Sound_CardThey can slap their logo on just about anything and your stereotypical diabetic with Cheetos fingers and greasy balding hair is going to buy it.

Sound_CardFound the 4090 owner with orange fingers.

StimpsonJCatSo all nVidia owners are Trump supporters now? I'm not even American you small-minded f.

Vya DomusSeems like really bad news, they're going to do the same thing with Vega where they made the architecture too granular with a lot of compute and not enough ROPs because there's really no other way you could unify these two different sets of requirements into one architecture.

I don't understand why they're doing this, according to them Instinct cards will generate some 5 billion in revenue this year alone so they can clearly make a lot of money from the compute side so why ruin it ? It made sense with Vega because they really didn't have the funds but now it could be a disaster.


Delusional to think an RX 7900 XTX should be priced at 500$, I really don't understand these obnoxious Nivdia fanboys takes, why should AMD charge peanuts while Nvidia inflates their prices with each generation, do you people have a masochistic fetish or something ? Why do you want to pay more ?

chrcolukDunno who this is aimed at, but I am a long time Nvidia user so will bite.

I am not happy with Nvidia prices, and do make it clear in many posts, also not happy with how Nvidia are under spec'd VRAM in so many cards.

The reason I havent gone out and brought a cheaper AMD card is they dont have feature parity. With GPUs its about software as well. SGSSAA is a deal breaker for me. DLSS is the best modern upscaler, and as it turns out I now like RTX video. On top of this apparently AMD's encoder is even worse than NVENC.

Also the reason I have said AMD need to drop prices is they are the ones chasing market share, thats typically what you need to do to get market share. Of course one effect of AMD doing that is it can also affect Nvidia pricing.

I am no fan boy though, I never understood the mindset of falling in love with a corporate, I dont particularly like Nvidia, too much proprietary stuff in addition to the stuff mentioned above. But ultimately if I dislike a company it doesnt stop me buying their products, my decisions are not based on emotions, life is too short for that, I buy whats suited for my needs at the moment.

I agreed with AMDs initial stance of providing better VRAM instead of silly novelty RT, but sadly Nvidia has managed to infect the AAA market with it, so it looks like AMD are having to change tact on that with future hardware.

TechBuyingHavocBut history has shown that simply lowering prices is not good for the company, it doesn't gain much if any market share and all

chrcolukAlso the reason I have said AMD need to drop prices is they are the ones chasing market share

TechBuyingHavocI used to think like you and I hope AMD does do this so that my next GPU would be cheaper. But history has shown that simply lowering prices is not good for the company, it doesn't gain much if any market share and all that happens is that profits evaporate, hurting future product development. Gamers constantly put a value on the Nvidia brand, even during years when both products are roughly equal, so until AMD catches up with software and marketing, a lower price won't mean enough sales to justify the loss in profit.

wheresmycarWhats more alarming is the extortionate pricing paired with widespread "mindshare compliance" where market dominance reduces the perception of value, creating a sense of inevitability around Nvidia products. As consumers we shouldn't be concerned with "lowering prices is not good for the company" when the general perception is GPUs are way overpriced for the mainstream consumer. I keep hearing people banging on about "product development" as if NVIDIA is operating on razor-thin margins and has no choice but to raise prices to fund innovation. The reality is, among PC components, GPUs stand out as the most profitable segment for manufacturers and those profits have soared to record levels in recent years. This clear gap between cost and value shows how far GPU pricing has strayed from being fair or necessary.

No matter how its spun - preferences, brand loyalties, or personal justifications, the bottom line remains the same, the pricing is outright ridiculous. From a consumer perspective, this issue should be at the forefront of every discussion about the industry’s future. No level of feature sets, dominance, marketing ploys, strategic affiliations/partnerships and mind/market-share should have consumers justifying corporate goals which is nothing short of unethical exploitation for profit.

OkieDanHow did you associate this with Trump?

StimpsonJCatI didn't read through his previous nonsense, I just responded to what he said to me.

Sound_CardIt doesn't matter if AMD (ATI) puts a better product out. The Nvidia mindshare is unreal, beyond Apple. They offer extreamely good products right now, like the RX 7800 and 7900gre or even the 7700, Nvidia is selling boats full of 4060's. They can slap their logo on just about anything and your stereotypical diabetic with Cheetos fingers and greasy balding hair is going to buy it.

ZazigalkaI do a lot of work on the pc too, using dual high refresh monitors, and I know for a fact after owning a 6800 that it's a mess on amd. When you have two monitors on, and god forbid you want to play a yt video in the background, 6800 just ramps up to +40w power. 4070S sitting at 9W now doing exactly that. When you do 10-20 hrs of such work every week, that adds up to your power bill, which will pretty much nullify any price advantage that amd has in a matter of a year or less.

Sound_CardWasn't the power consumption of video playback fixed months ago?

Sound_Cardlimiting the argument to ray tracing is disingenuous when we are arguing if the 7900GRE, 7800XT and 7700XT are fantastic buys all around. You graph shows % not frame number, so when you are showing 30% more peformance at 2k, you are probably showing me 40fps vs 30fps.

Sound_CardYou are a mind share zombie, you can't even admit they are great cards. I mean look at your sig, you are simping for them for free.

Sound_CardI think DLSS FSR comparison is flawed half the time. Nvidia spends zilch on optimizing their cards for FSR.

The FSR 3.1 upscaling implementation is extremely underwhelming in this game. At 4K resolution in its "Quality" mode, the small details in tree leaves, vegetation and of thin steel objects are noticeably degraded, the overall image looks very blurry, even when standing still, and this is clearly visible in our screenshots compared to other upscaling solutions, where even the TSR image looks a lot better, pretty unusual. The FSR 3.1 image is also suffering from disocclusion artifacts and ghosting, mainly around player weapons in motion, especially when interlacing with the grass. The shimmering in vegetation in motion is an issue as well, especially on the grass, and the visibility of these artifacts is more apparent at 1440p resolution. Speaking of 1080p resolution, the FSR 3.1 image is completely broken, producing simply a wrong image quality with extreme loss of all details, it looks like an oil painting.

The DLSS Super Resolution implementation is excellent at 4K resolution, producing a very crisp, detailed and stable image in motion, without shimmering in vegetation or ghosting issues. Compared to native TAA solution, it's a night and day difference across all resolutions in terms of overall image quality and stability. Things are a bit different at 1440p and 1080p resolutions as the DLSS image tends to have small breakups in motion, specifically on the edges of tree leaves, however, the shimmering in vegetation is not an issue in the DLSS image, even at 1080p resolution. With DLAA enabled, the overall image quality improvement is even higher, offering the best graphical experience overall when compared to the native TAA solution, FSR 3.1, DLSS or XeSS.

Sound_CardI don't see any major difference between DLSS and FSR 3.0.

Sound_CardI think techsites exaggerate the difference to absurdities. A control group vs placebo group may be an ego buster for Geforce owners.