Saturday, August 3rd 2024

Design Issues May Postpone Launch of NVIDIA's Advanced Blackwell AI Chips

NVIDIA may face delays in releasing its newest artificial intelligence chips due to design issues, according to anonymous sources involved in chip and server hardware production cited by The Information. The delay could extend to three months or more, potentially affecting major customers such as Meta, Google, and Microsoft. An unnamed Microsoft employee and another source claim that NVIDIA has already informed Microsoft about delays affecting the most advanced models in the Blackwell AI chip series. As a result, significant shipments are not expected until the first quarter of 2025.

When approached for comment, an NVIDIA spokesperson did not address communications with customers regarding the delay but stated that "production is on track to ramp" later this year. The Information reports that Microsoft, Google, Amazon Web Services, and Meta declined to comment on the matter, while Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) did not respond to inquiries.

Update 1:
The production issue was discovered by manufacturer TSMC, and involves the processor die that connects two Blackwell GPUs on a GB200." — via Data Center Dynamics
NVIDIA needs to redesign its chip, requiring a new TSMC production test before mass production. Rumors say they're considering a single-GPU version to expedite delivery. The delay leaves TSMC production lines idle temporarily.

Update 2:
SemiAnalysis's Dylan Patel reports in a message on Twitter (now known as X) that Blackwell supply will be considerably lower than anticipated in Q4 2024 and H1 2025. This shortage stems from TSMC's transition from CoWoS-S to CoWoS-L technology, required for NVIDIA's advanced Blackwell chips. Currently, TSMC's AP3 packaging facility is dedicated to CoWoS-S production, while initial CoWoS-L capacity is being installed in the AP6 facility.
Additionally, NVIDIA appears to be prioritizing production of GB200 NVL72 units over NVL36 units. The GB200 NVL36 configuration features 36 GPUs in a single rack with 18 individual GB200 compute nodes. In contrast, the NVL72 design incorporates 72 GPUs, either in a single rack with 18 double GB200 compute nodes or spread across two racks, each containing 18 single nodes.
Source: Bloomberg
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105 Comments on Design Issues May Postpone Launch of NVIDIA's Advanced Blackwell AI Chips

#51
GoldenX
Everyone slept on Cuda for far too long.
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#52
AusWolf
kapone32There was only 1 Govt that triggered that.
It always takes two to tango. Let's take the rest in PMs if you want to discuss further. :)
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#53
R-T-B
kondaminBitcoin is still at $60K and I can see it reach 70-80k in september as the fed lowers interest rates
we're not hearing as much about it as say 2 years ago but crypto is still a thing.

now if you had said NFT's...
But can anyone use it as a payment system?
TotallyNah they just became too poor from to afford an internet connection to tell everyone that the crypto ponzi scheme is the future.
Man, thats naive as hell.
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#54
adramtech
"As we've stated before, Hopper demand is very strong, broad Blackwell sampling has started, and production is on track to ramp in the second half," an Nvidia spokesperson said in an emailed statement in response to the report."
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#55
kapone32
AusWolfIt always takes two to tango. Let's take the rest in PMs if you want to discuss further. :)
Sure no problem
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#56
Sound_Card
Dr. DroIt is and it is not enough to dethrone or even dent Nvidia's business. It's huge. Zluda (CUDA interpreter for ROCm/HIP) has no future ahead of it due to CUDA licensing terms blocking it

www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidia-bans-using-translation-layers-for-cuda-software-to-run-on-other-chips-new-restriction-apparently-targets-zluda-and-some-chinese-gpu-makers

I'm not disputing the fact that AMD made some wonderful processors with recent Instinct chips, it's just that the software isn't and won't be there. Not until an open-source solution which is more flexible and performant than OpenCL comes to exist. Some newer AI software for training and inference has been written for Radeon given that Instincts perform so wonderfully, but it remains that CUDA software is still superior, corporations are risk averse, and Nvidia's toolkit is just better.
CUDA and their behavior regarding it is one of the reasons why they are being investigated by the DOJ. And the fact that it's not the FTC, but the DOJ, is pretty telling.

Their anti-competitive practices go largely unseen and unpunished when it's just PC gaming cards (focus group members pretending to be normal people, TWIMTBP pressuring developers, bullying tech reviewers, cheating image quality - such as texture filtering) but it seems outside the diabetic gaming market, there are consequences.
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#57
nguyen
Sound_CardCUDA and their behavior regarding it is one of the reasons why they are being investigated by the DOJ. And the fact that it's not the FTC, but the DOJ, is pretty telling.

