efikkanAre you talking about texture filtering or about interpolating to a higher resolution?
For texture filtering I just assume people run 16x AF, as it is so cheap. I remember it being a thing almost 20 years ago, but haven't seen much of it since. Running without AF would usually be a blurry mess, unless the far textures are very high resolution, then you'll get a headache-inducing flickering nightmare. AF isn't perfect though, you can get a very visible "banding effect", where it's either flickering or blurry. Games have the ability to control this, but success will vary depending on the configuration.
Are there particular games which are known to do this badly?

I meant going to Nvidia CP to switch to high-quality to force the use of trilinear instead brilinear.

BwazeRemember, you can't compare Ada MSRP with Ampere MSRP, because that one was fake and prices were much higher during majority of that generation.

So don't remember to compare to scalped prices, and only imagination can limit you on how expensive you want them to appear so Ada cards will look inviting!

Imagination!

Remember, this is exactly what NV wants you to believe, they just couldn't see scalpers & etailers getting so much profits over MSRP and NV couldn't get any. They say that consumers are just willing to pay, so they priced the 4080 as such, eating as much profit as they can.

ArgyrPrices don't matter, because the world economy is hardcoded to make us pay more as time goes on.

For the 1% minority i agree. For the 99% majority prices absolutely matter. Yep the world economy and recent events have affected the product and services market but recent GPU MSRPs is hardly a result of that... more like Nvidia and AMDs in-house world economies with shareholders as governing benefactors are the cause of the current cows backside milked-up MSRPs (NVIDIA clearly being the bigger offender). As much as businesses are free to push up on profits like theres no tomorrow and completely disregard the popular customer base at the lower and mid end, no one should be surprised with the growing counter-criticism which goes hand in hand. The shocking part of it all.... you are either a "consumer" who wants best/reasonable value for your hard earned cash or even pay a little on top for the satisfying experience or your a Brand affiliate who has a problem with broader consumer sentiments... you can't be both. I've been accused of being an AMD-pusher for resenting current 4080/4090 inflate-standardised new MSRPs. Which is absolutely absurd... haven't bought an AMD card since Adam and Eve. I would still throw myself at a 4080 should Nvidia axe it down to $800. But that aint gonna happen, well not anytime soon. I'm now ready to pull the trigger on anything for ~$800, whether RTX or RDNA3 providing the performance uplift widely surpasses my current 2080 TI. In your opinion, which would be more likely for the ~$800 grab, RTX or RDNA3? (keep in mind, $800 for a mid-ranged high performance card is already a F'ing Piss take)

wheresmycarFor the 1% minority i agree. For the 99% majority prices absolutely matter. Yep the world economy and recent events have affected the product and services market but recent GPU MSRPs is hardly a result of that... more like Nvidia and AMDs in-house world economies with shareholders as governing benefactors are the cause of the current cows backside milked-up MSRPs (NVIDIA clearly being the bigger offender). As much as businesses are free to push up on profits like theres no tomorrow and completely disregard the popular customer base at the lower and mid end, no one should be surprised with the growing counter-criticism which goes hand in hand. The shocking part of it all.... you are either a "consumer" who wants best/reasonable value for your hard earned cash or even pay a little on top for the satisfying experience or your a Brand affiliate who has a problem with broader consumer sentiments... you can't be both. I've been accused of being an AMD-pusher for resenting current 4080/4090 inflate-standardised new MSRPs. Which is absolutely absurd... haven't bought an AMD card since Adam and Eve. I would still throw myself at a 4080 should Nvidia axe it down to $800. But that aint gonna happen, well not anytime soon. I'm now ready to pull the trigger on anything for ~$800, whether RTX or RDNA3 providing the performance uplift widely surpasses my current 2080 TI. In your opinion, which would be more likely for the ~$800 grab, RTX or RDNA3? (keep in mind, $800 for a mid-ranged high performance card is already a F'ing Piss take)

don't get me wrong, but you're on a pretty decent card, you have the choice to rebel against the MSRP prices. But imagine if you ran a 2060 6Gb card like me. When I bought it in 2019 I thought It would be futureproof for 5-6 years, but PC games in the last couple of years became increasingly demanding, pretty steep actually. I was fine with a 750 Ti for many years before that. The days of PC gaming, as a cheap or affordable hobby are over. Some people need more time to accept this. It's not only Nvidia's fault, the whole system sucks. PC gaming is a niche market, and prices will continue to creep up. New generations of gamers will start buying hardware, and they wont even know how cheap shit used to be. After a while, only us "boomers" will remember the good old times when you could hop generations effortlessly. PC gaming will become a luxury hobby, and it's not only Nvidias fault.

