Monday, January 2nd 2023

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti to Launch $100 Cheaper Than RTX 4080 12 GB

A leaked NVIDIA company slide confirms that the upcoming GeForce RTX 4070 Ti graphics card will launch at a starting price of USD $799. This would put it $100 cheaper than what was going to be the launch price of the RTX 4080 12 GB. NVIDIA cancelled the launch of the RTX 4080 12 GB, and reportedly re-branded it to the RTX 4070 Ti. The RTX 4080 12 GB was supposed to launch alongside the RTX 4080 16 GB in mid-November 2022, but the company decided to "unlaunch" it, in the wake of bad press on the confusing and deceptive naming of the SKU, and its ambitious MSRP that would have put custom-design cards well above the $1,000-mark.

The NVIDIA slide goes on to claim that the RTX 4070 Ti will be faster than the previous-generation flagship, the RTX 3090 Ti. This is thanks to its 40 shader TFLOP/s, 93 RT TFLOP/s, and 642 Tensor TFLOP/s. The RTX 4070 Ti is expected to debut the new 4 nm "AD104" silicon, featuring 7,680 CUDA cores, 60 RT cores, 240 Tensor cores, 240 TMUs, and 80 ROPs. The card features 12 GB of 21 Gbps GDDR6X memory across a rather narrow 192-bit memory bus. The slide confirms that January 5, 2023 will be the market availability date for the RTX 4070 Ti. NVIDIA's decision to price the RTX 4070 Ti at $799 may have been influenced by the AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT priced at $899.
Source: VideoCardz
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115 Comments on NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti to Launch $100 Cheaper Than RTX 4080 12 GB

#27
Hxx
Minus Infinity7900XTX should be $899, 7900XT should be $749, 4070 Ti should be $599, 4080 $849

Don't care, for now I'm getting a second hand 6800XT to upgrade my 1080 Ti and will revisit the 7900 cards maybe in 6 months when I build my new rig. Definitely want to get a 4K monitor this year and the 7900XTX would be ideal.
the 4080 should sit above a 7900 xtx because its objectively a better card.
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#28
Arkz
Hxxthe 4080 should sit above a 7900 xtx because its objectively a better card.
Isn't it only better in RT? Worse in raster, and that's gonna effect more games.
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#29
Why_Me
ArkzIsn't it only better in RT? Worse in raster, and that's gonna effect more games.
Unlike the 7900 XTX, the 4080 doesn't have any defects tmk not to mention that card is loaded with Nvidia goodies including DLSS3 along with solid drivers. If the availability is decent for the 4070 Ti then it could very well be the go-to card a lot for peeps gaming @ 1440P and that of course includes streamers.

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#30
neatfeatguy
ArkzMSRP on the 3080 Ti $1200 according to TPU database, which was a rip compared to the 3080 being about 11% slower but for $700. Either way for over 2 years after the 3080 came out this thing should be less, but no doubt wont be. Both sides are taking us for a ride with the pricing.
The 3080Ti released at $1119, at least according to the info I can find. They didn't stay that price for long, quickly jumped past what a 3090 MSRP'ed for and then some, reaching upwards of $1800 or more, nipping at the overpriced heels of the 3090s sitting past $2k.

Fast forward about 3 months and the 3080 12GB dropped, with the 3080Ti and 3090 upwards of $2k+ and the 3080 10GB pushing the $1k range, the 12GB model dropped in without a MSRP and started selling for about $1200 retail. Eventually a MSRP was listed for the 3080 12GB at $899....or 799 (I don't remember without looking). It was all just a big fustercluck.

Thankfully Nvidia (and it appears AMD is on board with Nvidia's methods) are working on making this current gen a fustercluck, too, when it comes to pricing and performance gains. I guess we wait to see what these mid-ranged cards can bring to the table with performance and pricing.
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#31
Why_Me
neatfeatguyThe 3080Ti released at $1119, at least according to the info I can find. They didn't stay that price for long, quickly jumped past what a 3090 MSRP'ed for and then some, reaching upwards of $1800 or more, nipping at the overpriced heels of the 3090s sitting past $2k.

Fast forward about 3 months and the 3080 12GB dropped, with the 3080Ti and 3090 upwards of $2k+ and the 3080 10GB pushing the $1k range, the 12GB model dropped in without a MSRP and started selling for about $1200 retail. Eventually a MSRP was listed for the 3080 12GB at $899....or 799 (I don't remember without looking). It was all just a big fustercluck.

