Thursday, February 9th 2023

Intel Asking Germany for More Money, Set to Potentially Invest in Vietnam

To date, Intel has been promised almost €6.8 billion in subsidies from the federal German government, but apparently this isn't enough for Intel, as the company is now asking for an additional €3.2 billion, for a total of €10 billion is subsidies for its Magdeburg fab. The total investment in the fab in Magdeburg—which was announced back in March 2022—is said to be around €33 billion. In other words, Intel is asking Germany to pitch in almost a third of the cost for its shiny new fab. According to an Intel spokesperson quoted by the Register, Intel is worried about the current geopolitical situation and that the demand for semiconductors has declined, plus the fact that inflation has made everything much more expensive. Intel's Arizona fabs ended up costing an extra US$5 billion, which is about a third extra compared to the original cost estimate, so it's not hard to see why Intel is asking for more money here.

At the same time, the Vietnamese government jumped the gun and announced that Intel is looking at investing US$3.3 billion in the country, as part of an announcement of investments of a total of US$7.4 billion in Ho Chi Minh, by foreign companies. The additional US$4.1 billion investments apparently hinges on Intel's investment in the country, more specifically in the Saigon Hi-Tech Park. The official stance from Intel is that "Vietnam is an important part of our global manufacturing network, but we have not announced any new investments." It's unclear what the exact plans are, but Intel is said to have met up with government officials in Vietnam, according to Bloomberg. It's likely that it would be some kind of chip packaging facility, much like what Intel and AMD already has in Malaysia and China, among other places.
Sources: The Register (Magdeburg), The Register (Vietnam)
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43 Comments on Intel Asking Germany for More Money, Set to Potentially Invest in Vietnam

#26
BoboOOZ
WirkoSTM is also partly owned by the French and Italian governments.

However, as says Wikipedia, they're now a Dutch company with HQ in Switzerland, which probably means that their revenue crosses so many borders and mountains that no one knows where it's gone eventually.
Geneva is right on the French border, and very close to Italy. And the money goes to the equity holders, as in any publicly traded company.

The main thing here is not revenue, it's keeping a know how and and a manufacturing capacity in Europe. It's done for strategic reasons, not purely for economic reasons, otherwise it would be cheaper to buy from Qualcomm, TSMC etc.
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#27
lemonadesoda
Funny. Governments cannot subsidise state run industries without falling foul. And certainly not foreign companies. Unless it's an American company, where revenues will be washed in Dutch and offshore corporate mixers so there are no local taxes to recover the initial subsidies and backscratching-fees. But governments are ready to indebt the future, just so they can say "we created jobs - vote for us again".
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#28
KrazyT
After all, it's easy to spend money you don't own, no ?
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#29
mouacyk
KrazyTAfter all, it's easy to spend money you don't own, no ?
That money ain't gonna spend itself
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#30
chrcoluk
In my mind if a government subsidises investment, it should have part ownership, Intel have pulled their trousers down.
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#32
ReallyBigMistake
Isn't it insane that back in the 80s and even the early 90s, Europe had some of the most advanced fabs in the world because of companies like Philips and Siemens but as the 2000s started both decided to spin-off their semiconductor and memory industry and today Europe has nothing to compete against America and Asia. Full blown capitalism has really hurt Europe in some sectors.
I think the biggest ones left are STMicro and I think they don't even have competitive fabs.

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#33
mouacyk
chrcolukIn my mind if a government subsidises investment, it should have part ownership, Intel have pulled their trousers down.
It really is bastardized socialism
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#34
Wirko
ReallyBigMistakeIsn't it insane that back in the 80s and even the early 90s, Europe had some of the most advanced fabs in the world because of companies like Philips and Siemens but as the 2000s started both decided to spin-off their semiconductor and memory industry and today Europe has nothing to compete against America and Asia. Full blown capitalism has really hurt Europe in some sectors.
Well, at least we got ASML out of Philips.
ReallyBigMistakeI think the biggest ones left are STMicro and I think they don't even have competitive fabs.
That depends on what "competitive" means. In high performance processors and memory, absolutely not. In many other things, absolutely yes. For example, one area in which STM is particularly strong is radiation hardened chips for space applications.
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#35
kondamin
ReallyBigMistakeIsn't it insane that back in the 80s and even the early 90s, Europe had some of the most advanced fabs in the world because of companies like Philips and Siemens but as the 2000s started both decided to spin-off their semiconductor and memory industry and today Europe has nothing to compete against America and Asia. Full blown capitalism has really hurt Europe in some sectors.
I think the biggest ones left are STMicro and I think they don't even have competitive fabs.

Globalism is the ruin of civilisation, one boat stuck and prices for everything explode.
issues in one country and the world can no longer get certain medications.
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#36
BoboOOZ
WirkoThat depends on what "competitive" means. In high performance processors and memory, absolutely not. In many other things, absolutely yes. For example, one area in which STM is particularly strong is radiation hardened chips for space applications.
Indeed, they are competitive, otherwise they would be out of the market, it's just they don't compete in the high end consumer segment at all.

But indeed they are far behind Intel TSMC in transistor density, maybe catching up with Global Foundries.
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#37
trsttte
kondaminGlobalism is the ruin of civilisation, one boat stuck and prices for everything explode.
issues in one country and the world can no longer get certain medications.
That's a terrible take. Your examples are not of globalization (which I think is what you meant instead of globalism) but of concentrated supply chains that depend on single very specific resources.

The problem is not globalization but how capitalism takes advantage of it to increase profits without any though or regard for the consequences.
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#38
Redwoodz
So Intel demands 3.3 billion from Germany, meanwhile Vietnam is getting 3.4 billion from Intel. ok
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#39
ThrashZone
RedwoodzSo Intel demands 3.3 billion from Germany, meanwhile Vietnam is getting 3.4 billion from Intel. ok
Hi,
Yeah I just had to laugh ransom Peter to pay Paul seems like to me and hope nobody notices it :laugh:
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#40
dicobalt
When companies who "print money" want free money from taxpayers. This is a modern American corporate business model. The same goes for TSMC and anyone else getting free money for their very profitable business. Maybe these companies need to temper their roadmaps to be more viable instead of expecting taxpayers to sustain them.
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