So still not worth the asking price.

And all it took for price competition to restart was for NVIDIA to release products that compete with its own products, while AMD sits in the corner and sucks its thumb.

AssimilatorAnd all it took for price competition to restart was for NVIDIA to release products that compete with its own products, while AMD sits in the corner and sucks its thumb.

I mean, 7900XT is still (judging by recent news) cheaper, and better (unless you do production), soooooo Idk man.


Still, back on topic, good that prices are dropping, maybe soon we might see a good value proposition from either manufacturer!

theoutoI mean, 7900XT is still (judging by recent news) cheaper, and better (unless you do production), soooooo Idk man.

That’s a pretty big “unless”. I love how a lot of people just downplay that Radeon are absolute cheeks in anything apart from gaming. If you do, for example, any amount of work in Blender you basically have no actual choice. NV is the only game in town. The fact that AMD still hasn’t even tried to compete with OptiX is pathetic, to be blunt. How they think that they can just keep their back turned while the competition reaps the rewards is baffling to me.

Onasiany amount of work in Blender you basically have no actual choice. NV is the only game in town. The fact that AMD still hasn’t even tried to compete with OptiX is pathetic, to be blunt. How they think that they can just keep their back turned while the competition reaps the rewards is baffling to me.

This is stuff is utterly irrelevant for 99.9% for users.

Vya DomusThis is stuff is utterly irrelevant for 99.9% for users.

I am sure. I guess that’s why NV put in time and RnD into securing this semi-professional and professional market. Because it’s irrelevant. AMD would not really like if production houses, 3D artists and designers and CAD users bought their GPUs. Guess CUDA is a fluke.
Come on now. AMD cards suck at non-gaming workloads. They must do better if they want to compete. The end. Arguing the obvious is silly.

Price war is the only war I approve of.

Vya DomusThis is stuff is utterly irrelevant for 99.9% for users.

Its yet another thing that underlines Nvidia gpus get more TLC. Even if you never use it, there is mindshare impact

OnasiI guess that’s why NV put in time and RnD into securing this semi-professional and professional market. Because it’s irrelevant. AMD would not really like if production houses, 3D artists and designers and CAD users bought their

You don't understand how this works, neither Nvidia or AMD care about regular consumers and professional workflows, it's not relevant for that segment. Nvidia cards perform better because of Quadros, since they share the architecture but Nvidia wants people to buy Quadro not Geforce, that's why they more than once went of their way to cripple productivity performance on those cards and limit the VRAM. Those market segments are distinct, regular consumers do not care about professional workflows, you are just wrong.

Not to mention Nvidia is using CUDA to gatekeep this market, AMD could make a GPU a billion times faster and it still wouldn't matter. They'd be absolute idiots to try and focus on this one thing that simply does not even matter, it's not going to get them more market share.

OnasiThat’s a pretty big “unless”. I love how a lot of people just downplay that Radeon are absolute cheeks in anything apart from gaming. If you do, for example, any amount of work in Blender you basically have no actual choice. NV is the only game in town. The fact that AMD still hasn’t even tried to compete with OptiX is pathetic, to be blunt. How they think that they can just keep their back turned while the competition reaps the rewards is baffling to me.

They haven't tried because they haven't had the time, with their architectures still going through work. But they have begun moving in the production direction with cards like the MI300X (yes, that is a server card, but you get what I mean). I wouldn't bet against AMD telling devs to start better implementing their stream processors.

Of course when I say tell, I mean encourage, handsomely.

Vya DomusThis is stuff is utterly irrelevant for 99.9% for users.

I would say today it's not. If it truly was AMD cards would be more popular, but since everyone and their dog is a wannabe youtuber/creative these days buying a GPU and taking into account a hypothetical future where I finally do that project I've wanted to so for so long and honestly now I'm gonna do it I swear makes sense. Add the AI explosion to this. I have a bunch of stuff I'd like to do and where an Nvidia card would be massively better, I had to be really honest and realistic with myself and say no, that won't happen anytime soon, so grab that AMD card on a sale.

Vya DomusYou don't understand how this works, neither Nvidia or AMD care about regular consumers and professional workflows, it's not relevant for that segment. Nvidia cards perform better because of Quadros, since they share the architecture but Nvidia wants people to buy Quadro not Geforce, that's why they more than once went of their way to cripple productivity performance on those cards and limit the VRAM. Those market segments are distinct, regular consumers do not care about professional workflows, you are just wrong.

Thats why there are 20-24 GB GPUs in the Geforce stack? And even Ampere released double vram alternatives? And we have a 4060ti 16GB that covers another niche there?

Nvidia knows there is a market/niche here that they cover. Theyre also full of bringing the creator power to 'everyone'. RT and AI driven ecosystems push the same promises.

Vayra86Thats why there are 20-24 GB GPUs in the Geforce stack?

And they cost 1.5K$ and up, out of reach of vast majority of consumers. People forget that Quadros used to be in that price range, Nvidia aren't idiots, they just quietly moved some of their consumer products to overlap Quadros.

