Wednesday, November 23rd 2022

Announcing the TechPowerUp SSD Specs Database

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We are announcing the latest addition to our PC enthusiast databases, the new TechPowerUp SSD Specs Database. Modeled along the lines of our immensely popular GPU Database, CPU Database, and hardware Reviews Database, the new SSD Specs Database, curated by Gabriel Ferraz, aims to be a definitive repository of information on solid-state drive (SSD) hardware specs, for all to freely access. Here, you'll find a growing collection of client SSD hardware specs across all relevant form-factors and information. The database also helps you identify multiple hardware revisions of the same SSD model, so you're aware of any bait-and-switch incidents, or vague specs by manufacturers.

The TechPowerUp SSD Specs Database has individual info pages on each capacity variant of an SSD model; besides any hardware variants it may have. You can have quick, actionable information on specs such as controller, NAND flash, DRAM cache, advanced NAND flash specs, interface, protocol, controller hardware specs, and known performance numbers from our testing. We are constantly adding new drives to this database, and you can help us grow, not just by suggesting improvements to the database itself, but for additions to the database, please reach out to the curator on the main page. But for now, enjoy what we've built for you!

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215 Comments on Announcing the TechPowerUp SSD Specs Database

#126
_JP_
They are, but still waaaay cheaper than the 370S, for the same capacity. :laugh:
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#127
GabrielLP14
SSD DB Maintainer
_JP_They are, but still waaaay cheaper than the 370S. :laugh:
wait what? For real? ahahah
But these "Transcend" seems to be "inferior" lol
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#128
_JP_
I figured you'd find it weird, but this I why I went with the 370S, rather than the 860PRO:


Samsung 860 PRO

Transcend 370S
Plus, even more expensive and harder to find, but Transcend also made mSATA versions of the 370S up to 256GB that I needed for some field machines, that had to carry local R/W heavy software.t
But even for myself and I do tend to keep laptops for 10+ years, this gives me some peace-of-mind, regardless of backups. My T430 now has a mid-term solution with EVOs rather than what I'd like to have, but once the funds are available... :D
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#129
GabrielLP14
SSD DB Maintainer
_JP_I figured you'd find it weird, but this I why I went with the 370S, rather than the 860PRO:


Samsung 860 PRO

Transcend 370S
Plus, even more expensive and harder to find, but Transcend also made mSATA versions of the 370S up to 256GB that I needed for some field machines, that had to carry R/W heavy software.
lol i didn't remember those number from the 860 Pro, but now i get why hahaha
On another matter, what do you think of this layout:
www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/crucial-mx300-1-tb.d82

As you can see this SSD has 8 NAND Packages:
6x Micron 32-Layer TLC 1.152Tb (144GiB) "NW853" MT29F1T208ECHBBJ4-3R:B
2x Micron 32-Layer TLC 768Gb (96GiB) "NW852" MT29F768G08EEHBBJ4-3R:B
But we can only add one NAND Flash, what my idea was to add like NAND Flash (Type 1) NAND Flash (Type 2)
Something like this:
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#130
_JP_
Well, IMO, that is great for comparison on the same page but it can easily become cumbersome with the models that had the more bait-and-switch situations.
So, what about keeping one table, however the "(Type 1)", "(Type 2)".."(Type N)" are triggers that dynamically change the same table?
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#131
GabrielLP14
SSD DB Maintainer
_JP_Well, IMO, that is great for comparison on the same page but it can easily become cumbersome with the models that had the more bait-and-switch situations.
So, what about keeping one table, however the "(Type 1)", "(Type 2)".."(Type N)" are triggers that dynamically change the same table?
i don't think i got it, could you illustrate your idea?
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#132
Wirko
GabrielLP14On another matter, what do you think of this layout:
www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/crucial-mx300-1-tb.d82
As you can see this SSD has 8 NAND Packages:
6x Micron 32-Layer TLC 1.152Tb (144GiB) "NW853" MT29F1T208ECHBBJ4-3R:B
2x Micron 32-Layer TLC 768Gb (96GiB) "NW852" MT29F768G08EEHBBJ4-3R:B
My opinion: too much work just to account for this extremely rare situation, and even with the extra effort, the presentation of data would not be very elegant. Put the larger capacity package in the database and describe whatever makes the smaller package different in the notes. The die is the same, the difference is just 3 vs. 2 of them in a package, right?
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#133
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
_JP_3-12 months of guarantee that there will not be rotting bits (You'd be surprised how many people didn't know this was a thing for USB pens since those showed-up, where the guarantee was in hours to weeks, at best).
It doesn't mean that after that time your data simply becomes unrecoverable, there's still ECC. :laugh:
Really comes down to how the PCB is done, but regardless of that, it's worse for higher layered NAND.
Too bad SLC/MLC SSDs for lower capacities aren't a thing anymore, besides halo products. :oops:
The Transcend 370S was the last one I could find "widely available", being MLC, back in 2018. And I say it this way because I could find them at a few stores, but those had little stock and had them costing a small fortune for 512GB.
I've got USB 1.1 flash drives here with an entire 128MB of storage, and they still have decade old data on them - bootable DOS disk I use maybe once every 5 years
Heck look at a PS2 save game cartridge, they're 8MB and work after decades of storage (Do they have a battery?)

