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Report Suggests "Extreme" Stock Limits for GeForce RTX 5090 & 5080 GPUs in Germany

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A moderator on the PC Games Hardware (PCGH.de) discussion board had disclosed worrying details regarding stock limitations—presumably affecting the upcoming GeForce RTX 50 series launch in Germany. In turn, this disclosure was picked up by PCGH's new department. The predicted circumstances will—reportedly—make matters most difficult for customers looking to acquire higher-end "Blackwell" GPUs. The forum moderator gathered damning evidence from his network of contacts: "I was able to learn from well-informed dealer circles, the available contingent of graphics cards will be extremely limited! This applies in particular to the GeForce RTX 5090. Accordingly, NVIDIA determines where and who exactly will offer graphics cards at market launch. B2B dealers and the entire local wholesale trade, which primarily also works with business customers, will most likely come away empty-handed."

A bit of humor was sprinkled in with this informative post—the moderator joked about customers resorting to "cheerful" repetitive pressings of their F5 keys. They posit that the online buying experience for flagship Blackwell GPUs will be tiring and frustrating: "...so anyone who wants to get a GeForce RTX 5090 or GeForce RTX 5080 at market launch will have to queue digitally at the end customer dealers together with waiting (private) customers. Scalpers and bots will probably also get involved here. The quantities that can be purchased are likely to be limited to a maximum of one unit." Several stores are listed as being prime sources of stock (see below)—they reckon that the likes of Amazon will be not be receiving initial batches. "Second, third, or even fourth" waves of stock are anticipated, with some retailers set to act as resellers—inevitably opening the door to predicted price gouging. It is not clear whether these alleged restrictions will come into effect in markets beyond German borders—additionally, the VideoCardz insider network has not discovered any behind-the-scenes information regarding Team Green's launch period supply strategy.

Here is Pokerclock's recommended list of German retailer outlets:
  • Mindfactory
  • Alternate (B2C, which excludes wave)
  • Caseking (B2C—orders only via the online shop as a reseller)
  • Cyberport/Computeruniverse
  • NBB
  • Pro Shop
Sources: PC Games Hardware DE Forum, PC Games Hardware DE Article, VideoCardz

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94 Comments on Report Suggests "Extreme" Stock Limits for GeForce RTX 5090 & 5080 GPUs in Germany

#77
kondamin
ZoneDymoand you cant get anything? how is that in any way a realistic scenario....come on man the heck
in the sense that you want a 5090 and can't get a 5090, you could opt for something entirely different like a 4090
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#78
spiral718
If the stock reports are as fake as the AI generated frames per second the 50 series produces, no need to worry.
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#79
mb194dc
Probably because there's loads of 4 series GPUs in stock still. At least that's the case in the UK.

Who'll buy them once 5 series is out ?
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#80
Chrispy_
gffermariLinus may be stupid and not be able to understand that we have hit the silicon limit on the hardware side and the raster improvements on the software side.
LOL, the 5090 has 33% more CUDA cores and seems to offer ~37 more raw raster performance, so the 4090 was not even close to the silicon limit.

Nvidia have chosen to dedicate huge amounts of their silicon area towards datacenter focused tensor cores and raytracing. Tensor cores alone take up more room than the INT cores that Nvidia's raster performance depends on. If they'd made a GTX 4090 instead of an RTX 4090 that couldn't do raytracing and used FSR instead of DLSS because there were no tensor cores, it'd probably have 32000+ cores instead of the 16384 they shipped it with.

So much of the transistor budget in a 4090 isn't really intended for gaming. DLSS is just a way Nvidia have found to sell their LLM/AI datacenter silicon to the (largely gullible) gaming audience. Does AMD have tensor cores? Does Intel have tensor cores? Do GTX 16-series cards have tensor cores? Yet they can all still do upscaling, and as far as I can tell, AMD's 7000-series framegen actually looks and feels better than Nvidia's 40-series framegen, despite no tensor cores.
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#81
gffermari
Chrispy_LOL, the 5090 has 33% more CUDA cores and seems to offer ~37 more raw raster performance, so the 4090 was not even close to the silicon limit.

Nvidia have chosen to dedicate huge amounts of their silicon area towards datacenter focused tensor cores and raytracing. Tensor cores alone take up more room than the INT cores that Nvidia's raster performance depends on. If they'd made a GTX 4090 instead of an RTX 4090 that couldn't do raytracing and used FSR instead of DLSS because there were no tensor cores, it'd probably have 32000+ cores instead of the 16384 they shipped it with.

