Wednesday, September 21st 2022

EVGA Announces Cancelation of NVIDIA Next-gen Graphics Cards Plans, Officially Terminates NVIDIA Partnership

Towards the latter half of August, multiple EVGA employees involved in technical marketing and engineering had let us know privately that they were leaving the company for other ventures. When pushed further, several hinted towards some decisions being made by EVGA's management, including CEO Andrew Han, that would jeopardize their future. Some even went far enough to say they would share more in a few weeks time about how they felt exactly about their time there, the various issues that kept them from doing their best, and also that at least a couple of ex-employees were let go. TechPowerUp was doing due diligence in collecting the facts while keeping emotions aside from contacts who were understandably not in the best of moods, and one thing common across the board was there was something major coming up dealing with the EVGA GPU product line.

Today EVGA decided to throw a massive curve ball by formally announcing the company is canceling its plans to carry the next generation of graphics cards. Given EVGA's revenue sheets point to nearly 80% contribution from being an NVIDIA add-in card partner, this effectively also means an end to a long partnership with NVIDIA. The company's CEO confirmed as much to a few media channels citing poor margins and a challenging, stressful relationship that was no longer fruitful. There are no plans for EVGA to partner with AMD or Intel at this time when it comes to graphics cards and the company stressed they will continue to sell and support current-gen GPUs having retained enough units for RMA purposes too.
Jon Peddie Research also speculates EVGA is going to shift its priorities towards power supplies and motherboards instead that allow for higher margins and a more uniform, predictable sales pattern. Time will tell how EVGA, and indeed NVIDIA too who now has to re-distribute its GPU allocation among other partners and retail solutions, will come out of this split. It certainly does not seem to be an amicable one and we do not expect the partnership to resume anytime soon. This also affects companies who were no doubt planning on accessories for EVGA-branded GPUs, such as custom watercooling blocks from the usual suspects such as EKWB, Alphacool, and Bitspower.
What About Existing Customers
All existing owners of EVGA graphics cards will remain fully covered by warranties, including full replacements if needed. The company has withheld inventory of EVGA graphics cards from retailers (and will probably recall some perfectly-functional cards), so it has buffer stock to serve existing customers in need of total replacements or RMA.

What EVGA's Future Looks Like
EVGA CEO Andrew Han stated that the company has no plans as of now to partner with another GPU manufacturer like AMD or Intel, and the exit from the graphics card business will trigger an "imminent downsizing" of the company (to shed employees associated with the graphics card business). This could also be a subtle hint to AMD and Intel that if they're looking to work with EVGA, they should express interest right now.

Graphics cards made up over three-quarters of EVGA's revenue, and so we're not sure what the company could do next. If one were to speculate, the company could increase its presence in the prebuilt notebook and gaming peripherals businesses, and probably even ride the growth-cycle in the power-supply market with ATX 3.0 and PCIe Gen 5. Next-generation high-end graphics cards are expected to trigger upgrades among those with PSUs 4 years or older, as older PSUs, particularly mainstream ones, will find it hard to deal with the power excursions (spikes) of high-end PCIe Gen 5 graphics cards. The company could also retain its PCB engineering team to further develop its motherboard business. But all these are just speculation. Unless EVGA significantly invests in its other businesses, it's done.

How does this affect NVIDIA in the North American market?
EVGA was particularly popular in the North American market, among DIY PC enthusiasts. Other NVIDIA partners such as ASUS, could attempt to fill its void, but the distinct industrial design of EVGA will be lost, as would features such as iCX; and EVGA-exclusive customer programs such as trade-in upgrades. NVIDIA may also attempt to bring in new partners to the North American market to fill EVGA's void, such as GALAX (Galaxy), or Colorful, which are both major graphics card OEMs in the Chinese market. It will now fall on them to match the design and quality standards EVGA established. EVGA's exit will have minimal impact on NVIDIA's bottom-line, as those in the market for a GeForce graphics card will ultimately buy one from whichever brand.

