the box made my day 10% faster.

ReadlightWhen you haw eaten eco friendly food?

You reminded me of the first Dredd movie "eat recycled food, it's good for the environment and okay for you."

MaMooYou reminded me of the first Dredd movie "eat recycled food, it's good for the environment and okay for you."

This comment made me laugh, but on second thought, it's more realistic than humorous, unfortunately.

Apparently it leaked coolant!

AusWolfOh my god, a box! What do I do now? :eek:


Seriously, though, why is this news? Who cares about a friggin' box?

It got all of us to click on it, didn't it? :D

LionheartAlso I wish Intel would increase the P core count to 10 or 12, hell make a only P core Chip & market it to gamers.

I think they are going to.

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/intel-planning-p-core-only-bartlett-lga1700-processor-for-2025.324571/

LionheartI honestly hope these turn out really well, competition is always welcomed, and Intel could use some positive publicity.

Can TPU members enlighten me, Do Intel CPU's require Window's 11 due to their hybrid core design for proper scheduling or do they work fine on Windows 10 as well?

Also I wish Intel would increase the P core count to 10 or 12, hell make a only P core Chip & market it to gamers.

Scheduling on Big.little has been wonky for a while specially w music production software.. bitwig just got stable..ish w it and ableton and fl studio crash a lot still.. most suggest go w either pre-gen or amd or disable e cores.

It's still a mess in the music making world

64KI think they are going to.

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/intel-planning-p-core-only-bartlett-lga1700-processor-for-2025.324571/

God I hope so, if ArrowLake performs well even against AMD's 3D cache CPU's & bring out just a P core design, I'd love to go with a new Intel build, the AMD Zen ride was great/fun but I love switching hardware builds up.

Oh no, how will the reviewers do the unboxing now? You know, the special date when we get to see THE BOX, reviewers talk about the box, the design of the box, the labels on the box, we get the ASMR sounds of opening of the box, and that's about it, the contents look like all the CPUs in the last decades...

Dr. DroIt got all of us to click on it, didn't it? :D

I only clicked on it for the comments, but point taken. :D

Usually at this time point we had more performance leaks. Maybe Intel is still trying out different power settings.

oxrufiioxoI am kinda interested on what these processors have to accomplish to be a success. I get the sense that some are ok with 5-10% gains after 2 years which I find unacceptable. It'll be interesting.

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That being said I think 10-15% better while using 60-70% of the power of Raptorlake would be a win although I hope its better than that.

That latter part is what is going to happen according to many leaks from benchmark databases (Geekbench, CPU-Z and so on). Arrow Lake 285K will be between 10% to 15% faster in multicore and only a low single digit percentage (3% to 5%) faster in single core compared to Raptor Lake (14900K).
The latter is kind of expected due to the lower clocks (5.7GHz ARL vs. 6.0GHz RPL). The small lead in single core can be 100% attributed to the new architecture and the better node.

These are definitely fairly disappointing numbers considering the fact that we are not just jumping but catapulting from a 10nm node ("Intel 7") to a 3nm node (TSMC N3B).

However, the Arrow Lakes are in fact supposed to consume MUCH less power. The voltage is supposed to be hard-capped at 1.2V and the temps are supposed to be comparatively low like 75°C under full load compared to 90°C - 100°C with Raptor Lake.

I believe the benchmark leaks are all real at this point so we have a very good idea of how ARL is going to perform. What remains interesting is finding out about the efficiency. I guess we will have to wait for actual reviews to find out about that stuff.
If the relatively moderate performance increase is offset by much better efficiency and lower temps then that would be -literally- cool.

I, for one, will definitely replace my degraded 13900K with an Arrow Lake system in November-ish. I was 100% ready to go with AMD but they screwed it up real hard, especially with the X870(E) lane sharing shenanigans. I really don't want to build a system with that platform. So, Arrow Lake it is, even though Intel doesn't deserve it after the Raptor Lake massacre.

I think a lot will depend on how reviewers will choose their benchmarks and what will they include, exclude and what will they focus on. With these releases that bring new architectural changes there are always surprises - positive and negative ones.

It's concerning that reviewers often focus just on positive ones, and dismiss or downplay negative - when confronted, they often cite that they didn't have final drivers, Windows should be updated for the new tech etc - I mean, some software still has issues with Intel Big.little CPUs, but some dismiss it completely as you can always "hand circumvent" those by playing with assigning program to certain cores, disabling E cores etc, and that it's not just Intel's fault... But it has ben years now!