Flash memory has changed so much, IMO it's the best examples of tech progression - we've gone from 8MB devices with KB/s transfer rates to multiple TB storage in the same device that are still backwards compatible (SD cards)
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#134
GabrielLP14
SSD DB Maintainer
WirkoMy opinion: too much work just to account for this extremely rare situation, and even with the extra effort, the presentation of data would not be very elegant. Put the larger capacity package in the database and describe whatever makes the smaller package different in the notes. The die is the same, the difference is just 3 vs. 2 of them in a package, right?
exactly the die is the same, the only difference is that some nand flash has like 6 dies and others might have 4, for example. but all having the same die
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#135
GabrielLP14
SSD DB Maintainer
Does anyone have any data or info where i can find Micron's MLC 25nm Dies?
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#137
GabrielLP14
SSD DB Maintainer
I've found it but i can't open it :/
go.gale.com/ps/i.do?id=GALE%7CA252003241&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=0038111X&p=AONE&sw=w&userGroupName=anon%7E67dca5d3

That's what i've been able to dig so far
www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/crucial-m4-512-gb.d1288
WirkoThe database won't be complete until my 80 GB Intel X25-M G2 planar MLC drive makes an appearance. Maybe I can send the VLO ... if the utility runs on Windows XP.
Check it out buddy
www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/intel-x25-m-g2-160-gb.d1296

I'm going to add the 120GB and 80GB, took me a while to find data, but i've finally found it
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#138
Wirko
GabrielLP14Check it out buddy
www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/intel-x25-m-g2-160-gb.d1296

I'm going to add the 120GB and 80GB, took me a while to find data, but i've finally found it
Muito obrigado! Nice to see that you can dig up so much info about this old stuff. Also, the 80 and 160 GB models came first, the 120 GB a bit later. There was also the X18-M G2, the 1.8" version, made with same parts, apparently having the same characteristics.

Here is some endurance and overprovisioning info about the X25-M G2. Also at Anand's. The numbers are scaringly low at ~94 P/E cycles but note that this kind of endurance is called "Total 4KB Random Writes (Drive Lifespan)". Ha!

Any plans to cover more old SSDs? I remember the OCZ Vertex line for example, they were immensely popular because of their great performance. At the same time they were very much inclined to die early, at least some models, I don't remember which specifically. Had a Vertex 4 at work for four years, no issues.
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#139
GabrielLP14
SSD DB Maintainer
WirkoMuito obrigado! Nice to see that you can dig up so much info about this old stuff. Also, the 80 and 160 GB models came first, the 120 GB a bit later. There was also the X18-M G2, the 1.8" version, made with same parts, apparently having the same characteristics.

Here is some endurance and overprovisioning info about the X25-M G2. Also at Anand's. The numbers are scaringly low at ~94 P/E cycles but note that this kind of endurance is called "Total 4KB Random Writes (Drive Lifespan)". Ha!

Any plans to cover more old SSDs? I remember the OCZ Vertex line for example, they were immensely popular because of their great performance. At the same time they were very much inclined to die early, at least some models, I don't remember which specifically. Had a Vertex 4 at work for four years, no issues.
Haha no problem.
If i could i'd add everything i see, the issue as we've previously discussed is that regarding SSDs, reviewers typically don't do as in depth as usual for things like GPU or CPUs.
Specially in ancient reviews.
i'd love to add more drives, if you could give me a list of suggestions i'll do my best to add them all :D
I'm familiar with OCZ but since i'm quite "new" to reviewing SSDs (been doing in depth reviews for 2 years now) i didn't catch OCZ before it was bought by Toshiba.
i'll also update the X25-M G2 thanks again :D
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#141
Wirko
GabrielLP14Hmm what do you guys think of this NAND Flash section of this Samsung 840 EVO 750GB, since it has 2 different NAND Flashs:
www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/samsung-840-evo-750-gb.d41


I'm "NAMING" IT NAND 2, should i call it something else?
MLC *and* TLC, is that correct?

