Friday, January 6th 2023
MSI Finally has Radeon RX 7900 Series Products to Show
MSI was conspicuous in its lack of a Radeon RX 7900 series RDNA3 graphics card when AMD launched these cards on December 13, 2022. The company later came out with a clarification that while it was skipping reference-design made-by-AMD (MBA) graphics cards under its marquee, it would release custom-design RX 7900 series cards in the first half of 2023 with some of the first cards being unveiled at CES. Well, here they are.
The MSI Radeon RX 7900 XTX and RX 7900 XT Gaming Trio Classic gets the latter part of its name from the fact that MSI used the older Tri Frozr 2.0 cooling solution from the previous-generation of graphics cards (RX 6000 series and RTX 30-series), rather than the latest Tri Frozr 3.0 it unveiled with the RTX 40-series. This cooler also gets the slightly older TorX 4.0 fan compared to newer TorX 5.0 fans with the RTX 40-series. This cooler has dealt with 350 W-ish TDP cooling requirements of GPUs such as the RX 6950 XT or the RTX 3090, so we reckon they could suit the RX 7900 series. There's still a brand new custom-design PCB underneath it, which pulls power from a trio of 8-pin PCIe power connectors, and so we could expect a fairly good power-limit for these cards.
The MSI Radeon RX 7900 XTX and RX 7900 XT Gaming Trio Classic gets the latter part of its name from the fact that MSI used the older Tri Frozr 2.0 cooling solution from the previous-generation of graphics cards (RX 6000 series and RTX 30-series), rather than the latest Tri Frozr 3.0 it unveiled with the RTX 40-series. This cooler also gets the slightly older TorX 4.0 fan compared to newer TorX 5.0 fans with the RTX 40-series. This cooler has dealt with 350 W-ish TDP cooling requirements of GPUs such as the RX 6950 XT or the RTX 3090, so we reckon they could suit the RX 7900 series. There's still a brand new custom-design PCB underneath it, which pulls power from a trio of 8-pin PCIe power connectors, and so we could expect a fairly good power-limit for these cards.
29 Comments on MSI Finally has Radeon RX 7900 Series Products to Show
I can't recommended anyone buy any Radeon card at any price when I've had problems with 5/5 Radeon cards purchased in the last 3 years. Sad to see the same issue in my current 6700 XT computer, just like the 5700 XT models.
Or (nvidia fun mode) they wait for all problems with 7900 series to get fixed before launching theirs.
Or (AMD fun mode) they got payed from Nvidia to delay their cards for 6 months.
Or (probably) they expect to make much more money from their Nvidia based products, so they prioritize those first, avoiding also any kind of (even tiny) internal competition.
I think I will also put way back in my list MSI, as a candidate for my next AM5 motherboard.
Any news about better cards like 7600 series / 7700 series / 7800 series ? Anything that IS NOT terribly overpriced ? :banghead:
I use MSI Afterburner, Discord, Microsoft Edge and youtube plus the Netflix app. That's it.
Oh well another $400 Radeon card ready for the garbage bin. I never have a single issue with NVidia cards like that. I've had a failed card I could RMA with nvidia, 2 x RTX 3070 so far, but with AMD it isn't even really broken, the drivers are broken. RAM doesn't fix it. I took video of the problem (it was so easy to replicate with the 4 RX 5700 XT I bought for clients, just open Netflix and watch a movie and wait for the crash) and submitted the issue to AMD.
I had zero problems with Radeon 6700 XT until recently. Can confirm the problem is back in January 2023.
The only problematic one is the one with nVidia 3050 in it, by Asus.
Browsing reddit can dead freeze and go figure why.
I can't recommend overpriced nVidia garbage to any user. By paying it, you encourage filthy business practices that make this world a worse place.
Just as John said: you're way down on my list for the next mobo.
Oh and i wanted to buy your M.2 SSDs, the Spatium bla bla, was thinking about 3x2TB upgrade with MSI Spatium but HELL->NO!
Black screens were only common on 5700 due to hardware bug, and was worked around with drivers.
So I use AMD's Adrenaline CP to do the same thing. That was a few years ago and frankly I don't remember if I tried Afterburner much for my 6600XT, but did for my 6800XT for a bit and no black screens, so that's good. Maybe AMD or MSI fixed the AB/Black screen issue or it just doesn't happen on 6xxx cards. Whatever, I stopped using AB for the 6800XT as I couldn't control the undervolt properly there and it's easier to manage all the controls I like in a single screen in Adrenaline.
Afterburner is still great for Nvidia cards though, I love it for that.
