RedelZaVednoNgreedia's profit margin tells the different story. They hit 65%, all time high, before mining bust and AMD is no different. It's greed not the cost of dies that's hiking the prices.

ArgyrStill, you sound very emotional

HaKN !And this is why we cant have nice things. The tech companies are still earning the same if not more before the pandemic hit the world stage and are now laying people off because they now want the 2020-2022 economy. Price hike or nah , a AD104-400-A1 295 mm² gpu dosent cost 799+ and you know they wont stay at that price either. The biggest consumer single chip so far that i know off (2080Ti/Titan RTX - Die Size754 mm²) didnt cost 3k+ .

Bet0nThe 2080 Ti was made on TSMC 12nm which costed ~$4000 per wafer.
The 4070 Ti is on TSMC 5 nm which costs ~$17000 per wafer.

birdie@W1zzard

I sure hope you will not praise the card or its pricing. I know it's power efficient, I know it can be faster than RTX 3090 Ti in select RT titles.

ARF12nm didn't cost that low :kookoo:

The RTX 4070 Ti doesn't appear to feature an NVIDIA Founders Edition model

Bet0nThe 2080 Ti was made on TSMC 12nm which costed ~$4000 per wafer.
The 4070 Ti is on TSMC 5 nm which costs ~$17000 per wafer.
edit: according to rumors.

dom99Another GPU only the elite can afford

Where are all the sub £300 cards!!??

Bet0nwww.techpowerup.com/272267/alleged-prices-of-tsmc-silicon-wafers-appear

ARFThe initial wafer cost for 14nm (12nm rebrand) was also around $16000 :D

RedelZaVednoQuick math using die per wafer estimator calc and known numbers:
2080TI 754 mm² die size -> 12nm 300mm wafer $4000 (yield of 80%) = 70 dies out of them fully 56 functional = $71 per die
4080 379 mm² die size -> 5nm $17000 (yield of +90%) = 147 dies out of them fully 132 functional = $128 per die

As you can see new dies are more expensive to produce, but not groundbreakingly more expensive and prices will only get better once TSMC moves Apple's products to smaller node.

dom99Where are all the sub £300 cards!!??

RedelZaVednoQuick math using die per wafer estimator calc and known numbers:
2080TI 754 mm² die size -> 12nm 300mm wafer $4000 (yield of 80%) = 70 dies out of them fully 56 functional = $71 per die -> this die probably costed between $200 & $300 to produce at the start of N12 production
4080 379 mm² die size -> 5nm $17000 (yield of +90%) = 147 dies out of them fully 132 functional = $128 per die

As you can see new dies are more expensive to produce, but not groundbreakingly more expensive and prices will only get better once TSMC moves Apple's products to smaller node.

Dr. DroExactly, besides, this uses only 6 memory chips and has a significantly simpler PCB and VRM design. That cost is greatly offset just there - and they could get the 3080 out cheaper. NVIDIA's margin on this must be above 100%.

Chrispy_Nvidia says "formidable at 4K Ultra HD in games that can take advantage of technologies such as DLSS 3 frame-generation, or even classic DLSS 2"

So, it needs to render at a lower resolution than 4K because it can't hack native 4K? How is that formidable, exactly?!

It can limp to 4K if you give it some crutches.

TaishoCrypto boom and "I'm just waiting for the 4000 series at this point". Milking the desperate people before the prices fall to more reasonable levels.

Tech NinjaYour margin can never be 100% unless you sell air. Without a sales person. And no can.

TaishoCrypto boom and "I'm just waiting for the 4000 series at this point". Milking the desperate people before the prices fall to more reasonable levels.