Sunday, December 22nd 2024

AMD Radeon "RX 8800 XT" is Actually the RX 9070 XT?

It turns out that the Radeon RX 8800 XT, the top SKU in AMD's next generation gaming GPU series, is actually named the Radeon RX 9070 XT. European computer hardware retailer may have leaked the name, along with that of the Radeon RX 9070 (non-XT), ahead of its January 2025 reveal. The two cards appeared in the store's search filters, where it was screengrabbed by enthusiasts. The RX 9070 XT is what was supposed to be the RX 8800 XT; while the RX 9070 is the RX 8800. Extrapolating this, the series could include the RX 9060 series, the RX 9050 series, and the RX 9040 series, says All The Watts.

What prompted this change in nomenclature probably has to do with the company's decision to withdraw from the enthusiast segment of gaming GPUs. While the RX 9070 XT technically succeeds the RX 7800 XT, a performance-segment, 1440p-class SKU, the company wouldn't want its product stack to have a "void" left by the lack of an "RX 8900 series." The company also took the opportunity to skip the RX 8000 series altogether, which probably give it room to rebadge some SKUs from the RX 7000 series over to the RX 8000 series. The RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 are based on the "Navi 48" silicon, and implement the RDNA 4 graphics architecture.
Sources: momomo_us (Twitter), All The Watts (Twitter)
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112 Comments on AMD Radeon "RX 8800 XT" is Actually the RX 9070 XT?

#101
leonavis
At least in mobile CPUs AMD's naming is straight-forward and easy to understand

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#102
3valatzy
leonavisAt least in mobile CPUs AMD's naming is straight-forward and easy to understand
That is the old naming. The new one is Ryzen AI n HX ***
AusWolfI don't like the new name, either, but I think you're taking it too far. You're buying a product, not a name.
I don't know what to like in this -what-it-seems-to-be a turd. Another rebrand with poor performance. They could call it a Radeon RX 7900 GRE Super and have the same "success".
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#103
leonavis
3valatzyThat is the old naming. The new one is Ryzen AI n HX ***
Right. I just wonder why they didn't just call it "RAIzen" instead.
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#104
AusWolf
3valatzyI don't know what to like in this -what-it-seems-to-be a turd. Another rebrand with poor performance. They could call it a Radeon RX 7900 GRE Super and have the same "success".
It's not a rebrand. It supposedly comes with IPC and efficiency improvements, made on a new node, and with a redesigned RT core. Don't judge a product until you see the benchmarks.
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#105
Dawora
Cpus are 9000 series and gpus are 9000 series
I dont know about others, but looks good that way.
theoutoBecause this won't be confusing in a couple of gpu generations. I can see it already, RX 9070 or RTX 9070 (though this is so far in the future that I doubt it'll matter, so it's just a funny observation in my eyes).

At the same time, this will be bad for the next generation of GPUs, where they will either have to enjoy having a very long RX 100X0 or change the naming again, though if UDNA ends up being what they're doing then chances are they were going to do it regardless.
Nvidia wont use this naming for long anymore, it will change something totaly different.
RuruThat Core Ultra is the most stupid naming in the last decade. Usually the suffix "Ultra" is only for enthusiast-level products..
Ultra stupid buy
i see it that way
DavenIf true, model naming realignments typically mean a break from comparisons with previous generations. Conservatively, a next generation beats the current generation by up to 30%. Therefore, a hypothetical 8800XT would have succeeded the 7800XT and have up to 30% more performance putting it around the 7900XT. But now it looks like AMD wants us to compare the next generation to Nvidia model numbers instead. That would mean a hypothetical 9070XT would be equivalent to the upcoming 5070Ti. The 5070Ti should have at least 30% more performance than the 4070Ti putting it around the 7900XTX/4080/4080 Super.