How in the hell is it possible that a simple case fan that doesn't earrape you costs 40 bucks? A stupid peace of plastic for 40 bucks. And there is enormous competition in the fans market, and they still treat us like fools. So what's so surprising about GPU giants shenaningans, where there is almost non-existant competition.

Only two things can mitigate the problem:
Extreme competition to break down prices (which is unlikely because it's a niche market and very few entities can enter the market)
Reaching a point where it's not necessary to upgrade hardware anymore, where you can run a card for 15 years so a one time investment makes the prices look much better

Argyrdon't get me wrong, but you're on a pretty decent card, you have the choice to rebel against the MSRP prices. But imagine if you ran a 2060 6Gb card like me. When I bought it in 2019 I thought It would be futureproof for 5-6 years, but PC games in the last couple of years became increasingly demanding, pretty steep actually. I was fine with a 750 Ti for many years before that. The days of PC gaming, as a cheap or affordable hobby are over. Some people need more time to accept this. It's not only Nvidia's fault, the whole system sucks. PC gaming is a niche market, and prices will continue to creep up. New generations of gamers will start buying hardware, and they wont even know how cheap shit used to be. After a while, only us "boomers" will remember the good old times when you could hop generations effortlessly. PC gaming will become a luxury hobby, and it's not only Nvidias fault.

How in the hell is it possible that a simple case fan that doesn't earrape you costs 40 bucks? A stupid peace of plastic for 40 bucks. And there is enormous competition in the fans market, and they still treat us like fools. So what's so surprising about GPU giants shenaningans, where there is almost non-existant competition.

Only two things can mitigate the problem:
Extreme competition to break down prices (which is unlikely because it's a niche market and very few entities can enter the market)
Reaching a point where it's not necessary to upgrade hardware anymore, where you can run a card for 15 years so a one time investment makes the prices look much better

Did you know your 2060 6GB is a direct match to the 1080 with 8GB in core performance? That right there is a writing on the wall: already GPUs moved to a tigher fit the moment RT got introduced. And the 2060 was effectively one of the best offers in the (early) Turing stack as well. That was the first time perf/dollar came to a near complete standstill over 2 years of time between gens. In the meantime, it couldn't, can't and will never do any kind of meaningful RT. Although, fair's fair, x60 was never endowed with VRAM to last it longer than 3-4 years. But that reduction right there is a painful one. The same thing happened with 3080 10GB. Trimmed down below par. The 1080 I have now is getting long in the tooth, too. But I'm still pushing 3440x1440 on it, see games exceed 6GB VRAM, and they run well; especially with FSR. Small difference: the latter card is now reaching the age of 6~6,5 years.

TL DR-your expectations weren't wrong, but you did buy the wrong card to do it with. When you're looking to last 4+ years with a GPU, you want VRAM headroom, and enough bandwidth. The exact thing Nvidia is cutting down since Turing.

That's in a nutshell what has been happening across the Nvidia stack at large. Today, we see a 4090 that on release struggles already on two notable games; Cyberpunk at full tilt and Portal, the latter being a horribly simplified full path traced application, after all, its geometry and texture simplicity offers major optimization chances. We're like those donkeys chasing the carrot. We'll never eat it, but we'll sniff it from time to time if only we keep running to the latest greatest. I've never been a donkey like that, it just doesn't feel right to me. I feel like being taken for a ride.

Innovation, progress, I guess so, all I see is pretty limited progress for three generations worth of innovation... for an extreme performance cost. Even with DLSS3 on the FPS gets a factor 4-5 worse in Portal. Without DLSS3, its a factor 20 worse or even more. Is it a better game for it? I'm really not seeing it tbh...

Its worth questioning this push.

HAPPY with my RTX 3070

Only the RTX 4090 is impressive so far. The door is wide open for AMD.

matarHAPPY with my RTX 3070

Me Too.

NVidia is really crippling that bus. 192bit on those powerful cards is such a dick move. if they want market segmentation they can just play with the # of cores. not sure what theyre doing. both of those cards will take a huge hit in 4k and beyond. i would skip both if you play at a resolution higher than 1440p.

HxxNVidia is really crippling that bus. even 256 bandwith will get chocked in 4k. probably the main reason why a 4080 will be losing the 4k benchies against a 7900 xtx. not sure what nvidia is thinking. there are plenty of gamers who want 4k high refresh.

4080 should lose all benchies against the XTX. If it doesn't, AMD is in a big big trouble. Because it won't have competitors to 4090.
I thought the XTX targets 4090, not the pitiful and lower grade 4080.

Navi 21 was relatively slower at 2160p exactly because of the limited memory throughput which the Infinity Cache of only 128 MB couldn't compensate.

Hxxi would skip both if you play at a resolution higher than 1440p.