NVIDIA's first reaction to this development is as follows:
"We've had a great partnership with EVGA over the years and will continue to support them on our current generation of products. We wish Andrew and our friends at EVGA all the best."
EVGA's full statement is as follows:
EVGA CEO Andrew HanEVGA has terminated its relationship with NVIDIA. EVGA will no longer be manufacturing video cards of any type, citing a souring relationship with NVIDIA as the cause (among other reasons that were minimized). EVGA will not be exploring relationships with AMD or Intel at this time, and the company will be downsizing imminently as it exits the video card market. Customers will still be covered by EVGA policies, but EVGA will no longer make RTX or other video cards. The company already made, 20 EVT samples of EVGA RTX 4090 FTW3 cards, but will not be moving to production and has killed all active projects pertaining to cards, including KINGPIN cards.
According to JPR, EVGA was the best-selling NVIDIA AIB in the US market, with a market-share of nearly 40%. NVIDIA would have lead its board partners to take its place.

Update Sep 21st: KINGPIN, a long time associate of EVGA, behind some of their fastest boutique graphics cards and motherboards, posted a note of gratitude for all the fans of EVGA + KINGPIN, and stated that KINGPIN Hardware may continue in some form.
I'm thankful for all the industry friends, old colleagues, etc. that reached out. It means a lot and I appreciate it. The news isn't received well ofc, and I'm mostly sorry for the fans and people that are passionate for our brand and everything that we have done here over the years at EVGA. If the KP hardware is meant to continue on in one way or another, I'm sure that it will :). The EVGA and PC hardware enthusiast community have been great to me and my teams here over the years, THANK YOU.
Update Sep 21st: Jensen Huang responded to a question about his thoughts on EVGA in a Q&A session today:
Jensen HuangYou know, Andrew (EVGA CEO) wanted to wind down the business, and he's wanted to do that for a couple of years. Andrew and EVGA were, are great partners and we're great partners, and I'm sad to see them leave the market. But, he's got other plans and he's been thinking about it for several years, so I guess that's about it. The market has a lot of great players and it will be served well after EVGA, but I'll always miss them, they were an important part of our history, Andrew is a great friend. I think that it was just time for him to go do something else."
Sources: Jon Peddie Research, Gamers Nexus, EVGA, Tae Kim (Twitter)
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536 Comments on EVGA Announces Cancelation of NVIDIA Next-gen Graphics Cards Plans, Officially Terminates NVIDIA Partnership

#426
Valantar
kapone32EVGA are/were poised to be the most exposed to the GPU crash as unlike the other brands they have a limited product stack. All of the other vendors have diversified their portfolio to include Monitors, Keyboards, Mice, Cases, Storage, PSU, MB and GPUs. Someone has to be left to pay for the premium that any GPU that was sourced in 2021 still holds. They would like it to be the consumer but who wants to pay 500+ Canadian for a 3060Ti /6700Xt. Even the 6600/3060 at 349 is still too expensive.
... and what is the main reason why GPU prices are rising? Oh, right: Nvidia pushing prices higher, demanding 60% margins on chips, etc. Yes, BOM costs of various kinds (VRAM, VRMs, PCB material etc.) and engineering costs have also risen, as have material prices in the past couple of years, but Nvidia pushing their margins higher is a major contributor to rising costs. Saying "well, if you want to sell GPUs, you have to expect this to not be profitable, but instead make your money elsewhere" is just an indictment of this industry in general if one is to accept that as an argument. If that's the case, then the entire industry might as well shut down, as it's not economically sustainable.
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#427
RandallFlagg
I think we just found out why EVGA ditched Nvidia.

4080 at $899. Their inventory of old 3080 3090 and 3090 Ti values are going to get shellacked.

This isn't Nvidia's fault really. EVGA just had too many cards, they probably wanted Nvidia to delay launch.