Their anti-competitive practices go largely unseen and unpunished when it's just PC gaming cards (focus group members pretending to be normal people, TWIMTBP pressuring developers, bullying tech reviewers, cheating image quality - such as texture filtering) but it seems outside the diabetic gaming market, there are consequences.
Oh boy you sure still live in 2006 where ATI had better texture filtering :roll:.

I'm sure diabetic gaming market only applies to the US though
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#58
Dr. Dro
Sound_CardCUDA and their behavior regarding it is one of the reasons why they are being investigated by the DOJ. And the fact that it's not the FTC, but the DOJ, is pretty telling.

Their anti-competitive practices go largely unseen and unpunished when it's just PC gaming cards (focus group members pretending to be normal people, TWIMTBP pressuring developers, bullying tech reviewers, cheating image quality - such as texture filtering) but it seems outside the diabetic gaming market, there are consequences.
I was half in agreement until the conspiracy theories started. You see, it all started when ATI cheated at Quake III back in 2000. Unforgivable. This legitimate grievance of mine generated a grudge that will last a hundred years. A hundred!
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#59
Sound_Card
Where is the conspiracy theory? The Focus group was exposed many years ago (AEG marketing) and the members caught started putting ''Nvidia Focus group member'' in their sig. I personally, know a couple of these former members, and I am fully aware how it works. More than likely, you may have been groomed by a stealth marketer in the past. Also, the age of forums like this are in the twilight. Most of their stealth marketing aggression is pushed on YouTube, and other social media platforms, as well as reddit.
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#60
nguyen
Sound_CardWhere is the conspiracy theory? The Focus group was exposed many years ago (AEG marketing) and the members caught started putting ''Nvidia Focus group member'' in their sig. I personally, know a couple of these former members, and I am fully aware how it works. More than likely, you may have been groomed by a stealth marketer in the past.
Oh boy, how about Red Team plus member, oh and AMD vanguard where they got beta testers for free LOL

happygamer.com/amd-allegedly-provided-early-access-purchase-codes-for-radeon-rx-6000-series-gpus-to-social-media-influencers-93459/
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#62
JustBenching
Dr. DroI was half in agreement until the conspiracy theories started. You see, it all started when ATI cheated at Quake III back in 2000. Unforgivable. This legitimate grievance of mine generated a grudge that will last a hundred years. A hundred!
Oh come on now, that's why AMD bought ATI, they saw the immorality and wanted to fix them.
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#64
nguyen
Sound_CardA membership to buy graphics cards early ... How old are you?
More like social media influencers, which is 10x worse than any focus group
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#65
Dr. Dro
nguyenOh boy, how about Red Team plus member, oh and AMD vanguard where they got beta testers for free LOL

happygamer.com/amd-allegedly-provided-early-access-purchase-codes-for-radeon-rx-6000-series-gpus-to-social-media-influencers-93459/
To be honest, the Vanguard program is easily the single best thing that AMD, or any GPU manufacturer for that matter, has ever come up with, and it's more than half the reason why I want an RDNA 4 graphics card. I've been a member since 2018 - and while some differences led me away from the red team for some time, it is my strong belief that the single reason why Radeon isn't literally dead by now is those folks. If you think it's bad as things stand, you have no idea my friend. No idea at all. I have only respect for the people who participate and the developers there that are upkeeping the program.

I miss participating and if I had any regret on giving up on the 7900 XTX - it's related to this, at the time I just wasn't prepared to take that risk. As long as the 8900 XTX or whatever RDNA 4 product they release performs to the same standard as the 7900 XTX or my RTX 4080, as long as it's priced right, I will become active and involved there again. Shame the ASUS ROG folks only release GeForce cards, but I'm sure Sapphire will release a nice Nitro+ card in white for me.
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#66
nguyen
Dr. DroTo be honest, the Vanguard program is easily the single best thing that AMD, or any GPU manufacturer for that matter, has ever come up with, and it's more than half the reason why I want an RDNA 4 graphics card. I've been a member since 2018 - and while some differences led me away from the red team for some time, it is my strong belief that the single reason why Radeon isn't literally dead by now is those folks. If you think it's bad as things stand, you have no idea my friend. No idea at all. I have only respect for the people who participate and the developers there that are upkeeping the program.

