As Intel shows with the B580 - if a company (AMD) releases a card with a good price/performance ratio - it will sell, if not, everyone will go to Nvidia because Jensen needs a new leather jacket
:rolleyes:

ThomasKFanboy much, eh?
I'd shut my trap if I was you.

:kookoo: For AMD it is extremely difficult, maybe even impossible to accept the real situation on the ground, as this analysis clearly shows ?
I don't know what you take - some pills, maybe something that has a terrible smell ?

Sound_CardThe Green psychosis in this thread is wild lol.

wolfI found that people I'd consider green leaning give the bottom line on the 5070 = 4090 questions rather well across multiple threads/discussions.
There is, if we're to use your choice of terminology, plenty of "red psychosis" too around here, so perhaps there's some other specifics you'd like to comment on rather than throw divisive name calling shade? It's a discussion, respond to points with your own points.

It isn't about "green" vs. another "green" (or "red" which it is not). It's about market shares and real shipments count.

3valatzyIt isn't about "green" vs. another "green" (or "red" which it is not). It's about market shares and real shipments count.

I was responding to someone else's specific comment that did imply that... but lets say it is about market shares and shipment counts, do you have something to discuss on that topic? I don't really understand your comment.

Sound_CardPartly yes, do you have any idea how easily people bought the 5070 is as fast as the 4090? I'm not talking about the upper 1% that browse these forums. But your casuals that get their tech info from social media, zoomers.

Your average consumer is mildly retarded, yes.

The casuals don't know who Jensen huang is, they don't know what CES is and there is no way in hell they watched the thing

AusWolf550 is still not bad for a 4080 class GPU, imo. 600 would be stretching it. Sure, AMD is perceived as "the budget friendly" option, but they can't offer discounts to no end.



Placeholder price.

729e here

ThomasKFanboy much, eh?

I'd shut my trap if I was you.

More marketshare for Nvidia is upcoming..
it can be we never see HighEnd Amd

DaworaMore marketshare for Nvidia is upcoming..

Are you sure?
Let's see.

AusWolfWhat are you talking about?

Where have you been? RX 5000 series will not run Final Fantasy VII Rebirth. I’ve mentioned this in the past, you need to pay better attention.

store.steampowered.com/app/2909400/FINAL_FANTASY_VII_REBIRTH/

Visible NoiseWhere have you been? RX 5000 series will not run Final Fantasy VII Rebirth. I’ve mentioned this in the past, you need to pay better attention.

store.steampowered.com/app/2909400/FINAL_FANTASY_VII_REBIRTH/

Indiana Jones too. Older cheaper nvidia cards will run it. Fascinating huh?

JustBenchinggamestream (which is guttered now tbf - nvidia removed it from their new APP!!)

Nvidia dropped official support for gamestream (IIRC), but Moonlight is still alive and well. Thanks to Sunshine, you can even use it with an AMD GPU on the host, which doesn't even have to run Windows. I use this software daily. It's by far the best option for in-home streaming, certainly for games, but it also works for remote desktop. Every time this topic comes up, in fact, I'm reminded of how brutally inferior Steam's variant of in-home streaming is.

The gamestream thing is illustrative of the whole story here. History shows that Nvidia tends to innovate with some (semi-)proprietary feature, which is then improved upon and/or opened up by other players, notably AMD (e.g. Freesync), and then finally the entire user base benefits. We were potentially on track for a similar story with FSR, but AMD just didn't have the juice. It's still possible, I suppose, that major game studios and GPU manufacturers will come to some sort of agreement to standardize upscalers, once enough time has passed with a sufficient number of GPU generations featuring the requisite hardware--or if not the upscalers themselves then the workflow to implement them. My understanding is that DLSS and XeSS aren't all that dissimilar from a game developer's perspective, even now.

Both companies (or I guess all three companies, these days) play a crucial role in the GPU market, which is why I hate seeing AMD make so many unforced errors.

WastelandNvidia dropped official support for gamestream (IIRC), but Moonlight is still alive and well. Thanks to Sunshine, you can even use it with an AMD GPU on the host, which doesn't even have to run Windows. I use this software daily. It's by far the best option for in-home streaming, certainly for games, but it also works for remote desktop. Every time this topic comes up, in fact, I'm reminded of how brutally inferior Steam's variant of in-home streaming is.

The gamestream thing is illustrative of the whole story here. History shows that Nvidia tends to innovate with some (semi-)proprietary feature, which is then improved upon and/or opened up by other players, notably AMD (e.g. Freesync), and then finally the entire user base benefits. We were potentially on track for a similar story with FSR, but AMD just didn't have the juice. It's still possible, I suppose, that major game studios and GPU manufacturers will come to some sort of agreement to standardize upscalers, once enough time has passed with a sufficient number of GPU generations featuring the requisite hardware--or if not the upscalers themselves then the workflow to implement them. My understanding is that DLSS and XeSS aren't all that dissimilar from a game developer's perspective, even now.

Both companies (or I guess all three companies, these days) play a crucial role in the GPU market, which is why I hate seeing AMD make so many unforced errors.

Yeah I know about sunshine but it doesn't play nice with my switch + moonlight for whatever reason.

Nvidia has dropped support indeed but you could still use it, it's when the new app becomes mandatory that it will go kaput since they removed the option altogether.

Since this now an red vs green thread, are there any red or green high end cards that use the 8-pin PCIe power connector and are 2 slots or slimmer? I'd settle for a water cooled card if it can be made 1 slot wide.

JustBenchingYeah I know about sunshine but it doesn't play nice with my switch + moonlight for whatever reason.

Nvidia has dropped support indeed but you could still use it, it's when the new app becomes mandatory that it will go kaput since they removed the option altogether.

Yeah, I should have been clearer that Sunshine isn't just for AMD. It's for Nvidia too, once their app drops the option. (Or if you're not running Windows on the host.)

If Sunshine isn't working for you, and if your host is on Windows, Parsec is quite good.

3valatzy:kookoo: For AMD it is extremely difficult, maybe even impossible to accept the real situation on the ground, as this analysis clearly shows ?
I don't know what you take - some pills, maybe something that has a terrible smell ?

Another senseless comment from you.

Be sure nobody gives credit to anything you say here. That's corroborated by the fact you joined yesterday.

Lastly, maybe you are the one farting from behind your keyboard, that justifies the "terrible smell".

Bye.