If it is then fine. I mean weird, but your presentation is fine. Maybe add a line or some other visual separation between NAND and NAND2.

But if there's just one type of die and two different chip packages, I suggest doing the same as with the MX300: put the larger package in the database, and leave a mention of the other one in the notes.
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#142
W1zzard
WirkoMLC *and* TLC, is that correct?

If it is then fine. I mean weird, but your presentation is fine. Maybe add a line or some other visual separation between NAND and NAND2.

But if there's just one type of die and two different chip packages, I suggest doing the same as with the MX300: put the larger package in the database, and leave a mention of the other one in the notes.
This is a weird one indeed. The "NAND2" are manually added entries that aren't part of the underlying database. The "add custom property" interface doesn't have the capability to add separators. And given how rare this case is I don't think it's worth spending time adding (at this point)
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#143
GabrielLP14
SSD DB Maintainer
WirkoMLC *and* TLC, is that correct?

If it is then fine. I mean weird, but your presentation is fine. Maybe add a line or some other visual separation between NAND and NAND2.

But if there's just one type of die and two different chip packages, I suggest doing the same as with the MX300: put the larger package in the database, and leave a mention of the other one in the notes.
Was MLC indeed, was a typing mistake
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#144
GabrielLP14
SSD DB Maintainer
Guys i'm coming to you again for help, does anybody have a clue on how to download datasheets from these websites? I can visualize the first pages but not the full documentation
download.csdn.net/download/house703/10471011?utm_medium=distribute.pc_relevant_download.none-task-download-2~default~BlogCommendFromBaidu~Rate-3-10471011-download-9521943.layer_compare_v2&depth_1-utm_source=distribute.pc_relevant_download.none-task-download-2~default~BlogCommendFromBaidu~Rate-3-10471011-download-9521943.layer_compare_v2&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fdownload.csdn.net%2Fdownload%2Fhouse703%2F10471011&spm=1003.2020.3001.6616.3
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#145
S456
GabrielLP14Guys i'm coming to you again for help, does anybody have a clue on how to download datasheets from these websites? I can visualize the first pages but not the full documentation
download.csdn.net/download/house703/10471011?utm_medium=distribute.pc_relevant_download.none-task-download-2~default~BlogCommendFromBaidu~Rate-3-10471011-download-9521943.layer_compare_v2&depth_1-utm_source=distribute.pc_relevant_download.none-task-download-2~default~BlogCommendFromBaidu~Rate-3-10471011-download-9521943.layer_compare_v2&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fdownload.csdn.net%2Fdownload%2Fhouse703%2F10471011&spm=1003.2020.3001.6616.3
Seems to be asking for a login. I used a translator and attached the result.
Did you log-in to it and then get all pages or not? Otherwise looks like it needs some sort of VIP membership.
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#146
GabrielLP14
SSD DB Maintainer
S456Seems to be asking for a login. I used a translator and attached the result.
Did you log-in to it and then get all pages or not? Otherwise looks like it needs some sort of VIP membership.
Appears so, damn it :/
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#147
S456
GabrielLP14Appears so, damn it :/
Have you tried Doc88? I have found that usesful for technical stuff before (though usually standards), and you can usually see the whole document when you click the blue button at the bottom (after the preview).
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#148
GabrielLP14
SSD DB Maintainer
S456Have you tried Doc88? I have found that usesful for technical stuff before (though usually standards), and you can usually see the whole document when you click the blue button at the bottom (after the preview).
Never heard of it, link?
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#149
S456
GabrielLP14Never heard of it, link?
Just doc88.com. I found it when somebody was talking about electrical standards documents, and I know that it has quite a lot of them. I checked and there are certainly quite a few NAND datasheets there, though I don't think that specific one from the csdn site that you linked to is on there, unfortunately.
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#150
Dwarden
please allow us to search in advanced filters via 'features'
e.g. like PLP
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