Tuesday, October 25th 2022

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX to Lead the RDNA3 Pack?

AMD is reportedly bringing back the "XTX" brand extension to the main marketing names of its upcoming Radeon RX 7000-series SKUs. The company had, until now, reserved the "XTX" moniker for internal use, to denote SKUs that max out all hardware available on a given silicon. The RX 7000-series introduce the company's next-generation RDNA3 graphics architecture, and will see the company introduce its chiplets packaging design to the client-graphics space. The next-generation "Navi 31" GPU will likely be the first of its kind: while multi-chip module (MCM) GPUs aren't new, this would be the first time that multiple logic chips would sit on a single package for client GPUs. AMD has plenty of experience with MCM GPUs, but those have been single logic chips surrounded by memory stacks. "Navi 31" uses multiple logic chips on a package; which is then wired to conventional discrete GDDR6 memory devices like any other client GPU.

The rumored Radeon RX 7900 XTX is features 12,288 stream processors, likely across two logic tiles that contain the SIMD components. These tiles are [for now] rumored to be built on the TSMC N5 (5 nm EUV) foundry process. The Display CoreNext (DCN), and Video CoreNext (VCN) components, as well as the GDDR6 memory controllers, will be built on separate chiplets that are likely built on TSMC N6 (6 nm). The "Navi 31" has a 384-bit wide memory interface. This is 384-bit and not "2x 192-bit," because the logic tiles don't have memory interfaces of their own, but rely on memory controller tiles shared between the two logic tiles, much in the same as a dual-channel DDR4 memory interface being shared between the two 8-core CPU chiplets on a Ryzen 5950X processor.
The RX 7900 XTX features 24 GB of GDDR6 memory across a 384-bit wide memory interface. This memory ticks at 20 Gbps speed, which means a raw memory bandwidth of 960 GB/s. AMD is also expected to deploy large on-die caches, which it calls the Infinity Cache, to further lubricate the GPU's memory sub-system. The most interesting aspect of this rumor is the card's typical board power value, of 420 W. Technically, this is in the same league as the 450 W typical graphics power value of the GeForce RTX 4090. Since its teaser earlier this year in the launch event of the Ryzen 7000 series desktop processors, speculation is rife that AMD will not deploy the 12+4 pin ATX 12VHPWR power connector with its Radeon RX 7000-series GPUs, and the reference-design board likely has up to three conventional 8-pin PCIe power connectors. You're any way having to spare four 8-pin connectors for an RTX 4090.

AMD's second-best SKU based on the "Navi 31" is expected to be the RX 7900 XT, with fewer stream processors—likely 10,752. The memory size is reduced to 20 GB, and the memory interface narrowed to 320-bit, which at 20 Gbps memory speed produces 800 GB/s of bandwidth. Keeping up with the trend of AMD's second-largest GPU having half the stream processors of the largest one (eg: "Navi 22" having 2,560 against the 5,120 of the "Navi 21,") the "Navi 32" chip will likely have one of these 6,144-SP logic tiles, and a narrower memory interface.
Source: VideoCardz
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95 Comments on AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX to Lead the RDNA3 Pack?

#76
ymdhis
Yeah, if this uses 400 watts, then I'll be more interested in the 7700 and 7600. I'd like to replace my Polaris, but the last AMD card in the same price region was actually worse than the good old RX480.
dj-electricAs silly as it is, I remember when XTX was a statement. Anyone who has been around the block remembers the X1950 XTX
I still have the AGP X1950 Pro. Since it was an AGP edition, it did not have PCIE power inputs, instead it had TWO molex inputs for power. And it was rather finicky about which PSU cables I connected to it, otherwise it randomly crashed - most likely different cables were attached to different power supply rails.
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#77
The Von Matrices
I'm struggling to understand the purpose of power-hungry GDDR6X when there are now 20Gbps GDDR6 chips.
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#78
AusWolf
The Von MatricesI'm struggling to understand the purpose of power-hungry GDDR6X when there are now 20Gbps GDDR6 chips.
It's a twist on modern consumerism, I guess. Everything with an X in its name is immediately better (even if it's really not).
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#80
mama
r9The 24gb will cost two kidneys while 20gb will cost one.
You need one kidney to live.
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#81
Nosada
mamaYou need one kidney to live.
He didn't mention they were his kidneys.
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#82
r9
mamaYou need one kidney to live.
Bundle deal = 7900XTX 24GB + Dialysis
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#83
Tropick
r9Bundle deal = 7900XTX 24GB + Dialysis
"For a limited time only take advantage of the AMD Raise the White Blood Cell Count bundle when you buy a 7900XTX and receive a weeks doses of erythropoietin free!"
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#84
ARF
zenlasermanGPU-L claims this beast will have 576 GP/s and 2304 GT/s vs the 4090's 440ish/1250ish. If the drivers are sound, we might have a good game here!
Except pure brute force, will AMD innovate this time with a new feature set, something like DirectX 13, unlimited detail technology, smart AI to generate frames with lowest possible load on the shaders, break-through ray-tracing performance, anything new and meaningful besides the pure production methods of splitting everything to small chiplets?
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#85
PapaTaipei
At some point it might be more sound to plug the GPU directly onto the house/wall power plug.
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#86
ARF
PapaTaipeiAt some point it might be more sound to plug the GPU directly onto the house/wall power plug.
Very good idea. Let's hope the big heads listen to such ideas because the direction we are heading now is quite hot and unpleasant. After the GPUs, it might be that CPUs also need independent power delivery from the main PSU circuits. :rolleyes:
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#87
shovenose
PapaTaipeiAt some point it might be more sound to plug the GPU directly onto the house/wall power plug.
Hah, maybe they'll all just be eGPU assemblies with their own PSU internally. Then you just connect it to your PC with USB-C 4.20 Gen69x123 and there you go.
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#88
Tropick
PapaTaipeiAt some point it might be more sound to plug the GPU directly onto the house/wall power plug.

Don't tempt me
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#89
Nopa
CallandorWoTJayz2cents and others have said with confidence that RDNA3 will be using the new power connector that 4090 uses, and that image is using two older style power connectors (if my zoom was correct).
Jayz2Cents? That guy's known as a joke among audiences and his statements should never be taken seriously... All rumours suggested AMD to max out within 450W TDP especially after the recent NV power cable disaster.
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#90
Jism
PapaTaipeiAt some point it might be more sound to plug the GPU directly onto the house/wall power plug.


3dfx salutes you.
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#91
ARF
What connectors would you like?

Is USB Type-C better than DisplayPort?
Which DP version - 2.1?


AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB & RX 7900 XT 20 GB "RDNA 3" Graphics Cards Leak Out (wccftech.com)
Jism

3dfx salutes you.
Great.
I was thinking about another solution. To attach the motherboards to the graphics cards, not the other way round as today. And to connect the main power cable directly from the PSU to the graphics card, while the secondary connector type hybrid 12+4-pin 12VHPWR can be connected to the motherboard instead :D
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#93
ARF
Nopa3 8-pins connecters should get the job done assuming they don't go crazy with wattages. I'm keeping an eye on the flagship 7950 XTX/7970 XTX/Radeon Pro.
32/48GB VRAM, MCM, PCIe 5.0 x16, DP 2.1, HDMI 2.1a would be a proper upgrade from 3090.
3 x 150 from cables + 75 from the slot is 525 watts, so I guess plenty for Radeon, even for the most aggressively overclocked versions.

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