Thankfully Nvidia (and it appears AMD is on board with Nvidia's methods) are working on making this current gen a fustercluck, too, when it comes to pricing and performance gains. I guess we wait to see what these mid-ranged cards can bring to the table with performance and pricing.
Wasn't that during the mining boom?
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#32
TheDeeGee
I'm expecting €1000-1100 here in the Netherlands then.
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#33
Hxx
ArkzIsn't it only better in RT? Worse in raster, and that's gonna effect more games.
its on par on raster depending on games while having those added features (there is a post above that has the 1440p screenshot with the avg FPS). so i guess its not so simple to answer as neither of them dominates the other (in raster) but that to me would imply there is more value in the 4080. Differently said, if both were the same price, i think the XTX variant would have sat on shelves as much as the 4080 does.
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#34
Garrus
Why_MeUnlike the 7900 XTX, the 4080 doesn't have any defects tmk not to mention that card is loaded with Nvidia goodies including DLSS3 along with solid drivers. If the availability is decent for the 4070 Ti then it could very well be the go-to card a lot for peeps gaming @ 1440P and that of course includes streamers.

The 7900 XTX has no defects. Why do you come to this website if you don't trust his reviews? Any defects mentioned in the review? No. Literally every youtube reviewer that I've watched (10+) has checked their junction temps and had zero problems. That's a cooler problem and not a GPU problem anyways, and is a limited issue.

Meanwhile nVidia has melting cables.

I want to see $700 for the XT and $900 for the XTX or I'm not buying. I'm sitting this out for 6 months and see where we are. The 3060-class GPU die in the 4070 Ti is an insult. $600, fine, but $800? NO way. Garbage.
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#35
the54thvoid
Super Intoxicated Moderator
$800 will become somewhere between £850-950, I figure.

Not good value at all.
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#36
Dirt Chip
So 100$ less and 8GB less than 7900XT for probably the same pref.
I won`t believe until I see 4070Ti selling for less than 7900XT but if so, can be a good choice in those uber-high $$$ times.
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#37
Why_Me
Dirt ChipSo 100$ less and 8GB less than 7900XT for probably the same pref.
I won`t believe until I see 4070Ti selling for less than 7900XT but if so, can be a good choice in those uber-high $$$ times.
Or how about we wait to see the reviews on that card. Truth be told we all know AMD cards sell for cheap vs their Nvidia counterparts and there's a reason for that.
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#38
ratirt
I can barely say meh for this card. Actually, I thought about it and I retract my meh cause this card doesn't even deserve meh from me with that price.
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#39
Hxx
GarrusThe 7900 XTX has no defects. Why do you come to this website if you don't trust his reviews? Any defects mentioned in the review? No. Literally every youtube reviewer that I've watched (10+) has checked their junction temps and had zero problems. That's a cooler problem and not a GPU problem anyways, and is a limited issue.

Meanwhile nVidia has melting cables.

I want to see $700 for the XT and $900 for the XTX or I'm not buying. I'm sitting this out for 6 months and see where we are. The 3060-class GPU die in the 4070 Ti is an insult. $600, fine, but $800? NO way. Garbage.
to be fair, the melting cable was user error but I suppose we can fault nvidia for designing yet another connector that the customer need to deal with
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#40
Why_Me
ratirtI can barely say meh for this card. Actually, I thought about it and I retract my meh cause this card doesn't even deserve meh from me with that price.
A card with an MSRP of $800 that might possibly well sit between the 3090 and 3090 Ti at 1440P .. the resolution this card is meant for. :wtf:
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#41
b1k3rdude
GarrusThe 7900 XTX has no defects. Why do you come to this website if you don't trust his reviews? Any defects mentioned in the review? No. Literally every youtube reviewer that I've watched (10+) has checked their junction temps and had zero problems. That's a cooler problem and not a GPU problem anyways, and is a limited issue.
Incorrect, De8auer got in a number of stock AMD 7900's and found defect in the vaper champer -
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#42
N/A
Faster than 3090Ti only with fake morphed frame insertion running exclusively on the 4070. Other than that barely a 3080 12.
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#43
Why_Me
N/AFaster than 3090Ti only with fake morphed frame insertion running exclusively on the 4070. Other than that barely a 3080 12.
We don't know that until we see Wizard's review of that card.

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#44
the54thvoid
Super Intoxicated Moderator
There's no doubt it'll be a decent card in terms of generational performance. I'm expecting lower power consumption than the old 2080ti and possibly better performance than perhaps the 3090.