JayZ really screwed all those people he told to go out and buy last gen.
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#428
Valantar
RandallFlaggI think we just found out why EVGA ditched Nvidia.

4080 at $899. Their inventory of old 3080 3090 and 3090 Ti values are going to get shellacked.

This isn't Nvidia's fault really. EVGA just had too many cards, they probably wanted Nvidia to delay launch.
... or they wanted Nvidia to give them a rebate, considering that they've been buying Ampere silicon from them at sky-high prices (with sky-high margins for Nvidia) right up until the run-up of Ampere - and, going by that Nvidia earnings call, are now being "incentivized" towards not flooding the channel with Ampere stock to rid themselves of excess inventory.
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#429
kapone32
Valantar... and what is the main reason why GPU prices are rising? Oh, right: Nvidia pushing prices higher, demanding 60% margins on chips, etc. Yes, BOM costs of various kinds (VRAM, VRMs, PCB material etc.) and engineering costs have also risen, as have material prices in the past couple of years, but Nvidia pushing their margins higher is a major contributor to rising costs. Saying "well, if you want to sell GPUs, you have to expect this to not be profitable, but instead make your money elsewhere" is just an indictment of this industry in general if one is to accept that as an argument. If that's the case, then the entire industry might as well shut down, as it's not economically sustainable.
All I was doing was adding context to your statement. You are absolutely right in the first part and this though. Nvidia is if nothing else Greedy.
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#430
Bomby569
AnotherReaderI think you don't understand that Samsung is not the first choice of leading fab less chip designers. Nvidia chose them because they were cheap and had sufficient capacity, not because they are in the same league as TSMC. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that Nvidia has a different relationship with Samsung than the one they have with TSMC. Samsung needs Nvidia to provide the volume for the nodes that are suitable for high power GPUs, but TSMC doesn't care if Nvidia uses them or not.
So how does any of that translates to Nvidia vs AIB's? Let's see, they all need Nvidia. Sure there's AMD but they would sell a 1/10 or less without Nvidia. Your point is pointless.

Companies need each other, terms aren't set by the buyer, no one does favours because this is business and everyone is looking out for #1. More news at 11
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#431
RandallFlagg
Valantar... or they wanted Nvidia to give them a rebate, considering that they've been buying Ampere silicon from them at sky-high prices (with sky-high margins for Nvidia) right up until the run-up of Ampere - and, going by that Nvidia earnings call, are now being "incentivized" towards not flooding the channel with Ampere stock to rid themselves of excess inventory.
Constant attempts to demonize one company over another get tiresome. It's not reflective of reality. Prices will go to whatever the market will bear, no matter who makes what.

Where are all your posts slamming AMD for inflating Zen 3 prices for two years? Yeah, that's right, there aren't any are there?
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#432
kapone32
Bomby569So how does any of that translates to Nvidia vs AIB's? Let's see, they all need Nvidia. Sure there's AMD but they would sell a 1/10 or less without Nvidia. Your point is pointless.

Companies need each other, terms aren't set by the buyer, no one does favours because this is business and everyone is looking out for #1. More news at 11
It will be interesting to see if EVGA does develop a relationship with AMD what kinds of numbers they would sell.
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#433
Valantar
Bomby569So how does any of that translates to Nvidia vs AIB's? Let's see, they all need Nvidia. Sure there's AMD but they would sell a 1/10 or less without Nvidia. Your point is pointless.

Companies need each other, terms aren't set by the buyer, no one does favours because this is business and everyone is looking out for #1. More news at 11
.... but if Samsung needs Nvidia, then the terms will be set by the buyer. And that's the problem with your logic here: you're arguing as if there's some inherent logic to markets that isn't about power, but about the direction of the sale. This is simply not true. If the buyer has more power, they will have the most say about the sale terms. If not, then the seller will have so. In Nvidia's case, they are the most powerful in all such negotiations, save for with TSMC where they are likely on quite equal footing, if not at a slight disadvantage. But still: this is about who has power, not who is selling vs. who is buying.
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#434
TheoneandonlyMrK
Bomby569does Nvidia sets the terms when it goes to buy fab space on TSMC or Samsung? didn't TSMC just increased the price period.

