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AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D and 9900X3D to Come with Clock Speeds Resembling non-X3D SKUs

The AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D launched this November remains the fastest processor for PC gaming, but with just an 8-core/16-thread configuration, its performance in multithreaded productivity pales in comparison to the alternatives, including from AMD's own camp, such as the Ryzen 9 7950X3D. The company is planning to expand the Zen 5 X3D line of desktop processors in Q1-2025, with the introduction of its high core-count Ryzen 9 series SKUs, the Ryzen 9 9950X3D, and the Ryzen 9 9900X3D. HXL, a reliable source with hardware leaks, says that the Ryzen 9 X3D SKUs will lack the kind of "frequency debuff" we've seen with the older generation Ryzen 9 X3D chips such as the 7950X3D and 7900X3D.

On the 7950X3D, only one of the two 8-core CCDs comes with 3D V-Cache, the other is a regular CCD with 32 MB on-die L3 cache. The CCD with the 3D V-Cache has its frequency "debuffed" compared to the other CCD, mainly to deal with the thermal limitations of the way the 3D V-Cache is stacked on top of the CCD. With the Ryzen 9000 X3D generation, AMD has redesigned this CCD + L3D stacking such that the CCD is now above, directly interfacing with the STIM and IHS; with no conductive structural silicon along the way. This means that the CCD now thermally behaves like a regular Zen 5 CCD; and for this reason, not only will the CCD with 3D V-Cache on the 9950X3D/9900X3D have the same clock speeds and boosting behavior as the one without 3D V-Cache; but also the 9950X3D and 9900X3D are expected to ship with similar, if not identical clock speeds to the 9950X and 9900X.
It is highly likely that AMD will retain the software-based OS scheduler management it's been using on the 9950X and 9900X, which ensures that gaming workloads are allocated to the CCD with 3D V-Cache. On multithreaded productivity workloads that can scale up to 32 threads, this scheduling could be more relaxed compared to the one on the 7950X3D, since both CCDs will boost up to similar frequencies. HXL also dropped a hint about possible performance of the 9950X3D in Cinebench R23, a benchmark that scales well across 16 cores, but doesn't quite benefit from 3D V-Cache (frequency matters). HXL says that the 9950X3D ends up with nearly identical 1T and nT scores to the 9950X. If you recall, the 7950X3D falls slightly behind the 7950X due to frequency debuffing on its CCD with 3D V-Cache.
Sources: HXL (Twitter), HXL (Twitter), VideoCardz
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36 Comments on AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D and 9900X3D to Come with Clock Speeds Resembling non-X3D SKUs

#26
kapone32
HankierosemanI think I'll be in that line too for 2025. Assuming my X670E board supports it and gets a BIOS for it like 9800X3D.
It's AMD the BIOS is probably already ready. The BIOS for 9000 was already released.
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#27
evernessince
mkppoBut I guess even if scheduling was 100%, fixed there will still be people claiming "if only AMD had cache on both CCD's it would be even faster!"
Clearly there is a benefit to multiple stacks because AMD does have multiple stacks in it's server products. Maybe singular consumer workloads won't see much of a benefit but this is a 16 core CPU, there's a decent chance the user may be running multiple heavy programs at once. A scenario that multiple stacks of cache is more likely to benefit.
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#28
izy
I would still prefer a single CCD 10 / 12 cores 3D rather than 12 / 16 cores dual CCD.
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#29
Hankieroseman
kapone32It's AMD the BIOS is probably already ready. The BIOS for 9000 was already released.
I'm up to 2506 but I see a new 2604. Too bad cause this board is RMA.
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#30
mama
In my view the only way a 9900X3D makes sense is if both CCDs sport 3D vcache.
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#31
AusWolf
So then the rumours about 9000X3D having 3D cache on both CCDs are false, I suppose.
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#32
dave2150
user556The big question is will both CCDs have the stacked V-cache? I think the answer is no, because AMD still haven't solved how to stop them thrashing.
There is no big question - it's already been confirmed in multiple leaks that only one CCD has 3D cache.
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#33
JoeTheDestroyer
Not sure who's going to buy this rumor when we already know it's not true for the 9800x3d vs 9700x.
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#34
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
So no word on a 9600X3D? That's the one I'm interested in...
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#35
Raiden85
I really hope they can do a 32 core 64 thread CPU on AM5 if they can do 16 cores per CCD while maintaining high clocks and still use X3D cache. Even if its on one CCD with that ammount of cores that would be great.

Intel are already behind, this would bury them for quite a while.
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#36
_roman_
For 32 core cpus you should look in the threadripper platform
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