Vya DomusYou don't understand how this works, neither Nvidia or AMD care about regular consumers and professional workflows, it's not relevant for that segment. Nvidia cards perform better because of Quadros, since they share the architecture but Nvidia wants people to buy Quadro not Geforce, that's why they more than once went of their way to cripple productivity performance on those cards and limit the VRAM. Those market segments are distinct, regular consumers do not care about professional workflows, you are just wrong.

There is barely any difference performance-wise in many workloads like CAD and 3D modeling between comparable GeForce and Quadro models nowadays. Most specialists I know run consumer cards and are perfectly happy. I think you would find that in this case, the one wrong is you.
And saying that AMD “doesn’t care” is hilarious. Sure, I mean if they want to keep losing market share they can keep on “not caring”.

Vya DomusAnd they cost 1.5K$ and up, out of reach of vast majority of consumers. People forget that Quadros used to be in that price range, Nvidia aren't idiots, they just quietly moved some of their consumer products to overlap Quadros.

Sorry but my ninja edit up here already debunks that argument too.

OnasiMost specialists I know run consumer cards and are perfectly happy.

Bro, "specialists", those are not regular consumers. You are talking about an insignificant portion of people as if they're everyone.

You're telling me your average consumer checks CAD benchmarks ? Dude most people do not even know that that shit is.

Vayra86Nvidia knows there is a market/niche here that they cover.

The niche market is professionals and they're just that, a nice market.

Vya DomusBro, "specialists", those are not regular consumers. You are talking about an insignificant portion of people as if they're everyone.

You're telling me your average consumer checks CAD benchmarks, dude most people do not even know that that shit is.

So just answer me this straight, no BS - do you actually think that AMD doesn’t want that market and that their cards being awful in those workloads isn’t to their detriment? No weaseling about how “consumers don’t care”, just a straight answer.

Onasido you actually think that AMD doesn’t want that market and that their cards being awful in those workloads isn’t to their detriment No weaseling about how “consumers don’t care”, just a straight answer.

Regular consumers do not care, that's a fact.

AMD has no incentive to care and even if they did like I already explained this is a segment Nvidia is gatekeeping with CUDA and other proprietary software, their efforts would be wasted for nothing, those companies would not bother to use whatever software AMD has.

Vya DomusAMD could make a GPU a billion times faster and it still wouldn't matter.

If AMD make GPU a billion times faster, Nvidia immediately will declare bankruptcy.

Vya DomusRegular consumers do not care, that's a fact.

AMD has no incentive to care and even if they did like I already explained this is a segment Nvidia is gatekeeping with CUDA and other proprietary software, their efforts would be wasted for nothing, those companies would not bother to use whatever software AMD has.

Ah yes, it’s the big bad NV fault that AMD fails to compete. Sure, sure. I gotcha. Just let the market share drop further and further. But hey, at least they have console SOCs. For now.
Hey, remember how everyone said that Intel is so entrenched in the server space with their hardware and software ecosystem that AMD would be almost unable to compete? I guess that turned out to be false, since EPYC processors are selling like hot cakes apparently. Guess if you make a better product people take notice. Imagine that.

OnasiHey, remember how everyone said that Intel is so entrenched in the server space with their hardware and software ecosystem that AMD would be almost unable to compete

Intel did not have a stronghold on the software side of things like Nvidia does, if you understood more about these ecosystems you'd get it, as it stands it seems like a waste of time for me to explain all of this. By the way, productivity software runs worse on AMD mostly because of the software, not hardware. If companies do not care to optimize their software (or can't due to collaboration with Nvidia) then AMD cannot do anything.

It's just laughable that you think the extra 0.5% or whatever in sales that they'd get from catering more to professionals would mean anything.

Vya DomusIt's just laughable that you think the extra 0.5% or whatever in sales that they'd get from catering more to professionals would mean anything.

It won't be *only* "0.5%" but many many more since these professionals are like "free" marketing - they recommend to the users who don't know what to buy, the users listen to these professionals. It is an opportunity for AMD.

But AMD's problem is that they do everything wrong these past few years in the graphics cards market.

Let's hope they return on the right path with some Navi being built on the new TSMC N2 node that starts production later this year.

Vya DomusIf companies do not care to optimize their software (or can't due to collaboration with Nvidia) then AMD cannot do anything.

Uh yeah, do you know why companies optimise their software for NVIDIA and not AMD? Because NVIDIA pays them to and AMD does not. Because NVIDIA understands that the ROI on that tiny expense is going to be many times greater. This is business 101, yet AMD perpetually fails to understand this.

Thieves :cool:

AssimilatorBecause NVIDIA pays them to and AMD does not.

Hey, at least now people openly admit Nvidia basically just bribes everyone.

3valatzyIt won't be *only* "0.5%"

How many do you think there are ? How many people do you think care about blender performance for example ?