>Nvidia: I want x wafers, but if i can't sell them i want a discount.
<TMSC: so you don't want wafers, got it.
So what.

Tsmc doesn't then ship Nvidia chips from its own company undercutting Nvidia, do they.

They're not the same thing.

Plus one minute you argue bad management, Evga should have set better terms, though they can't.
Then pull the whataboutism of nvidia's contact with Tsmc et al, disingenuous.
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#435
kapone32
RandallFlaggConstant attempts to demonize one company over another get tiresome. It's not reflective of reality. Prices will go to whatever the market will bear, no matter who makes what.

Where are all your posts slamming AMD for inflating Zen 3 prices for two years? Yeah, that's right, there aren't any are there?
The prices were a slap in the face but not worse than the abandonment that those of us who jumped onto TR4. I did enjoy my 2950X and wanted a 3960X but the cost was way too high even though some TRX40 MBs were the same price or less than a high end X570.
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#436
Valantar
RandallFlaggConstant attempts to demonize one company over another get tiresome. It's not reflective of reality. Prices will go to whatever the market will bear, no matter who makes what.

Where are all your posts slamming AMD for inflating Zen 3 prices for two years? Yeah, that's right, there aren't any are there?
I really can't be bothered to look them up, but unfortunately for you there are quite a few of them on these forums. Funny, that. Almost as if not everyone is a heavily biased fanboy?

I'm not "attempting to demonize" Nvidia - I'm stating facts and my analysis of those facts. You're entirely welcome to disagree, but then you actually have to be able to argue against said analysis, or disprove said facts. If the facts make Nvidia look bad, then that's really not my problem.
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#437
AnotherReader
Bomby569So how does any of that translates to Nvidia vs AIB's? Let's see, they all need Nvidia. Sure there's AMD but they would sell a 1/10 or less without Nvidia. Your point is pointless.

Companies need each other, terms aren't set by the buyer, no one does favours because this is business and everyone is looking out for #1. More news at 11
Valantar already gave a good response to this comment, but to make it clear, I was responding to your comment about Nvidia's relationship with its foundry partners
does Nvidia sets the terms when it goes to buy fab space on TSMC or Samsung? didn't TSMC just increased the price period.

>Nvidia: I want x wafers, but if i can't sell them i want a discount.
<TMSC: so you don't want wafers, got it.
Relationships aren't symmetrical. With TSMC, Nvidia can't set the terms, because they need them more than TSMC needs them; the A100 and H100 would have been slower and smaller (in terms of transistors and SMXs) on any other node available at the time. However, Samsung needs Nvidia desperately; Nvidia could have ditched them for TSMC if they didn't agree to Nvidia's terms. Samsung's foundry doesn't have a lot of top tier customers; Apple ditched them a long time ago, AMD never relied on them directly, and even Qualcomm has left them for their newest products.
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#438
Bomby569
Valantar.... but if Samsung needs Nvidia, then the terms will be set by the buyer. And that's the problem with your logic here: you're arguing as if there's some inherent logic to markets that isn't about power, but about the direction of the sale. This is simply not true. If the buyer has more power, they will have the most say about the sale terms. If not, then the seller will have so. In Nvidia's case, they are the most powerful in all such negotiations, save for with TSMC where they are likely on quite equal footing, if not at a slight disadvantage. But still: this is about who has power, not who is selling vs. who is buying.
Balance of power is one thing, and it's like EVGA is the only company in the world having to deal with a bigger partner, it's the end of the world, the endless internet drama here.