RogueSixI, for one, will definitely replace my degraded 13900K with an Arrow Lake system in November-ish. I was 100% ready to go with AMD but they screwed it up real hard, especially with the X870(E) lane sharing shenanigans. I really don't want to build a system with that platform. So, Arrow Lake it is, even though Intel doesn't deserve it after the Raptor Lake massacre.

I wouldn't commit yourself to intel either until you see what shenanigans they get up to as well I'm currently waiting but in no hurry my bigger worry is what's after cougar (might be wrong name but one after arrow) since beast is cancelled and if Intel go down the all efficiency core road as rumoured well that's probably the end of them in the enthusiast segment or maybe it will be fantastic who knows. It all makes me nervous about Intel.

CPU box leaks? Man. Intel really can't get their sh*t together. First they got 2 gens of CPU's failing because of too high voltage and now their CPU boxes are leaking.

Broken ProcessorI wouldn't commit yourself to intel either until you see what shenanigans they get up to as well I'm currently waiting but in no hurry my bigger worry is what's after cougar (might be wrong name but one after arrow) since beast is cancelled and if Intel go down the all efficiency core road as rumoured well that's probably the end of them in the enthusiast segment or maybe it will be fantastic who knows. It all makes me nervous about Intel.

You are mixing core names (Cougar Cove) and architecture names (Beast Lake) here. Cougar P cores should be mobile only (Panther Lake next year).

The desktop roadmap is most likely: Arrow Lake Refresh 2025 and then Nova Lake next (2026). We'll have to wait and see what the P and E cores will be called, respectively.

RogueSixYou are mixing core names (Cougar Cove) and architecture names (Beast Lake) here. Cougar P cores should be mobile only (Panther Lake next year).

The desktop roadmap is most likely: Arrow Lake Refresh 2025 and then Nova Lake next (2026). We'll have to wait and see what the P and E cores will be called, respectively.

It makes me wonder if it's really necessary to release something every year. I can't think of a "refresh" generation that wasn't totally meh.

LazyGamerCPU box leaks? Man. Intel really can't get their sh*t together. First they got 2 gens of CPU's failing because of too high voltage and now their CPU boxes are leaking.

They don't need to be waterproof to contain a CPU and some documentation, so of course they're leaking. I only don't know why this is such big news. :D

AusWolfIt makes me wonder if it's really necessary to release something every year. I can't think of a "refresh" generation that wasn't totally meh.

It's "necessary" for the OEMs. Acer, Dell, HP, Lenovo want to sell new laptops/computers with "new" CPU generations every year. The PC business has been struggling for many years because of the rise of mobile. I guess it makes sense for the big PC OEMs to strive for the same annual cadence as the mobile companies (Apple first and foremost).

AusWolfI only don't know why this is such big news. :D

Slow CPU News Day. :p

RogueSixIt's "necessary" for the OEMs. Acer, Dell, HP, Lenovo want to sell new laptops/computers with "new" CPU generations every year. The PC business has been struggling for many years because of the rise of mobile. I guess it makes sense for the big PC OEMs to strive for the same annual cadence as the mobile companies (Apple first and foremost).

Those new laptops and mobiles are just as boring and unnecessary as "refresh" CPUs.

AusWolfThose new laptops and mobiles are just as boring and unnecessary as "refresh" CPUs.

But they've got what plants crave. They've got electrolytes AI!

If one end is open, is it still a box?

I'd argue that it's a half slotted container due to the fact that it doesn't have flaps on one side. I believe calling this a box is misleading and I for one won't stand for it!

After seeing a few early leaks of these, AMD should be worried.

neatfeatguyIf one end is open, is it still a box?

Yes

RogueSixIt's "necessary" for the OEMs. Acer, Dell, HP, Lenovo want to sell new laptops/computers with "new" CPU generations every year. The PC business has been struggling for many years because of the rise of mobile. I guess it makes sense for the big PC OEMs to strive for the same annual cadence as the mobile companies (Apple first and foremost).

Is it though? those same OEMs will happily release laptops with older hardware. The latitude 3310 from dell used an 8th gen CPU when 11th and 12th gen hardware was available.

With the degradation of performance improvements IDK if its really necessary anymore.