Tuesday, October 25th 2022

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX to Lead the RDNA3 Pack?

AMD is reportedly bringing back the "XTX" brand extension to the main marketing names of its upcoming Radeon RX 7000-series SKUs. The company had, until now, reserved the "XTX" moniker for internal use, to denote SKUs that max out all hardware available on a given silicon. The RX 7000-series introduce the company's next-generation RDNA3 graphics architecture, and will see the company introduce its chiplets packaging design to the client-graphics space. The next-generation "Navi 31" GPU will likely be the first of its kind: while multi-chip module (MCM) GPUs aren't new, this would be the first time that multiple logic chips would sit on a single package for client GPUs. AMD has plenty of experience with MCM GPUs, but those have been single logic chips surrounded by memory stacks. "Navi 31" uses multiple logic chips on a package; which is then wired to conventional discrete GDDR6 memory devices like any other client GPU.

The rumored Radeon RX 7900 XTX is features 12,288 stream processors, likely across two logic tiles that contain the SIMD components. These tiles are [for now] rumored to be built on the TSMC N5 (5 nm EUV) foundry process. The Display CoreNext (DCN), and Video CoreNext (VCN) components, as well as the GDDR6 memory controllers, will be built on separate chiplets that are likely built on TSMC N6 (6 nm). The "Navi 31" has a 384-bit wide memory interface. This is 384-bit and not "2x 192-bit," because the logic tiles don't have memory interfaces of their own, but rely on memory controller tiles shared between the two logic tiles, much in the same as a dual-channel DDR4 memory interface being shared between the two 8-core CPU chiplets on a Ryzen 5950X processor.
The RX 7900 XTX features 24 GB of GDDR6 memory across a 384-bit wide memory interface. This memory ticks at 20 Gbps speed, which means a raw memory bandwidth of 960 GB/s. AMD is also expected to deploy large on-die caches, which it calls the Infinity Cache, to further lubricate the GPU's memory sub-system. The most interesting aspect of this rumor is the card's typical board power value, of 420 W. Technically, this is in the same league as the 450 W typical graphics power value of the GeForce RTX 4090. Since its teaser earlier this year in the launch event of the Ryzen 7000 series desktop processors, speculation is rife that AMD will not deploy the 12+4 pin ATX 12VHPWR power connector with its Radeon RX 7000-series GPUs, and the reference-design board likely has up to three conventional 8-pin PCIe power connectors. You're any way having to spare four 8-pin connectors for an RTX 4090.

AMD's second-best SKU based on the "Navi 31" is expected to be the RX 7900 XT, with fewer stream processors—likely 10,752. The memory size is reduced to 20 GB, and the memory interface narrowed to 320-bit, which at 20 Gbps memory speed produces 800 GB/s of bandwidth. Keeping up with the trend of AMD's second-largest GPU having half the stream processors of the largest one (eg: "Navi 22" having 2,560 against the 5,120 of the "Navi 21,") the "Navi 32" chip will likely have one of these 6,144-SP logic tiles, and a narrower memory interface.
Source: VideoCardz
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95 Comments on AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX to Lead the RDNA3 Pack?

#1
ratirt
btarunrNVIDIA's second-best SKU based on the "Navi 31" is expected to be the RX 7900 XT
@btarunr I think you mean AMD here.
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#2
zenlaserman
GPU-L claims this beast will have 576 GP/s and 2304 GT/s vs the 4090's 440ish/1250ish. If the drivers are sound, we might have a good game here!
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#3
Dirt Chip
Two logic tiles will be very interesting to see. If it will make the same ZEN effect we might see actual NV-AMD market changes to a more 50:50 situation.
Hopefully they can do 4090 with less (30W?) power but not going 12VHPWR is the wrong way I thing. We will see 4*8pin on OC 3rd party cards...
The size look like a 4090 volume fallow up, and it`s not a good thing at all.
Also, the render pic only have 2*8pin (maybe it`s for the 7900XT, not the XTX) so I corrected it* :)



*for 3rd party cards
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#4
dj-electric
As silly as it is, I remember when XTX was a statement. Anyone who has been around the block remembers the X1950 XTX
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#6
wolf
Better Than Native
zenlasermanGPU-L claims this beast will have 576 GP/s and 2304 GT/s vs the 4090's 440ish/1250ish. If the drivers are sound, we might have a good game here!
I'm not certain that's going to be the best metric to try and assume performance from.

The 3090 has 189.8/556 and the 6900XT has 359.7/899.2 - and the 6900XT certainly didn't perform over and above the 3090 relative to those numbers.

