KritComparing GTX 1080Ti to RTX 4090 is complete mismatch and dishonor. GTX 1080 Ti has way, way better price/performance ratio than RTX 4090 in straight comparision. And 8800 GTX / 8800 GT was, way better than even GTX 1080Ti / GTX 1070...... Performance gains were tremendous for almost the same price! Where's the RTX 4090 is complete piece of shit in this region.

4090 holds the record for the longest uncontested GPU in the entire gaming GPU history, but sure let just go with your made up metrics for why it's bad :roll:.

BTW I owned 8800GT and 1080 Ti too, no particular fondness of them because I just buy the next best GPU anyways

nguyen4090 holds the record for the longest uncontested GPU in the entire gaming GPU history, but sure let just go with your made up metrics for why it's bad :roll:.

BTW I owned 8800GT and 1080 Ti too, no particular fondness of them because I just buy the next best GPU anyways

That's because back in the day they used to release video cards every year, not every 3 years like now. :)

Prima.VeraThat's because back in the day they used to release video cards every year, not every 3 years like now. :)

Meaning back then enthusiasts will buy new GPU every year (I did anyways), so the prices stacked up :cool:

@Krit
Bruh, the context is kinda important here. Me and @nguyen were bantering about chips, SKUs and potential stack performance and deltas between both current and future gen cards. We both acknowledged high pricing for incoming cards in that discussion too. Not one of us brought up price/performance as a metric. You invented an argument to go against for no reason. Chill out.

Intel introduced the 192-bit 12GB B580, priced at $250, setting a solid foundation for the "lower" performance tier.

The minimum expectation for Nvidia and AMDs Next Gen "mid" perf tier GPUs is nothing short of 256-bit memory interface and 16GB of VRAM. Anything less, would once again, demonstrate a clear disregard for consumer expectations and the need to provide adequate headroom for advancing graphics performance.

Similar to how the standard 4070 was criticized as essentially a masked 4060 T/S, the 5070 appears to be little more than a disguised 5060 T/S.

Putting the 5070 and 5070 TI to the side for the mo, I was hoping to grab a possible 5070 TI SUPER somewhere in the $800 region to top my RTX 3080............ STOOOOPID WISHFUL THINKING!!

You shouldn't stick to spec numbers. 256 or 192bit doesn't say anything to anyone.
All it's about performance (per cost).

DaworaPpls only see one GPU, its like there is no other otions..

How about 5060Ti 16GB or 5070Ti 16GB?

5060Ti for 1440p? That would be their low end GPU, suitable mid-term for 1080p.

The 5070TI would be a good option. What are the chances it will be released at $500? None :( However, you make me realize that I bought my 2070 SUPER brand new $584.99 at Microcenter in 2019. If I adjust the price with inflation, it represents $724.26 today. So my request is not valid after all. Guess I'm going to have to fork out the money!

TumbleGeorge-30% too small number of cores to have better ratio.

U are totaly wrong..

5070Ti will be very close to 4090

I plan to purchase the 5070 Ti, as it seems like a very interesting card considering it uses the GB203 (yes, even though it's cut down compared to the 5080) and has 16GB of VRAM. DLSS4 and other features will be a nice bonus.

I estimate the price at $849, which would be a $50 increase compared to the 4070 Ti SUPER. During the launch of the 4xxx SUPER variants, Nvidia acted very reasonably, as it was their last launch in that series. Based on that, I believe Nvidia will follow a similar approach this time.

Additional reasons:

• It still uses a 256-bit bus
• The 4N(P) node is more advanced than 5nm, but it offers a good price per wafer and excellent yield
• Inflation has stabilized
• GDDR7 isn’t significantly more expensive than GDDR6X

DaworaU are totaly wrong..

5070Ti will be very close to 4090

Nah, the leather jacket man is not that kind, it will most likely land between a 4080S and 4090. I am disappointed that it doesn't have 24GB of VRAM though, 16GB being entry for high resolution gaming, that could have been done with 3GB modules, easily.

At this point, the VRAM issue, is far more than just a nuisance, it's deliberate sabotage out the gate, making sure the GPU's don't last for more than one generation.

The 5070Ti will be +10-15% faster than a 4080. The 16GB is fine for the card.
My issue is the 5080 is heavily butchered. Even more than the 4080.
It's a joke that the 5090 gets 32GB and the second best half of it.
Most likely the greens will release a 5080Ti with 24GB but it appears the x80s are not a high end performance segment anymore (the 3080 is excluded).

Legacy-ZANah, the leather jacket man is not that kind, it will most likely land between a 4080S and 4090. I am disappointed that it doesn't have 24GB of VRAM though, 16GB being entry for high resolution gaming, that could have been done with 3GB modules, easily.

