Why do we need both?

You don't, just stick with USB 4 whatever "version" you prefer!

Here some of us thought Thunderbolt was dead. Intel just doesnt know when to give up where it really should.

R0H1TYou don't, just stick with USB 4 whatever "version" you prefer!

There is less than handful USB4 devices, a few AMD laptops and a few X670E motherboards. That's it.

DeathtoGnomesHere some of us thought Thunderbolt was dead. Intel just doesnt know when to give up where it really should.

Thunderbolt does amazingly well at the enterprise level. Which is something a lot of "enthusiasts" don't deal with, and most gamers never do.

Go to any big company now the kit out is a laptop with a thunderbolt dock at work. It works really damn well for power, peripherals, and multiple monitor support. Also plugs them straight into ethernet. It's vastly superior to USB-C based options at the enterprise level and if a notebook/mobile workstation/laptop does not have it then it's not getting purchased. Period, don't pass go, don't even release this, your product is not professional it's just prosumer/consumer trash.

Thunderbolt has been one of their most crazy wins in a LONG time.

HairyLobstersWhy do we need both?

Consumer vs enterprise. Why do we need Xeons and EPYC when we have Threadripper and Core I9? The enterprise market is very different. The issue is that TB is an enterprise level product not some joke consumer/gamer nonsense. But apple fucked that concept up. But you have to sort of understand that TB products are sold to work on. And so you get the dell business line laptops or HP workstation laptops with xeons and quadros and ecc and hook up to a TB dock. This is the standard at enterprise level.

If you don't need thunderbolt, you probably have RGB in your main computer.

SOAREVERSORIt's vastly superior to USB-C based options at the enterprise level and if a notebook/mobile workstation/laptop does not have it then it's not getting purchased. Period, don't pass go, don't even release this, your product is not professional it's just prosumer/consumer trash.

Erm......

SOAREVERSORGo to any big company now the kit out is a laptop with a thunderbolt dock at work. It works really damn well for power, peripherals, and multiple monitor support. Also plugs them straight into ethernet.

Literally every single thing you listed works perfectly fine with non thunderbolt docks, and there are still far more type C docks available for purchase then thunderbolt. Unless you are in a production role pushing mass quantites of data to external drive arrays or driving some odd GPU arrangement where desktops wont work, buying thunderbolt docks is a waste of cash, given type C docks cost half as much and work just as well in most *enterprise* environments.

SOAREVERSORConsumer vs enterprise. Why do we need Xeons and EPYC when we have Threadripper and Core I9? The enterprise market is very different. The issue is that TB is an enterprise level product not some joke consumer/gamer nonsense. But apple fucked that concept up. But you have to sort of understand that TB products are sold to work on. And so you get the dell business line laptops or HP workstation laptops with xeons and quadros and ecc and hook up to a TB dock. This is the standard at enterprise level.

If you don't need thunderbolt, you probably have RGB in your main computer.

I think you have a few wires crossed mate. Maybe less time spent reading intel press releases and more time spent sleeping?

TheinsanegamerNErm......

Literally every single thing you listed works perfectly fine with non thunderbolt docks, and there are still far more type C docks available for purchase then thunderbolt. Unless you are in a production role pushing mass quantites of data to external drive arrays or driving some odd GPU arrangement where desktops wont work, buying thunderbolt docks is a waste of cash, given type C docks cost half as much and work just as well in most *enterprise* environments.

I think you have a few wires crossed mate. Maybe less time spent reading intel press releases and more time spent sleeping?

Did you really have to be so insulting? Usually when someone does that, they've already lost the argument. I've added you to my long ignore list here.

TheinsanegamerNbuying thunderbolt docks is a waste of cash, given type C docks cost half as much and work just as well in most *enterprise* environments

My enterprise environment is exactly as @SOAREVERSOR describes. :shrug:

Edit: As a side note, ad hominem at best cheapens a post.

Spec wise kinda overlapping with USB 4 version 2.0, not that I despise Thunderbolt nor I support USB idiotic names.

SOAREVERSORThunderbolt does amazingly well at the enterprise level. Which is something a lot of "enthusiasts" don't deal with, and most gamers never do.

there is that rare occasion to need/use, and then gamers complain it sucks, typical for us gamers. :D