Here's my nitpick for AMD's Adrenaline SW: they can't effing get the fan speed settings accurate. WTF, this is not rocket surgery, it's a goddam number from 0-100. Maybe AMD hates metric?? Anyway you just need to find what imaginary number Adrenaline thinks your fan's desired speed should be and then set it. Maybe take a screencap in case it resets or you do a clean reinstall. Spend 10 minutes with your new card setting the fan curve and you're done. But it's stupid as AB gets the fan speeds exactly right.
also I believe I tested and the problems can still happen without those applications, like in youtube or the netflix app, the point is why bother figuring it out? buy nvidia and voila
if AMD can't get their stuff to work with our applications, i don't need the hassle
AMD CPU good, Radeon is bad, has been for a while
at least the two RTX 3070 I had break were fixed under warranty, the radeon cards don't work and replacement won't fix itthese aren't black screen flickers, this is a common bug I've been sending bug reports to AMD about for 3 years
it goes black, audio continues, then hard crash, then reset (seems to happen a lot while using netflix, youtube, or discord, could be hardware acceleration issue, gaming much less of an issue)
they fixed it for a while with new drivers, and it came back, hence I'm so annoyed with my 6700 xt right now, it was working fine, and I put it in a new computer last week, and voila, same old issues again
good riddance, can I even ethically sell my AMD card to anyone? it isn't "broken"...
if you sell a DIY computer to someone with a Radeon card, you get in a bad situation if you can't get it to work properly, also not worth the hassle
it's depressing, I want to use Radeon cards, believe me, after the crap that nVidia pullsI will try disabling that multiplane overlay, interesting idea :)it's a complicated thing, but you can see every youtuber uses afterburner for the superior overlay, if it is genuinely the problem (doesn't seem to be, AMD just seems to not work with some fundamental driver bug around hardware accelerated media, not sure what the problem is), AMD needs to fix it, it isn't just MSI's responsibility
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i think my point is partly that normally I can figure out what is wrong, the random black screen total crashes seem to come from multiple directions, AMD can't seem to fix it, it is a serious flaw that makes the entire product line worthless imo
i can't figure it out, they can't figure it out, well only solution is to avoid the product
THERE ARE A TON OF PEOPLE POSTING ABOUT THIS ISSUE online, not just me...
For sake of completeness; if you are using AIDA64; STOP, it has a major bug when polling AMD driver and cause serious problems even corrupting the driver. If you need to use AIDA make sure to disable GPU sensors (preferences > stability)
This has been an issue for a couple years, and Finalwire has been unwilling/unable to solve it. (im putting the blame on AIDA since other apps dont have this issue, such as HWINFO)
If this is the case, make sure to do a clean driver install after disabling/removing AIDA since it can corrupt driver.
I'm going to do ONE piece of software at a time from a fresh install and see what happens. Right now nothing but Discord and Edge. Will see after a few days if it is still crashing just with Discord installed. If I can't use Edge at all because of hardware accelerated GPU, then, yeah, I'm definitely giving up on Radeon again.
Just goes to show why Intel has no hope in the GPU market. Bugs and crashes are the worst. The one thing you don't want to deal with.
Regarding Intel, Arc drivers 101.4032 (and the previous Dec. 3 drivers) have been stable on my other computer (Arc A770). If anything their GPU drivers have been getting way better with each release.
That said, assuming an issue's source only leads to inadequate troubleshooting (when software issue)
If the issue crops up due to acceleration on an app, I am betting disabling MPO will solve that (or, of course, just disabling GPU accel in that particular app)
And since you are swapping vendors hardware, please make sure you are thoroughly cleaning out old drivers (DDU in safe mode preferably) Driver leftovers can cause all sorts of havok.
For these difficult to diagnose issues, if possible, I like to have a spare SSD lying around that I can do a fresh Windows install on so I can test without wiping my main OS install, and start as minimal as possible (even disconnect unneeded hardware)
Not to dismiss your issues at all; I can assure you there is a silent majority that uses the same or similar hardware/software without issue.
And anecdotally from personal experience since ~1999 and as a system builder for friends and family etc, I have not seen any vendor have overall any more or fewer issues than the other at least in the last decade. (although, yes, AMD does generally take a bit longer, though thats been changing)
Afterburner wasn't "hacked" or compromised in anyway. Some clever folks copied the Afterburner landing page exactly to create their own phishing website that appeared to look exactly like the Afterburner site and somehow got their non-legitimate, non-MSI website pushed up to the very top of google search when googling Afterburner or MSI Afterburner. Probably using SEO tricks or some type of SEO manipulation. The Afterburner software downloaded from this site contained a compromised version with the Malware/Miner, but if you only ever downloaded Afterburner from the legitimate MSI Landing page, you and your afterburner are just fine.