At this point, the VRAM issue, is far more than just a nuisance, it's deliberate sabotage out the gate, making sure the GPU's don't last for more than one generation.

it will be closer to 4090 than 4080S
it can be very close to 4090

IPC gains
more cores
higher core clocks
Huge increase in bandwidth vs 4070Ti

That bandwidth alone is a nice bump, then you have all the other architectural changes. 50 series is gonna be a beast.

Legacy-ZANah, the leather jacket man is not that kind, it will most likely land between a 4080S and 4090. I am disappointed that it doesn't have 24GB of VRAM though, 16GB being entry for high resolution gaming, that could have been done with 3GB modules, easily.

At this point, the VRAM issue, is far more than just a nuisance, it's deliberate sabotage out the gate, making sure the GPU's don't last for more than one generation.

gffermariThe 5070Ti will be +10-15% faster than a 4080. The 16GB is fine for the card.
My issue is the 5080 is heavily butchered. Even more than the 4080.
It's a joke that the 5090 gets 32GB and the second best half of it.
Most likely the greens will release a 5080Ti with 24GB but it appears the x80s are not a high end performance segment anymore (the 3080 is excluded).

One possibility that I can imagine happening down the line is 2 products coming up:
- 5080 Super, exact same die as the 5080 (GB103), but using faster 24Gb GDDR7 modules when those become a thing, for a 24GB GPU.
- 5080Ti, a die cut of the GB102 used in the 5090, with a bus size of 320~448-bit (so between 20 and 28GB of VRAM using 16Gb modules).

This would allow for Nvidia to do a refresh and fill in the existing gap in their lineup (both in performance and price).

Daworait will be closer to 4090 than 4080S
it can be very close to 4090

IPC gains
more cores
higher core clocks
Huge increase in bandwidth vs 4070Ti

I believe you don't realize the enormity of the gap between the 4070 Ti and the 4090. In games like CyberPunk, the 4090 is 64% faster than the 4070 Ti in raytraced scenes at 1440p. It's also 60% faster at 4K in rasterized games. It's extremely unlikely that the 4070 Ti will be close to the 4090.

RedelZaVednoI'm still sticking to my 20yo buying formula, so AMD and NGeedia can do whatever they please.
I buy new GPU when it's 50% faster in rasterization than what I have and costs the same adjusted for inflation.
I got 4070TIS for 700 bucks so the only upgrade path is something in a range of today's 4090 for 720 bucks max.
I don't see anything on horizon that would offer it this gen. So I'll just wait another 2 to 3 years, maybe even 5. No biggie.
If these companies don't want our money anymore and are all in on AI so be it. More than enough good old games I haven't played yet. I can wait.

You’ll be waiting until the end of time. Rasterization is in the past, nobody is investing in it. You’ll never see that 50% at same cost.

4070(FE) 2023 – 5888 cores – 2475MHz Boost – 1313MHz 12GB GDDR6X 192 bits

4070S(FE) 2024 – 7168 cores – 2475MHz Boost – 1313MHz 12GB GDDR6X (Rel. Perf +12-14%)

5070(FE) 2025 – 6144 cores - ? - ? 12GB GDDR7 192 bits

All they need to do is get that small performance increase (BTW also correlates with the relative performance increase from 3070 to 4070) which benchmarks will show in a couple months, and then 75% of this forum including the same proportion of all the whiners here will have justified themselves in making the jump into one of the 5070(Ti) OR justified themselves into the 5090 or considered the 5080 ain’t too bad a proposition to avoid the price of the 5090 and have a bit more power that the 5070Ti. Just wait and see.

Don’t tell me they can’t because they will even with the lower core count. It’s scripture. If it ain’t that then everybody will keep on buying the current gen. So they will since it’s what keeps the mill rolling. Who is expecting 50% more performance? Deluded people are, but it never needed to be so good to go off the shelves faster than they can put them out. Just wait and see.

Price? Well everything is increasing, so somehow people will find a way to justify even a price increase if there’s one and it’s about “legit” or otherwise explained by the market (like AI did with the swelling of higher end Ada bunch). Oh you’re going to tell me that I AM deluded... just wait and see.

Six months after release we’ll get the same whining about the upcoming Super or 60xx series leaked specs, whichever it will be. It will grow into its own beast, its own self-conditioning. Just wait and see.

