Monday, December 26th 2022
Intel "Raptor Lake Refresh" Meant to Fill in for Scrapped "Meteor Lake" Desktop?
Intel's 2023 roadmap for the desktop processor segment sees the company flesh out its 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" desktop family with 65 W (locked) SKUs, and the new i9-13900KS flagship; followed by a new lineup of processors under the "Raptor Lake Refresh" family, due for Q3-2023, with no mentions of a desktop "Meteor Lake" processor in the year. It turns out that "Raptor Lake Refresh" is being designed to fill in for these (i.e. there won't be any "Meteor Lake" desktop chips). This, according to OneRaichu, a reliable source with Intel leaks.
"Meteor Lake" is Intel's first client processor to fully incorporate the company's IDM 2.0 product development strategy of disintegrating the processor into multiple chiplets built on various foundry nodes based on design needs; and combining them onto a single package with a high-performance interconnect. "Meteor Lake" has just one problem and that is CPU core-counts, with rumors pointing to 6P+16E (6 performance cores + 16 efficiency cores) being the maximum core-count possible, something Intel probably feels won't be competitive in the desktop segment against AMD, which will probably have a lineup of "Zen 4" X3D processors out by Q3-2023, with up to 16 P-cores. The company will, however, give "Meteor Lake" a sizable launch in the various mobile segments.
"Raptor Lake Refresh" remains shrouded in mystery, particularly what Intel does with packaging it—whether it retains LGA1700 or uses the next LGA1851 package; or whether it is a speed-bump, or like "Coffee Lake Refresh," Intel could even increases the core-counts. Assuming Intel doesn't change the silicon from the present 8P+16E, the "Refresh" series could see incremental core-count uplifts among each Core brand extension (eg: Core i5 going from 6P+8E to 6P+16E); besides clock speed increases. Should Intel take the path of changing the socket to LGA1851, the company might change the branding to 14th Gen Core, release a new chipset, with the socket probably offering improved I/O, such as CPU-attached PCIe Gen 5 NVMe (currently Gen 4). These LGA1851 motherboards will come with preparation for next-generation "Arrow Lake" processors due in 2024.
Sources:
OneRaichu (Twitter), HotHardware
"Meteor Lake" is Intel's first client processor to fully incorporate the company's IDM 2.0 product development strategy of disintegrating the processor into multiple chiplets built on various foundry nodes based on design needs; and combining them onto a single package with a high-performance interconnect. "Meteor Lake" has just one problem and that is CPU core-counts, with rumors pointing to 6P+16E (6 performance cores + 16 efficiency cores) being the maximum core-count possible, something Intel probably feels won't be competitive in the desktop segment against AMD, which will probably have a lineup of "Zen 4" X3D processors out by Q3-2023, with up to 16 P-cores. The company will, however, give "Meteor Lake" a sizable launch in the various mobile segments.
61 Comments on Intel "Raptor Lake Refresh" Meant to Fill in for Scrapped "Meteor Lake" Desktop?
As of now, those e+P CPU`s are doing fine in real life gaming experience.
No reason for it will go backwards and if so, they will simply won`s sell :)
Yep poll was taken not to long ago there are some puddles 9th-10th-11th :laugh:
www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/what-cpu-architecture-do-you-use.301580/
Yeah.. no. Your "why" doesn't makes sense.I've used both, does that make me a bisexual?That's a lot of FUD to digest. ;) You left out the part about Intel having competitive IGP's only the last few years, something that didn't exist during the Vega years AFAIK. I'm pretty sure it will affect AMD at some point.
Lets not forget how much IGP performance increase Zen 3+ actually brought. I doubt Raptor runs faster than that.
It's not like what you're saying is impossible tho.It's not like fastest IGP evar is the most sought after feature in a laptop anyway. Intel will probably sell more laptop CPU's, but for other reasons.
Raptor:21.94k = 13900K/F:13.66k + 13700K/F:4.84k + 13600K/F:3.44k
Raphael:12.97k = 7950X:5.47k + 7900X:4.72k + 7700X:2.02k + 7600X:0.76k
Passmark #samples (Dec 27)
Raptor:2077 = 13900K/F:958 + 13700K/F:606 + 13600K/F:513
Raphael:1447 = 7950X:671 + 7900X:293 + 7700X:328 + 7600X:155
Considering the difference in sales period, it is estimated that Raptor is selling at a pace two to three times that of Raphael. Perhaps, but Q4 2022 global retail sales numbers would be in the 50-120% range for Intel (ADL+RPL) sales relative to AMD (AM5+AM4) in DIY market.
This method successfully predicted the large drop in AMD sales in Q3 2022 but is not suitable for vertical comparisons, since the 7700X actually sells about twice as much as the 7950X.
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/5800x3d-slashed-£329-329.300357/#post-4871779
www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/pc/229189
AMD_Stock/comments/zg21j0
In the Japanese data, Intel overtook AMD in number of units sold in Feb 2022, and AMD is currently overtaking them, mainly with the Ryzen5000 series. Intel is now 75% of AMD in terms of units sold and about the same in terms of revenue.
The problem is Zen 4 reached Intel's 12th gen single core performance and failed to matching 13th gen at it.
It didn't help that Intel has really nice performance using E-cores when it matters.
Besides, Amazon.com (see above) tells the same story, without numbers, obviously.