In fact, the 6900XT vs 3090, it had 188% GPixel/s, and 161% GTexel/s

This seems like 7900XTX vs 4090, 130% GPixel/s and 184% GTexel/s - weaker in pixel fill rate relatively and significantly vs the older comparison, but stronger in Texture fill rate relatively.

My takeaway? who knows, but I doubt it's a metric you could hang your hat on for comparison.
nguyen7900XTXT and 7900XTXXXTTTX version coming out maybe 6 months later
XFX Radeon RX 7900XTX Merc Speedster 6969 XXX edition :roll:
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#7
AsRock
TPU addict
wolfI'm not certain that's going to be the best metric to try and assume performance from.

The 3090 has 189.8/556 and the 6900XT has 359.7/899.2 - and the 6900XT certainly didn't perform over and above the 3090 relative to those numbers.

In fact, the 6900XT vs 3090, it had 188% GPixel/s, and 161% GTexel/s

This seems like 7900XTX vs 4090, 130% GPixel/s and 184% GTexel/s - weaker in pixel fill rate relatively and significantly vs the older comparison, but stronger in Texture fill rate relatively.

My takeaway? who knows, but I doubt it's a metric you could hang your hat on for comparison.


XFX Radeon RX 7900XTX Merc Speedster 6969 XXX edition :roll:
Yes, Already.
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#8
spnidel
NVIDIA's second-best SKU based on the "Navi 31" is expected to be the RX 7900 XT
TPU proofreaders be like: finally, the NVIDIA Radeon 7900 XT!
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#9
MarsM4N
Dirt Chip... but not going 12VHPWR is the wrong way I thing. We will see 4*8pin on OC 3rd party cards...
So what? :twitch: At least basic 8pin connectors do not catch fire like Nvidia's 12VHPWR connector.

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#10
Dirt Chip
MarsM4NSo what? :twitch: At least basic 8pin connectors do not catch fire like Nvidia's 12VHPWR connector.

Lookes bad, I agree. Interesting to know at what circumstance it happened and if it was running under spec.
But we also have burned 8PIN and many other connectors type as well, so nothing new here.
The 12VHPWR is new and somewhat controversial so any pop with it achieve news in a flesh. No one is interested about burned 8PIN but they happened rest assure - LMGTFY.

If this will become a wide phenomena that will have a proper shit-storm all around.
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#11
beedoo
And where is the rumoured version with 16xxx stream processors? I want that one!

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#13
Chaitanya
Dirt ChipLookes bad, I agree. Interesting to know at what circumstance it happened and if it was running under spec.
But we also have burned 8PIN and many other connectors type as well, so nothing new here.
The 12VHPWR is new and somewhat controversial so any pop with it achieve news in a flesh. No one is interested about burned 8PIN but they happened rest assure - LMGTFY.

If this will become a wide phenomena that will have a proper shit-storm all around.
Everything can catch fire and I have seen even SATA connectors catching fire along with those old floppy connectors.
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#14
Vayra86
AMD's version of a brick. Lovely.
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#15
igralec84
Willing to wear red if it matches the 4090 for 400€ less MSRP... and doesn't burn the house down :D
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#16
ZoneDymo
igralec84Willing to wear red if it matches the 4090 for 400€ less MSRP... and doesn't burn the house down :D
so if it matches the 4090 for 300 euro less and doesnt burn the house down its a no go?
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#17
Crackong
Now I hope they keep the 8 pin power connectors for this generation
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#18
igralec84
ZoneDymoso if it matches the 4090 for 300 euro less and doesnt burn the house down its a no go?
399€ less is the lowest i can go!
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#19
Nosada
ZoneDymoso if it matches the 4090 for 300 euro less and doesnt burn the house down its a no go?
What about if it matches the 4090 for 500 less and does burn the house down?
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#20
Vayra86
NosadaWhat about if it matches the 4090 for 500 less and does burn the house down?
Buy new house; profit
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#21
Dirt Chip
NosadaWhat about if it matches the 4090 for 500 less and does burn the house down?
I will settle for 450 less and only 1/2 burned house, not the side with the fridge.
Vayra86Buy new house; profit
Because the more you buy...
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#22
ZetZet
igralec84Willing to wear red if it matches the 4090 for 400€ less MSRP... and doesn't burn the house down :D
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#23
Avlin
we need the 512bits BFGPU 512 Rops 32768 shaders
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#24
mashie
I really hope they stop this trend of making the cards longer and longer for each generation.
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#25
Mack4285
Another big brick that draws 350-400W and costs a fortune. I'll pass.
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