The real problem (from the enthusiast consumer standpoint) or strategy (from nVidia standpoint) is twofolds: people have been conditioning themselves into buying the next gen since the last gen came out. Whining is still conditioning – anyone participating have been living in anticipation of it coming out and now it’s part of their lives. The fact that forums like here also feed on all the rumors and leaks doesn’t help, only reinforce the anticipation. Which brings us to the second problem: as soon as the benchmarks will be out the flock of people buying them will flaunt them in their systems specs and post about their FPS in games and whatever, and all of those who were so far cautiously willing to avoid buying into it will feel like they’re being left behind/inferior and will doubly try to find justification for buying into it. It will possibly even encourage many of them to go for the more expensive cards, since at least they can adopt the “hey you know I bought the only one that makes sense and to hell with the price”/”I’m smarter than that” stance. It will all be about “I have a 4K and/or 240Hz+ screen so I NEED it to play the latest way too expensive game with some RT/PT and or living up to the framerate” etc.

And really who’s to blame for the fact that games are so demanding? Blaming nVidia for keeping a pace back below what it would ideally take for a xx70 to perform well there? Game developers/studios making them so, but also contracting into being part of nVidia ecosystem? Well perhaps, but the real problem is “the consumers” with their high end screens and never ending quest for framerates (and pretending they can see the difference, within which is the pretense than any lower framerate is “unplayable”) and wanting next games to be a visual step above the last. The buying end DEFINES the market into which manufacturers and developers can always FIND A WAY TO DIG DEEPEER INTO EVERYONE’S POCKET.

Nvidia does what it needs to do with the cards they put out: the 5070 will be quite alright for playing 1440P all around, the 5070Ti more futureproof or somewhat able to follow up into 4K 120Hz for a couple years. The 5080 is a bit ridiculous but it will STILL be the cheapest option to really get into 4K 120Hz. The 5090 will be the monster with the really ridiculous pricepoint for all of those who can pay. And there are many, many, many, MANY of those.

Only one of three things can reverse the trend: nVidia fucking up something really big and totally losing the market; AMD coming back in greatest shape and cutting the prices for similar performance all around; the consumer end to STOP CARING. What if nobody cares for the leaks? What if nobody wants TPU to post about them/doesn’t read the posts? What if everybody totally ignores what nVidia will come up with next, so much so that it’ll be complete web silence about the next series, NOBODY talking about it, nobody propagating the “buzz”.

So which is more likely to happen? Certainly not the fourth one: nVidia will suddenly release proper stuff at proper prices, listening to the market’s feedback. Because it is EXACTLY what they’re already doing – it just won’t ever be what the market’s delusions of next greatness into the mid end would want nVidia to reflect in the lineup. They’ll reflect it in the high end segment. The 5070Ti is psychologically what nVidia wants you to integrate as the idea of a xx70 – the additional bucks included.

Where nVidia stands RIGHT NOW, it looks like NONE of these scenarios is likely, and you get what you get. End of discussion.

Ye looks like another HI FI generation,
Not worth for another 5 years, if ever.
greedvidia play long game.
When gaafet cpus and gpus hit the market in 2 years, we may see some shake up.


For now, 4070 TI super⇾5070 TI with exclusive dl$$prime

speculation"
With exclusive dl$$prime which will account for 5% of visuals, but every outlet will always make a statement how much better (over 40%) it is from the previous or competition. And it saves 5W and how much smarter of an "investment" it is long term, Yikes,
Jacket man is a wizard of a seller, so is Bernard Arnault.
What arguments will they find this time.

Luxury brands target high-net-worth individuals (WHALES) and aspirational consumers who are willing to pay a premium to own exclusive, high-quality products.

I guess next generation they introduce even more granulation of HI FI realm
Leaving cheap tier for used market if any.

I am no RT enthusiast, PT enjoyer, Audiophile, Upscale Fashionist or even pc gamer at all any more. But again they already got my money this upgrade circle so, well played.
Will turn out for the better.

so, 5070 Ti is only good variant for relatively "high end" stuff.

5070... TI .... is what nVidia is wanting you to integrate as the modern mid end stuff. Just look at the stats since the 30xx series... or prices since the 40xx series.

I've already said it and will iterate it again... stop talking and reacting about the leaks... stop buying when they come out. See what happens within one year. But of course THAT will never happen. Nor Nvidia getting down to real consumer perspective/price willl happen again... Nor is it so clear they'll fuck up something BIG TIME and lose a REAL market share...

So are we shit talking SO AMD WILL come back stronger? It IS the most likely option... still not about to really happen right now. In a couple years we'll see but I suspect Nvidia will STILL be shoving xx70 TI specs and prices down our throat as the new logical mid end.