I miss participating and if I had any regret on giving up on the 7900 XTX - it's related to this, at the time I just wasn't prepared to take that risk. As long as the 8900 XTX or whatever RDNA 4 product they release performs to the same standard as the 7900 XTX or my RTX 4080, as long as it's priced right, I will become active and involved there again. Shame the ASUS ROG folks only release GeForce cards, but I'm sure Sapphire will release a nice Nitro+ card in white for me.
Well if you like beta testing for mega corporation for free, instead of actually playing game, who am I to judge

Though why aren't you doing that for Intel ARC :confused: , we need a third player in GPU market
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#67
Dr. Dro
nguyenWell if you like beta testing for mega corporation for free, instead of actually playing game, who am I to judge

Though why aren't you doing that for Intel ARC :confused: , we need a third player in GPU market
I don't see it that way. It's a voluntary thing and it is not like we don't get something in return. As enthusiasts, having direct access to the driver developers is invaluable, and members often receive early access to new features ahead of time. I've had the opportunity to play around with development builds, press drivers, etc. - it was a lot of fun.

It's a good thing you brought up ARC. The person who created the Vanguard program left to work at Intel, and I hear they have done something similar over there. Battlemage looks juicy. If Intel prices it right, might have to pick one up sometime. However, 4070 Ti target performance is a bit underwhelming for me. I need more.
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#68
AusWolf
nguyenWell if you like beta testing for mega corporation for free, instead of actually playing game, who am I to judge

Though why aren't you doing that for Intel ARC :confused: , we need a third player in GPU market
Isn't buying the newest, shiniest stuff technically beta testing these days anyway? Within a partner program, at least you get to provide feedback.
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#69
Darmok N Jalad
nguyenMore like social media influencers, which is 10x worse than any focus group
You say influence, I say effluence.
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#70
nguyen
Dr. DroI don't see it that way. It's a voluntary thing and it is not like we don't get something in return. As enthusiasts, having direct access to the driver developers is invaluable, and members often receive early access to new features ahead of time. I've had the opportunity to play around with development builds, press drivers, etc. - it was a lot of fun.

It's a good thing you brought up ARC. The person who created the Vanguard program left to work at Intel, and I hear they have done something similar over there. Battlemage looks juicy. If Intel prices it right, might have to pick one up sometime. However, 4070 Ti target performance is a bit underwhelming for me. I need more.
Man I wish I had time to play with beta softwares, I still have hundreds of Steam backlogs and the upcoming Blackmyth Wukong to play :).

4090 is just barely fast enough for 4K120 these days, 5090 can't come out soon enough
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#71
AusWolf
nguyenMan I wish I had time to play with beta softwares, I still have hundreds of Steam backlogs and the upcoming Blackmyth Wukong to play :).

4090 is just barely fast enough for 4K120 these days, 5090 can't come out soon enough
You want a 5090 with day-1 drivers? Are you a beta tester or something? :D
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#72
Dr. Dro
nguyenMan I wish I had time to play with beta softwares, I still have hundreds of Steam backlogs and the upcoming Blackmyth Wukong to play :).

4090 is just barely fast enough for 4K120 these days, 5090 can't come out soon enough
Dang, those newer games are really heavy if they're bringing a 4090 down that much. To get my 4080 to choke a bit I had to try running Star Rail at 8K. Then I only get 85 fps or so. :D
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#73
nguyen
AusWolfYou want a 5090 with day-1 drivers? Are you a beta tester or something? :D
LOL, Nvidia day-1 drivers = AMD day-1000 drivers
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#74
AusWolf
nguyenLOL, Nvidia day-1 drivers = AMD day-1000 drivers
That's besides the point. You can't laugh at people willingly beta testing products and providing valuable feedback, when you're blindly doing the same but without giving feedback.
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#75
nguyen
AusWolfThat's besides the point. You can't laugh at people willingly beta testing products and providing valuable feedback, when you're blindly doing the same but without giving feedback.
There is nothing to feedback really, just look at RTX 4000 owners club, no one ever said anything there :roll:.

Weird to say that I beta testing something that works out of the box and had no problem whatsoever. Not to brag but the time I spent building new PC for friend and family (built like 5 of them within the last 6 months) to playing game is just 2 hours (including installing Win11)
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