Taking everything into consideration, the 9070XT could be sub-$500, sub-300W and have the same performance as a 7900XTX and 4080 series. AMD would then be competing with Nvidia's next generation all the way up to the 5070Ti. That's a little better than being just a 7800XT successor especially if AMD matches Nvidia's RT performance as well.
9070XT only 640Gb/s bandwith cant compete against 7900XTX 960.0 GB/s

Thats why naming is xx70XT (Not 8080/ or 9080)
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#106
3valatzy
AusWolfIt's not a rebrand. It supposedly comes with IPC and efficiency improvements, made on a new node, and with a redesigned RT core. Don't judge a product until you see the benchmarks.
IPC improvement is 1%, efficiency improvement is 2%. "New" node is actually the old 5nm node with a plus. Don't overhype it, because you are set for a disaster and disappointment.
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#107
AusWolf
3valatzyIPC improvement is 1%, efficiency improvement is 2%. "New" node is actually the old 5nm node with a plus. Don't overhype it, because you are set for a disaster and disappointment.
And you know all that way ahead of the official announcement from...?

Besides, if the price is right, I won't be disappointed. All I want is a decent midrange card for a decent price. Anything on top is just an extra.
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#108
Vayra86
inquisitor1LMAO! I love it!! you dont need to analyze the numbers. its perfect and speaks to all languages
I called up Huang and suggested it, because face it, with that naming people will also stop whining Huang transformed their x70 into an x50.

As thanks he's sending me a signed 5060 8GB, but the name on the box has a strikethrough and they put the 'Slow AF, but your CPU has no IGP' sticker on it instead.
DavenIf true, model naming realignments typically mean a break from comparisons with previous generations. Conservatively, a next generation beats the current generation by up to 30%. Therefore, a hypothetical 8800XT would have succeeded the 7800XT and have up to 30% more performance putting it around the 7900XT. But now it looks like AMD wants us to compare the next generation to Nvidia model numbers instead. That would mean a hypothetical 9070XT would be equivalent to the upcoming 5070Ti. The 5070Ti should have at least 30% more performance than the 4070Ti putting it around the 7900XTX/4080/4080 Super.

Taking everything into consideration, the 9070XT could be sub-$500, sub-300W and have the same performance as a 7900XTX and 4080 series. AMD would then be competing with Nvidia's next generation all the way up to the 5070Ti. That's a little better than being just a 7800XT successor especially if AMD matches Nvidia's RT performance as well.
Can I get some of what you are smoking there? Seems strong.

500,-
sub 300W
and perf of the 7900XTX

Basically you want a 7800XT price, 7900XT undervolted TDP, double RT performance, and RTX 4080 raster perf. Should I reiterate the 4080's MSRP was 1199,-?

Maybe they'll make one on Mars?
leonavisAt least in mobile CPUs AMD's naming is straight-forward and easy to understand

If not sarcasm... :D Yeah totally, because a 7840 could realistically be Ryzen 7 or 9 which in turn stands for.... euhhh what exactly? The 0 is even funnier. 'Feature isolation' but only *if needed. Like what the actual fuck is that supposed to mean? its there, but only if necessary... and what makes it necessary? Whether Lisa Su had a big poop this morning or not?
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#109
leonavis
Sarcasm? I don't know the meaning of the word.
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#110
HyeVltg3
As long as AMD's is few % faster than the Nvidea xx80 card, I'll have a reason to buy AMD. Right now my RTX 3080 is best for the games I play, budget and how long I want to keep the card.
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#111
Kyan
J3llyf1shAwwww. I was looking forward to another 8800 series graphics card
Me too, I'm really sad. I was wishing for a R7 8800X3D and a RX 8800 XT, while it make sense that the R7 was a dream, the RX 8800 XT was completely possible. (yes, I love the number 8)
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#112
AusWolf
KyanMe too, I'm really sad. I was wishing for a R7 8800X3D and a RX 8800 XT, while it make sense that the R7 was a dream, the RX 8800 XT was completely possible. (yes, I love the number 8)
I think even numbers are better than odd ones... Except for ones that end with 5. 5 is awesome. Yes, call me crazy. :D
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