Wednesday, January 4th 2023

AMD Expands Desktop Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" Processor Family with 65W Models

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Besides the sensational Ryzen 7000X3D processors taking the fight to Intel's "Raptor Lake," AMD expanded the desktop Ryzen 7000 even downwards, with the introduction of three new 65 W processor SKUs that include boxed stock coolers. These include the Ryzen 5 7600 6-core/12-thread, the Ryzen 7 7700 8-core/16-thread, and the Ryzen 9 7900 12-core/24-thread. There's no 16-core part in this segment. These processors come with TDP values set at just 65 W, and PPT values in the range of 90 W to 120 W, and so their clock speeds and maximum boost speeds are lower compared to the 7000X series, with more aggressive power-management.

The 7600 boosts up to 5.10 GHz, and packs a 65 W-capable Wraith Stealth boxed cooling solution. The 7700 boosts up to 5.30 GHz, and the 7900 up to 5.40 GHz. Both the 7700 and 7900 include a Wraith Prism RGB cooler that can handle thermal loads of up to 140 W. The three chips are priced lower than their 7000X series cousins, with the 7600 going for USD $229, the 7700 at $329, and the 7900 at $429. The three chips are drop-in compatible with existing Socket AM5 motherboards without needing any BIOS update.
AMD claims that with PBO (precision boost overdrive), you can raise the power limits for the these chips, and improve their performance by as much as 35%. This is similar to Intel's 65 W "locked" processors getting a free performance uplift by relaxing power limits in the motherboard BIOS level.
At stock speeds, all three new models are purported to offer significant performance uplifts over the previous-generation Ryzen 5 5600, 5700X, and 5900X.
The three processors should be available to purchase in the retail channel from January 10, 2023.

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30 Comments on AMD Expands Desktop Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" Processor Family with 65W Models

#1
tabascosauz
......to absolutely nobody's surprise, given Zen 4's already excellent thermals and power under Eco Mode. Maybe if they had led with the 7600 and 7700 instead of trying to milk consumers for the past 3 months with the 7600X, then more people might have been interested enough to look past the platform cost and buy into AM5 from day 1.
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#2
AirplaneA1
Ryzen 5 7600 costs $230? That's a bit overpriced. The 7600X, on the other hand, only needs to sell for less than 1,680 RMB in China, or $245.
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#3
Chaitanya
at MSRP that 7900 not particularly attractive and like 7900XT it feels like upsell.
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#4
wheresmycar
tabascosauz......to absolutely nobody's surprise, given Zen 4's already excellent thermals and power under Eco Mode. Maybe if they had led with the 7600 and 7700 instead of trying to milk consumers for the past 3 months with the 7600X, then more people might have been interested enough to look past the platform cost and buy into AM5 from day 1.
Yep... i was rather disappointed too with non-X variants not being dropped from AM5-get-go but more importantly a pricier platform swap absent of X3D models was baffling.

Good on AMD for dropping the goods for Feb but a little too late to kick the excitement back on top. Maybe a less than realistic 78003XD for $350'ish would have caught my attention but seeing the non-X 7700 is going for $329 the X3D's ask is obviously gonna be off-putting... maybe in the $450-$500 region. And all the while, NO 7600X3D.... just PANTS!! YELLOW STAINED PANTS!! I wouldn't mind settling with a 7600 for gaming and a few years down the line pick up a long after release cut throat forward Gen X3D part.
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#5
KrazyT
Can't wait to see the bench !
We need some good and cool all rounder cpu these days.
The latest CPU from Intel and AMD are really powerful but runs too hot for my taste (even if it's seems OK)
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#6
s3thra
It'll be interesting to see how these perform. I like the more balanced chips rather than the balls-to-the-wall chips where everything's cranked up to 11. For Zen 2 that's why I bought the 3700X over the 3800X, and for Zen 3 why I bought the 5700X over the 5800X; they're within single digit performance percentages, but sooo much cooler (and quieter) to run.
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#7
Vya Domus
Chaitanyaat MSRP that 7900 not particularly attractive and like 7900XT it feels like upsell.
It does come with a cooler and in gaming there shouldn't be much of a difference. Might have bought one when the time comes to upgrade but I already have an AIO that can go with the X version.
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#8
Chrispy_
Still pointless without mainstream motherboards.

And no, a $300 B650 is not mainstream in any way other than name. It's a high-end, DDR5-6400+, Multi-lane PCIe 5.0 solution, with a socket that must meet 230W PPT at a bare minimum - but no $300 board could possibly get away with offering VRM and cooling support for the bare minimum, so they're all ridiculous monsters than can feed 250Amps into the socket at 1.5V

65W CPUs need affordable, non-premium platforms to sit in and AMD are losing customers while Intel sells cheap DDR4 B660 and H610 boards for $75-150
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#9
mb194dc
AM5 remains totally pointless for 99.99% of use cases.

AM4 will still be ok in 10+ years. Welcome to the long winter for PC hardware manufacturers.
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#10
Bet0n
Chrispy_Still pointless without mainstream motherboards.