Not really. They will be very fast even for 2160p because you can set the in-game settings to medium, high, very-high and ultra-high depending on the demands of the particular game engine.
Hell, you will be even able to play CS:GO at 4320p, no worries :D

ARF4080 should lose all benchies against the XTX. If it doesn't, AMD is in a big big trouble. Because it won't have competitors to 4090.
I thought the XTX targets 4090, not the pitiful and lower grade 4080.

Navi 21 was relatively slower at 2160p exactly because of the limited memory throughput which the Infinity Cache of only 128 MB couldn't compensate.

sorry edited my post but yeah i agree. im so pissed at nvidia releasing a $1.2k card on a 256 bit bus ... like wtf. thats why the gap at 4k will be much higher between the XTX and the 4080 than at lower resolutions.

Hxxsorry edited my post but yeah i agree. im so pissed at nvidia releasing a $1.2k card on a 256 bit bus ... like wtf. thats why the gap at 4k will be much higher between the XTX and the 4080 than at lower resolutions.

Unfortunately, the mining, scalper-rule times are not in the past :(
You vote with your wallet - could buy a faster $0.9k card from AMD - 7900 XT 20 GB. You also get 4 GB VRAM more.

Vayra86Did you know your 2060 6GB is a direct match to the 1080 with 8GB in core performance? That right there is a writing on the wall: already GPUs moved to a tigher fit the moment RT got introduced. And the 2060 was effectively one of the best offers in the (early) Turing stack as well. That was the first time perf/dollar came to a near complete standstill over 2 years of time between gens. In the meantime, it couldn't, can't and will never do any kind of meaningful RT. Although, fair's fair, x60 was never endowed with VRAM to last it longer than 3-4 years. But that reduction right there is a painful one. The same thing happened with 3080 10GB. Trimmed down below par. The 1080 I have now is getting long in the tooth, too. But I'm still pushing 3440x1440 on it, see games exceed 6GB VRAM, and they run well; especially with FSR. Small difference: the latter card is now reaching the age of 6~6,5 years.

TL DR-your expectations weren't wrong, but you did buy the wrong card to do it with. When you're looking to last 4+ years with a GPU, you want VRAM headroom, and enough bandwidth. The exact thing Nvidia is cutting down since Turing.

That's in a nutshell what has been happening across the Nvidia stack at large. Today, we see a 4090 that on release struggles already on two notable games; Cyberpunk at full tilt and Portal, the latter being a horribly simplified full path traced application, after all, its geometry and texture simplicity offers major optimization chances. We're like those donkeys chasing the carrot. We'll never eat it, but we'll sniff it from time to time if only we keep running to the latest greatest. I've never been a donkey like that, it just doesn't feel right to me. I feel like being taken for a ride.

Innovation, progress, I guess so, all I see is pretty limited progress for three generations worth of innovation... for an extreme performance cost. Even with DLSS3 on the FPS gets a factor 4-5 worse in Portal. Without DLSS3, its a factor 20 worse or even more. Is it a better game for it? I'm really not seeing it tbh...

Its worth questioning this push.

No idea what's going on with the 4090, my only comment would be that Cyberpunk is a POS programmed by idiots, maybe it's not only the cards fault. And hey, remember the October driver update that handed out double digit performance boosts for all DX12 cards? maybe they need to work some more on the 4090 drivers. just guessing here. I never cared much about the top end. But I agree, RT needs work, and I personally hate DLSS and FSR, they both look awful.

Wow, that sucks!
I'm glad I bought a 3070 now....

Rtx 4070 is a scam.

loracle706Rtx 4070 is a scam.

Don't we need to see performance/$ to make that call?
I'm not saying you're wrong, and if I were a betting man, I'd bet you'll be right - but it's way too early to know at the moment.

Yeah... People should just stop judging products by the individual numbers they carry alone. This is false mindset IMHO, that (some) people carry over the years
Legit benchmarks is the only way to judge and eventually the perf/$-€ and/or from features every individual user is interested in.

Bit bus is just a single number on a equation. As speeds, cores/stream processors/MBs count, and all other bits and pieces of modern PCs are.
Wait until all of them are put to real usage together and then make up your minds.

Its only logical and rational.

Zach_01Yeah... People should just stop judging products by the individual numbers they carry alone. This is false mindset IMHO, that (some) people carry over the years
Legit benchmarks is the only way to judge and eventually the perf/$-€ and/or from features every individual user is interested in.

Bit bus is just a single number on a equation. As speeds, cores/stream processors/MBs count, and all other bits and pieces of modern PCs are.
Wait until all of them are put to real usage together and then make up your minds.

Its only logical and rational.

Tbh, you can actually tell the performance of a card going by its technical specs. If you know typical game and compute loads, which part is acting like a bottleneck, which part is underutilized, you can tell how increasing this or narrowing that will affect performance. Somehow, a surprising amount of posters over here seem to be familiar with those details. I am ashamed not to be part of that club.