The terms of sale, like not getting back inventory because the client can't manage it, it is not set in terms by the buyer, at most the seller would not sell. You'd have to be a very deep pocket company, dumb, and private, because no shareholders would accept that. Or it was just that one buyer that could abuse the relationship, clearly not the case here, Nvidia can just sell to countless others AIB's that already buy and more would happily line up.
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#439
Tek-Check
Bomby569Balance of power is one thing, and it's like EVGA is the only company in the world having to deal with a bigger partner, it's the end of the world, the endless internet drama here.

The terms of sale, like not getting back inventory because the client can't manage it, it is not set in terms by the buyer, at most the seller would not sell. You'd have to be a very deep pocket company, dumb, and private, because no shareholders would accept that. Or it was just that one buyer that could abuse the relationship, clearly not the case here, Nvidia can just sell to countless others AIB's that already buy and more would happily line up.
True, but EVGA has been a role model of quality builds in recent decade, a true leader in PC environment. Losing such a partner does not happen for petty reasons. There must have been a serious fall out.
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#440
Bomby569
Tek-CheckTrue, but EVGA has been a role model of quality builds in recent decade, a true leader in PC environment. Losing such a partner does not happen for petty reasons. There must have been a serious fall out.
you never heard about the 1080 EVGA disaster? or the recent one with that Amazon game. sure "role model of quality" :D
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#441
Dragokar
Bomby569you never heard about the 1080 EVGA disaster? or the recent one with that Amazon game. sure "role model of quality" :D
That is true, also the whole ICX drama, but you did not have any trouble to get it changed.

I am still mad that I got no card from the EU-”queue” though, and this long warranties are expensive af. I guess they just got greedy with stock, like NV is undercutting the AIBs with the FE-modells ;)
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#442
lexluthermiester
Bomby569This one was clearly not on the EVGA payroll like GN or Jayz.
Your understanding of how things work needs refreshing.
RandallFlaggThat guy is probably among the worst sources for an unbias / unemotional analysis re:EVGA in particular.
You're of course welcome to your opinion. Don't expect many to agree though. Jay is WELL known for laying down the reality of things, being a straight shooter and not holding his punches. I'm not going to respond to the rest of your nonsense statement because I don't want the TPU mods getting angry at me, and they would.
Bomby569you never heard about the 1080 EVGA disaster?
It was a problem, swiftly solved, not a disaster. For perspective, Gigabyte's PSU and RMA crap was a disaster. EVGA has never had anything that qualifies as a disaster because the have ALWAYS been customer service oriented.

I'm with many on being an EVGA "fanboy". They have EARNED the respect and loyalty they command. For perspective, if Gigabyte or MSI had dropped out of the GPU race, I would not be lamenting, instead I would likely be very happy and say good riddance..
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#443
80-watt Hamster
lexluthermiesterYour understanding of how things work needs refreshing.


You're of course welcome to your opinion. Don't expect many to agree though. Jay is WELL known for laying down the reality of things, being a straight shooter and not holding his punches. I'm not going to respond to the rest of your nonsense statement because I don't want the TPU mods getting angry at me, and they would.
Jay has a self-admitted soft spot for EVGA. That does not however, mean that he is wrong. Though I'd trust Steve's take first, because he hates everything more-or-less equally.

(Of course, Steve not liking anything was the reason I basically stopped paying attention to GN...)
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#444
RandallFlagg
lexluthermiesterYou're of course welcome to your opinion. Don't expect many to agree though. Jay is WELL known for laying down the reality of things, being a straight shooter and not holding his punches. I'm not going to respond to the rest of your nonsense statement because I don't want the TPU mods getting angry at me, and they would.
Yes there are many lemmings in the world.

I think it's a biological thing, they believe safety in numbers applies to facts somehow.
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#445
lexluthermiester
FasolaStop lying. If you had watched GN's video you would have seen that, at multiple points during the video, he stresses to take the information with a grain of salt as we only have EVGA's perspective for now.
Well said!
RandallFlaggYes there are many lemmings in the world.
Perhaps I was being too subtle. Put a cork in it...
80-watt HamsterJay has a self-admitted soft spot for EVGA. That does not however, mean that he is wrong. Though I'd trust Steve's take first, because he hates everything more-or-less equally.

