Gen Core processors will include six SKUs—the Core i9-13900K, i9-13900KF, i7-13700K, i7-13700KF, i5-13600K, and the i5-13600KF. The -K and -KF parts are identical to each other, spare for the lack of integrated graphics with the -KF ones.

Many of the key specs of these six SKUs were already leaked to the web along with those of several SKUs from future waves of 13th Gen SKUs, but this slide confirms a handful interesting specs related to power. The slide confirms 125 W as the Processor Base Power value for all six SKUs, 253 W as the Maximum Turbo Power value for the Core i9 and Core i7 K/KF SKUs; and 181 W as the Maximum Turbo Power for the Core i5 K/KF SKUs. This is a definite step up from the 241 W MTP for the previous-gen Core i9, 190 W MTP for the Core i7, and 150 W MTP for the Core i5. Of course, these limits are like a hedge blocking your path, you can relax them in the motherboard BIOS.
The next slide details the key differences between the 12th Gen "Alder Lake" and 13th Gen "Raptor Lake." The maximum core-count has gone up to 8P+16E. The P-cores are upgraded with higher IPC and L2 cache; the E-cores are upgraded with higher L2 cache. The PCI-Express I/O from the CPU is unchanged—16 PCIe Gen 5 lanes for PEG, 4 PCIe Gen 4 lanes for CPU-attached M.2 NVMe. In contrast, the Ryzen 7000 is confirmed to feature Gen 5 CPU-attached M.2 NVMe. The DDR5 memory speed has been increased to DDR5-5600 native, up from DDR5-4800.

The slide detailing the new Intel Z790 chipset is most interesting. The chipset bus is unchanged at DMI 4.0 x8 (bandwidth comparable to PCI-Express 4.0 x8). While the previous-gen Z690 puts out 12x PCIe Gen 4 and 16x PCIe Gen 3 downstream lanes, the new Z790 puts out an impressive 20x PCIe Gen 4 and 8x PCIe Gen 3 lanes. The USB connectivity is mostly identical except that the Z790 puts out five 20 Gbps USB 3.2x2 ports, instead of four on the Z690.

Intel is expected to announce the 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" processor series and Z790 chipset on September 27. The series will be expanded with more SKUs, and cheaper motherboard chipsets, such as the B760, later.
Source: Igor's Lab
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125 Comments on Key Slides from Intel 13th Gen "Raptor Lake" Launch Presentation Leak

#1
Hyderz
z690 to z790 nothing much changed apart from the ddr5 speeds.... if you have a z690 board... id stay put...
but if you thinking of buying a 13th gen then get the z790....
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#2
Chaitanya
Hyderzz690 to z790 nothing much changed apart from the ddr5 speeds.... if you have a z690 board... id stay put...
but if you thinking of buying a 13th gen then get the z790....
There is 1 extra 20Gbps USB port.
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#3
1d10t
I write it again, "made" a new chipset just to increase RAM overclocking capabilities, "better" switch and redrivers for PCIe 4.0 lane. For that kind of massive improvement I do think, and they should, cost more than Z690.
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#4
Crackong
Based on TPU's previous E-core only benchmark, power consumption of 8 e-core full loading is around 65W

Now

They added 8 more e cores to the 13900k (and runs at higher MAX frequency) , just 12W added to the MTP ?

How ?
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#5
bobsled
Not. A. Leak.

Alleged leak is probably as close you could go.

It's PR 101 in the face of an AMD launch.
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#6
ZetZet
CrackongBased on TPU's previous E-core only benchmark, power consumption of 8 e-core full loading is around 65W

Now

They added 8 more e cores to the 13900k (and runs at higher MAX frequency) , just 12W added to the MTP ?

How ?
You won't be able to max out P cores if E cores are loaded, pretty sure that would be obvious.
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#7
oxrufiioxo
Getting 8 more gen 4 lanes is nice but really the only noteworthy difference at the cost of gen 3 lanes.... Likely better DDR5 support as well overall.
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#8
Crackong
ZetZetYou won't be able to max out P cores if E cores are loaded, pretty sure that would be obvious.
So it really needs the leaked 440W to actually max out the performance?
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#9
oxrufiioxo
CrackongSo it really needs the leaked 440W to actually max out the performance?
In gaming it will probably be relatively efficient and for lighter loads most real world users do.