AnotherReaderI believe you don't realize the enormity of the gap between the 4070 Ti and the 4090. In games like CyberPunk, the 4090 is 64% faster than the 4070 Ti in raytraced scenes at 1440p. It's also 60% faster at 4K in rasterized games. It's extremely unlikely that the 4070 Ti will be close to the 4090.

I didint say in RT,
So why u cherry pic RT benchmarks?



5070Ti will be easyly faster than 4080
And it will go very close to 4090

DaworaI didint say in RT,
So why u cherry pic RT benchmarks?



5070Ti will be easyly faster than 4080
And it will go very close to 4090

I didn't cherry pick anything; it's also 60% faster in rasterized games at 4K and 41% faster at 1440p. I don't believe that the 5070 Ti will be fast enough to catch the 4090, but we won't have to wait long to find out how fast it actually is.

AnotherReaderI didn't cherry pick anything; it's also 60% faster in rasterized games at 4K and 41% faster at 1440p. I don't believe that it will be fast enough to catch the 4090, but we won't have to wait long to find out how fast it actually is.

I agree. Had AMD stayed in the race, the 5070 Ti might have been positioned much closer to the 4090. As things stand, I doubt that will happen. At best, it may slightly surpass the 4080/4080 SUPER, with a possible 5070 Ti SUPER release later offering a modest 10% performance uplift. With AMD effectively out of the race, Nvidia has little incentive to drive performance aggressively. This lack of competition is also reflected in the significant hardware gap in CUDA cores between the 5090 and 5080. Its the biggest gap i've seen since purchasing my first dGPU in 2012/13/14

But i'm an optimistic fella, so hoping Nvidia can prove us wrong. I just want to see a 4090'ish performance-level 50-series card, with 16GB VRAM for ~£800. That'll keep me going on 1440p for a while. Give us that (or better) and i'll pull the trigger.

oddrobertYe looks like another HI FI generation,
Not worth for another 5 years, if ever.
greedvidia play long game.
When gaafet cpus and gpus hit the market in 2 years, we may see some shake up.


For now, 4070 TI super⇾5070 TI with exclusive dl$$prime

speculation"
With exclusive dl$$prime which will account for 5% of visuals, but every outlet will always make a statement how much better (over 40%) it is from the previous or competition. And it saves 5W and how much smarter of an "investment" it is long term, Yikes,
Jacket man is a wizard of a seller, so is Bernard Arnault.
What arguments will they find this time.

Luxury brands target high-net-worth individuals (WHALES) and aspirational consumers who are willing to pay a premium to own exclusive, high-quality products.

I guess next generation they introduce even more granulation of HI FI realm
Leaving cheap tier for used market if any.

I am no RT enthusiast, PT enjoyer, Audiophile, Upscale Fashionist or even pc gamer at all any more. But again they already got my money this upgrade circle so, well played.
Will turn out for the better.

They want you to connect the dots and pay more. Nudging you to pay more. But hear me out it's not sustainable long time.
Tipping point being 4070 ti super or 5070 to now. Which very convinently is just a twice a mount of what people are willing to spend.

GPUs age like milk.

AMD will fill the whole. With better product, if you are just willing to w8 a bit.
Always ddr6 not ddr7, not cutting edge node and all that but their GPUs will hold waliu incrideble wheel.

Can you make a market of hi fi kefir?

What you think they stop improving transistors in 10 years?

There will be progress.

In 10 years trillion transistors will be entry lvl chip. 300tflops. 4k 120hz.

I guess they have multi demensial metrics of whole market, and provide what ever maxamalize their profit. It's a busines. Buying them you suport science the same way you buy Kefir. And not like they want to be precived as.

Will it be option for people willing to sacrifice their whole financial wellbeing to live in simulation? Ther will be a product for them too. Greedvidia whith exponential prices will serve them, np.

Will there be relatively cheap option to have some fine with games, for kids?

freeagentMy oldest kid is still using my old 3070Ti, for 1080p its not a bad card. It gets way more hate then it deserves imo.

Edit:

I am about to drag my 980 Classified out of retirement to use on my youngest's soon to be built first rig..

Should be ok for Roblox :D

It always surprises me when people describe solid cards like a 3070 as 1080p cards. Do you and your kids only play raytraced games or play at 1080p240? :D

I have a 3070, and it can run Forza Horizon 4 at 4k120 high settings. I know FH4 isn't a new cutting edge game, but it is still a modern game, a huge open world, with realistic visuals and a PBR workflow etc.

And at the time the 4070 was released at least, TechPowerUp's own benchmark chart had the 3070/3070ti averaging around 4k60 for all the games tested. Very good for a 1080p card, performing 4x better than expected :D