(Of course, Steve not liking anything was the reason I basically stopped paying attention to GN...)
True, and he open states that, but this does not stop him from being objective.
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#446
RandallFlagg
lexluthermiesterPerhaps I was being too subtle. Put a cork in it...
And who are you?

It's kind of funny you seem to respect this guy, JayzTwoCents...

The guy that just about 6 weeks ago told everyone that they should run out and buy a high end GPU because prices were not going any lower, that was it, the best deal ever. Apparently after some contacts at EVGA told him so... It looks to me like he has had to pull that video.

That was right after late July, when he said his sources told him that RTX 4000 series wouldn't launch until summer 2023.

But you go ahead, kneel down, pucker up. Or should I say, bend over? What ever it is you just keep on enjoying it bro. Keep doing you.
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#447
lexluthermiester
RandallFlaggAnd who are you?

It's kind of funny you seem to respect this guy, JayzTwoCents...

The guy that just about 6 weeks ago told everyone that they should run out and buy a high end GPU because prices were not going any lower, that was it, the best deal ever. Apparently after some contacts at EVGA told him so... It looks to me like he has had to pull that video.

That was right after late July, when he said his sources told him that RTX 4000 series wouldn't launch until summer 2023.

But you go ahead, kneel down, pucker up. Or should I say, bend over? What ever it is you just keep on enjoying it bro. Keep doing you.
Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself with your ignorance. Shut your pie-hole.
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#448
Bomby569
DragokarThat is true, also the whole ICX drama, but you did not have any trouble to get it changed.

I am still mad that I got no card from the EU-”queue” though, and this long warranties are expensive af. I guess they just got greedy with stock, like NV is undercutting the AIBs with the FE-modells ;)
i got one personally, gave to my brother as i got the unexpected email right after i got my card. He is still happy, at the time it was insanely cheap.
lexluthermiesterIt was a problem, swiftly solved, not a disaster. For perspective, Gigabyte's PSU and RMA crap was a disaster. EVGA has never had anything that qualifies as a disaster because the have ALWAYS been customer service oriented.

I'm with many on being an EVGA "fanboy". They have EARNED the respect and loyalty they command. For perspective, if Gigabyte or MSI had dropped out of the GPU race, I would not be lamenting, instead I would likely be very happy and say good riddance..
The best RMA is the one you never have to use, not the one that replaces your cards 5 times like happened to a lot of people on the EVGA forums. And mind you in the US you have to pay shipping so it's not like it doesn't involve costs, man i would be so pissed if it happened to me. But sure they clearly always did good by their customers. But the claim of "role model of quality" simply is untruth.
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#449
lexluthermiester
Bomby569The best RMA is the one you never have to use, not the one that replaces your cards 5 times like happened to a lot of people on the EVGA forums.
No company is perfect. Mistakes and defects WILL happen. Always, no matter what is being made. What sets EVGA apart from the rest is their exceptional RMA process, which is the most painless I've ever dealt with, and I've dealt with everyone at one point or another. Par for the course when you run a PC shop.
Bomby569But the claim of "role model of quality" simply is untruth.
I disagree, it is well earned. I would say EVGA is the golden standard everyone should model their returns and RMA's from.
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#450
Bomby569
lexluthermiesterNo company is perfect. Mistakes and defects WILL happen. Always, no matter what is being made. What sets EVGA apart from the rest is their exceptional RMA process, which is the most painless I've ever dealt with, and I've dealt with everyone at one point or another. Par for the course when you run a PC shop.
Come to the EU. Something breaks, i ship it back to the store that sold me, no costs to me either way, they have 30 days to fix it, or give me my money back, 2 years of peace of mind. I don't even care what is the brand, not my issue. All warranties are amazing here, i have problems with no one. :D

The thing i want to avoid is having to stay weeks without my stuff, the less it breaks the best. All RMA's are equally good.
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