It's just that bloody pricing. Nobody should be defending the bar that Nvidia set and AMD followed.
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#45
big_glasses
b1k3rdudeIncorrect, De8auer got in a number of stock AMD 7900's and found defect in the vaper champer -
That's (possibly) only the MBA version of 7900XTX, not 7900 specifically (and again possibly only one batch or subset of a batch)
As @Garrus says, in the post you quotes:
That's a cooler problem and not a GPU problem anyways, and is a limited issue.
If you're mentioning that, might as well pull in the cable problem (this gen) or the problem "discovered" by new World (last gen).
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Price still too high for what they give in perf, which at this rate shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, given both Nvidia and AMDs pricing.
But unless you are gaming at high res/framerate, you can keep playing with old cards (got a mate on 1070 and my old laptop with 1060m still is playable)
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#46
b1k3rdude
Regarding the current prices for card, here in the Uk the prices are for once lower than in other parts of the world, at or lower than MSRP.

3080-10GB - £720 - www.scan.co.uk/products/palit-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-gamingpro-v1-10gb-gddr6x-ray-tracing-graphics-card-8704-core-1710mhz-b
6800XT - £650 - www.overclockers.co.uk/powercolor-radeon-rx-6800-xt-red-devil-16gb-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-19t-pc.html
7900XT - £899 - but all of these are based on the AMD reference design, with the potentially faulty vapor chamber.
big_glassesThat's (possibly) only the MBA version of 7900XTX, not 7900 specifically (and again possibly only one batch or subset of a batch)
As @Garrus says, in the post you quotes:
A number of AIB's have also used the stock AMD design, so no, not just MBA. Der8auer commented that this issue is effecting thousands of cards, which is a lot worse than the 50 cases (so nVidia says) of the power connector issue with the 4090.
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#47
big_glasses
b1k3rdudeRegarding the current prices for card, here in the Uk the prices are for once lower than in other parts of the world, at or lower than MSRP.

3080-10GB - £720 - www.scan.co.uk/products/palit-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-gamingpro-v1-10gb-gddr6x-ray-tracing-graphics-card-8704-core-1710mhz-b
6800XT - £650 - www.overclockers.co.uk/powercolor-radeon-rx-6800-xt-red-devil-16gb-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-19t-pc.html
7900XT - £899 - but all of these are based on the AMD reference design, with the potentially faulty vapor chamber.
Checked prices here(Norway), and could see one (or some) 6800XT higher priced than the 7900XTX.... though most cheaper
3080 10GB - 9999,- NOK (1,004 USD)
6800 XT - 8 699,- NOK (874 USD)
7900 XT - 11 290,- NOK (1,135 USD)
4080 - 16 409,- NOK (1,650 USD) (note, this was 2nd cheapest, but cheapest in storage)
b1k3rdudeA number of AIB's have used the stock AMD design, so no, not just MBA. Der8auer commented that this issue is effecting thousands of cards, which is a lot worse than the 50 cases (so nVidia says) of the power connector issue with the 4090.
thousands...? and that's based on the 40 reported cases, with again 4 of them tried (and not concluded what the fault is)?
It's its own thread for that issue anyways, and imo, not very related to a thread about rumored 4070Ti www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-may-feature-faulty-coolers-causing-overheating.302917/
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#48
john_
AMD could be killing this time if they have concentrated in RT performance. They concentrated in raster performance and they failed even there. If they have concentrated in RT and they where at least equal in performance with RTX 4000 series, they would have been shielded from a price war. Now they have to fight a $100 cheaper product that will be performing better at RT and be more than enough in raster. Not to mention the fake frames 3.0 that tech press already find it smooth and slowly, version after version, they will be seeing it as a must have feature.

I think at this price 4070 Ti will be having a walk in the park. It's ridiculously expensive for a xx70 product, but again it will sell like hotcakes.

I guess it's going to be stagnation, monopoly and slow news for at least the next 2 years.
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#49
TechHalp
Gpu sales are at the lowest in 20 years, wonder why
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#50
Minus Infinity
Hxxthe 4080 should sit above a 7900 xtx because its objectively a better card.
Sure while the 7900's clearly have issues and the XTX is still ahead in raster. Also you are getting 24GB not 16GB and you think that should be free memory? I don't care at all about RT, even the 4090 needs fake frames to look good in AAA titles. I have Nvidia cards and have never bothered with RT once.
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