It will be interesting oc vs oc with non exotic cooling how 13th gen compares to Zen4 though. Sounds like even while using less power 7000 series runs hot as hell but reviews are just around the corner no use speculating.
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#10
JustBenching
CrackongSo it really needs the leaked 440W to actually max out the performance?
What do you even mean max out? No cpu is "maxed out". 5950x has double the cores of the 5800x yet they have similar power consumption.
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#11
sillyman5454
No mention of IPC in these slides, so article description is incorrect. Thats because the microarchitecture is unchanged from Golden Cove. There's just a bit higher clockspeeds and more CPU cache.
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#12
oxrufiioxo
fevgatosWhat do you even mean max out? No cpu is "maxed out". 5950x has double the cores of the 5800x yet they have similar power consumption.
I don't think people realize you can push a 5950X to 200+ watts and increase its MT performance quite a bit doing it.... up to around 32000 in R23 vs around 26000 stock.

I do think it'll be interesting how much is left in the tank for 7000/13th gen though clocks are already really high.
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#13
JustBenching
oxrufiioxoI don't think people realize you can push a 5950X to 200+ watts and increase its MT performance quite a bit doing it.... up to around 32000 in R23 vs around 26000 stock.

I do think it'll be interesting how much is left in the tank for 7000/13th gen though clocks are already really high.
I think pushing power over 150-200w gives you nothing. I can get 28k @ 170w with my 12900k, and then I need to push it to 280w to get to 30k. Really really not worth it. Even gaming power consumption skyrockets when you are doing 5.2 ghz all core, im seeing double the power consumption over just running stock.
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#14
Dirt Chip
Z790 seems smoewhat boring with no benefit.
I might go with a new RL soon and by the look of it will mach it with a Z690 just to save cost.
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#15
oxrufiioxo
fevgatosI think pushing power over 150-200w gives you nothing. I can get 28k @ 170w with my 12900k, and then I need to push it to 280w to get to 30k. Really really not worth it. Even gaming power consumption skyrockets when you are doing 5.2 ghz all core, im seeing double the power consumption over just running stock.
The last 5-10% is never usually worth it but we finally have competition so both intel/amd are pushing them hard to compete.
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#16
Leshy
CrackongBased on TPU's previous E-core only benchmark, power consumption of 8 e-core full loading is around 65W

Now

They added 8 more e cores to the 13900k (and runs at higher MAX frequency) , just 12W added to the MTP ?

How ?
there is a power budget for cpu. If u dissable all p cores, e cores are using all the power they can and its pushing them out of efficiency range. So thats how they do it .. and frequency gain just enhanced with TB3.0 :D maybe it ll boost that frequency for 0.01s ..
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#17
ratirt
base frequency for 13900 series is significantly lower with p and e cores in comparison to 13700k for instance. The additional 8 ecores 13900k has over 13700k must use a bit of power though.
I'm sincerely curious how much better the 13700k will be over 12900k.
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#18
Ruru
S.T.A.R.S.
And still a 8-core flagship? They should put more real cores instead of doubling those Atom joke cores.
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#19
ratirt
LenneAnd still a 8-core flagship? They should put more real cores instead of doubling those Atom joke cores.
With all those ecore you can now open more tabs in google chrome or instead of one video on you tube you can now watch 2 at the same time while playing a game :D
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#20
Leshy
LenneAnd still a 8-core flagship? They should put more real cores instead of doubling those Atom joke cores.
lol. why i have to read this stupid comment all the time ? for what kind of workload do you need more P cores?
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#21
Dimitriman
That 13600k will be real disruptive to the mid-range segment. This is where intel will hurt AMD the most. If it matches gaming performance of the 8 core 7700X and beats MT, it's gonna be massively popular. Imo AMD should have bumped core count of Ryzen 5 to 8 cores (7600X) and Ryzen 7 to 10 cores (7700X) to better position them vs Raptor Lake. The pricing of the 7600X will probably drop at day 0 after Intel's launch.
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#22
JustBenching
ratirtWith all those ecore you can now open more tabs in google chrome or instead of one video on you tube you can now watch 2 at the same time while playing a game :D
I tried disabling ecores yesterday on spiderman. Minimum fps went from 120 with ecores on to 103 with ecores off. Nough said I think
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#23
PapaTaipei
Leshylol. why i have to read this stupid comment all the time ? for what kind of workload do you need more P cores?
Video games
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#24
konga
PapaTaipeiVideo games
Video games are not going to scale beyond 8 highly-performant cores. This is also why buying anything beyond an 8-core Ryzen is pointless for gaming (with any performance increase on higher-end models being marginal and attributable to the cache and clock speeds)
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#25
watzupken
CrackongBased on TPU's previous E-core only benchmark, power consumption of 8 e-core full loading is around 65W

Now

They added 8 more e cores to the 13900k (and runs at higher MAX frequency) , just 12W added to the MTP ?

How ?
We will know if it is really just a 12W increase when the product gets tested. Nowadays, I don't really bother about the TDP values they provide. I do recall that one of the things Intel did with Raptor Lake was to lower the E-core clockspeed. This may contribute to some power savings. I also feel that the chip may not be running at maximum potential as it is likely being held back by the power limit.
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