And no, a $300 B650 is not mainstream in any way other than name. It's a high-end, DDR5-6400+, Multi-lane PCIe 5.0 solution, with a socket that must meet 230W PPT at a bare minimum - but no $300 board could possibly get away with offering VRM and cooling support for the bare minimum, so they're all ridiculous monsters than can feed 250Amps into the socket at 1.5V

65W CPUs need affordable, non-premium platforms to sit in and AMD are losing customers while Intel sells cheap DDR4 B660 and H610 boards for $75-150
Lisa Su mentioned in the presentation that some entry level mobos will come alongside with the non-X CPUs.
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#11
Harry Wild
tabascosauz......to absolutely nobody's surprise, given Zen 4's already excellent thermals and power under Eco Mode. Maybe if they had led with the 7600 and 7700 instead of trying to milk consumers for the past 3 months with the 7600X, then more people might have been interested enough to look past the platform cost and buy into AM5 from day 1.
Totally agree with your statement!
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#12
error1984
mb194dcAM5 remains totally pointless for 99.99% of use cases.

AM4 will still be ok in 10+ years. Welcome to the long winter for PC hardware manufacturers.
Dont you worry they are not dumb. Thats the new plan. Here where I live 12400f is almost double the price(40%-60%) to 12600kf. These corp thefts want to sell less for more money. 12400f was 30$ cheaper for few days till suddenly all shops rised the price few days ago. So now new non K 13th gen sells for a bit more. Ryzen 5600x had very similar story. I got only one advice....Buy Used dont let them earn much.
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#13
bug
AirplaneA1Ryzen 5 7600 costs $230? That's a bit overpriced. The 7600X, on the other hand, only needs to sell for less than 1,680 RMB in China, or $245.
Overpriced? I think it's amazing value. All the cores you will realistically need (and more) at an affordable price. Hopefully you can get a capable mobo for $200 or less to go with it. Too bad it can't be paired with the cheaper DDR4.
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#14
trparky
Anyone know the launch day?
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#15
Bet0n
trparkyAnyone know the launch day?
It's on the last slide, Jan 10.
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#16
trparky
Bet0nIt's on the last slide, Jan 10.
OK then. I didn't see it because I simply did a Control-F and looked for the word "launch" and didn't find it in the text of the article.
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#17
docnorth
tabascosauz......to absolutely nobody's surprise, given Zen 4's already excellent thermals and power under Eco Mode. Maybe if they had led with the 7600 and 7700 instead of trying to milk consumers for the past 3 months with the 7600X, then more people might have been interested enough to look past the platform cost and buy into AM5 from day 1.
Couldn't agree more, but still no affordable motherboards on the horizon.

Btw this 7600 non-x clocks higher than 7800X3D... :nutkick:.
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#18
trparky
docnorthCouldn't agree more, but still no affordable motherboards on the horizon.
I doubt that they'll ever come in this economic climate. That and the days of cheap AMD boards are done now that they're playing on the same field that Intel is playing on.

Basically I think that the motherboard manufacturers, at least in the past, made motherboards for AMD chips as a sort of "throw them a bone" kind of thing. But now that AMD has some decent processors, yeah... forget about cheap stuff now.
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#19
docnorth
trparkyI doubt that they'll ever come in this economic climate. That and the days of cheap AMD boards are done now that they're playing on the same field that Intel is playing on.
At least Intel pricing for affordable boards, 100-150 USD/€?
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#20
trparky
docnorthAt least Intel pricing for affordable boards, 100-150 USD/€?
But if you want a Z-series board, forget it. You're going be paying upwards of $200.

The only Z790 board that I see on NewEgg that's under $200 is a Gigabyte board, the Z790 UD AC and it's priced at $199.99; one cent short of $200.
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#21
Bet0n
docnorthCouldn't agree more, but still no affordable motherboards on the horizon.

Btw this 7600 non-x clocks higher than 7800X3D... :nutkick:.
Lisa Su had one sentence in which she said entry level AM5 motherboards are coming. For how much and when? Who knows.
Btw AM5 mbs can't be as cheap as Intel's because of the strict TDP requirements, the cheapest needs to be capable of running the best AM5 CPUs and that needs pretty capable vrms while on the Intel side you can forget i9s and even i7s in a cheap mb (without throttling at least).
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#22
trparky
Bet0nLisa Su had one sentence in which said entry level AM5 motherboards are coming.
And you believed her? Excuse me while I laugh.
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#23
Bet0n
trparkyAnd you believed her? Excuse me while I laugh.
Why? You think it's impossible? Every company first want to milk the early adopters so no wonder everything is expensive after the launch, mobos, vgas, cpus, ssd, etc.
Now MB AIBs see that the adoption rate is low (if that's the case) then they can speed up the process with cheaper options.
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#24
Why_Me
trparkyBut if you want a Z-series board, forget it. You're going be paying upwards of $200.

The only Z790 board that I see on NewEgg that's under $200 is a Gigabyte board, the Z790 UD AC and it's priced at $199.99; one cent short of $200.
Z790 boards are great for higher end builds but not so much for budget to mid level builds. Luckily Intel has the DDR4 / DDR5 B660 and B760 boards to choose from. It's all about how much someone is willing to spend.
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#25
trparky
Bet0nWhy? You think it's impossible?
Because I've long realized that these companies are not your friend. They are a business; they will say whatever they have to to make money.
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A Card Carrying Cynical Bastard
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