So much of the transistor budget in a 4090 isn't really intended for gaming. DLSS is just a way Nvidia have found to sell their LLM/AI datacenter silicon to the (largely gullible) gaming audience. Does AMD have tensor cores? Does Intel have tensor cores? Do GTX 16-series cards have tensor cores? Yet they can all still do upscaling, and as far as I can tell, AMD's 7000-series framegen actually looks and feels better than Nvidia's 40-series framegen, despite no tensor cores.
We have hit silicon limit at 5nm. 3nm was not available because Apple bought them all.
So nVidia had to introduce the software gimmicks to compensate. A GTX 4090 would be a glorified 7900XTX. No thanks.
The tensor cores etc. are necessary if you want to run RT/PT today at decent fps and not in 10 years natively.

In general, if TSMC does not find a solution after the 2nm, nVidia will be giving us only DLSS updates.
Unless a groundbreaking multi ccd is invented that performs in gaming.

AMD fails because of DLSS. Not because of their gpus are slow.
FSR 4 will be running in AMDs equivalent tensor cores and most likely will be competitive to DLSS.
If that happens, 9070XT will be a success regardless the native performance.
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#82
Bomby569
what was said above, they want to move the 4000 gpus first, there is still stock everywhere.
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#83
robal
Just ignore this news (and RTX 5090), and move on with your life.
You don't need those for anything.
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#84
lexluthermiester
Why_MeIf the Germans are getting hosed this mean we're all getting hosed =/
Not if special situation exists to explain this problem.

This begs the question:
Why just Germany?
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#85
Waldorf
@gffermari
lol, if that was the case, i would have seen zero improvement switching from 8C to 16C (5800 vs 5950, same hw for everything else)
but fact is it did, to the point that i can even play most older games (outside online/shooters) with power saving profile, as my ram thru output is almost double because of 2 ccds.
and i dont play anything newer than 2019, so yeah, obsolete joke to say they dont perf better.

@Beermotor
Nv is already "dominating" since rtx2xxx series, or they wouldnt be able to get away with cards costing 4 digits.
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#86
dyonoctis
Chrispy_LOL, the 5090 has 33% more CUDA cores and seems to offer ~37 more raw raster performance, so the 4090 was not even close to the silicon limit.

Nvidia have chosen to dedicate huge amounts of their silicon area towards datacenter focused tensor cores and raytracing. Tensor cores alone take up more room than the INT cores that Nvidia's raster performance depends on. If they'd made a GTX 4090 instead of an RTX 4090 that couldn't do raytracing and used FSR instead of DLSS because there were no tensor cores, it'd probably have 32000+ cores instead of the 16384 they shipped it with.

So much of the transistor budget in a 4090 isn't really intended for gaming. DLSS is just a way Nvidia have found to sell their LLM/AI datacenter silicon to the (largely gullible) gaming audience. Does AMD have tensor cores? Does Intel have tensor cores? Do GTX 16-series cards have tensor cores? Yet they can all still do upscaling, and as far as I can tell, AMD's 7000-series framegen actually looks and feels better than Nvidia's 40-series framegen, despite no tensor cores.
Actually, since RDNA 3 AMD got AI cores and Intel always had them with XMX. And AMD is also going to sell to gamers their Datacenter silicon with UDNA. RDNA 4 is the last "gaming only" focused arch.
AMD's FSR 4 will use machine learning but requires an RDNA 4 GPU, promises 'a dramatic improvement in terms of performance and quality' | PC Gamer
AMD RDNA is coming to an end with UDNA taking the torch | Club386
AMD is once more combining its GPU development efforts into a single design, mixing consumer and data centre needs. The new architecture should combine CDNA and RDNA, opening the way back for high-end consumer cards.


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#87
Xaled
This is just illegal. Announcing something's price and selling it at a different price is just illegal. Nvidia has been doing this for years, nobody, no goverment etc. has taken any action against them yet, so weird and suspecious.
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#88
Visible Noise
XaledThis is just illegal. Announcing something's price and selling it at a different price is just illegal. Nvidia has been doing this for years, nobody, no goverment etc. has taken any action against them yet, so weird and suspecious.
When has Nvidia ever sold something over MSRP?

Answer: Never.

What would really be illegal is Nvidia telling board manufacturers what they can charge.

But why do you care? It‘s obvious you would never buy an Nvidia card. You just want them to force AMD’s prices lower.
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#89
LittleBro
Meanwhile in middle EU, some e-shops have already listed RTX 5070 Ti, RTX 5080 and RTX 5090 with prices:

ASUS ROG Astral LC RTX 5090 no price yet
ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5090 = 3080€ (2505€ without VAT)
ASUS TUF Gaming RTX 5090 = 2880€ (2342€ without VAT
ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5080 = 1650€ (1342€ without VAT)
ASUS TUF Gaming RTX 5080 = 1550€ (1260€ without VAT)
ASUS PRIME RTX 5080 = 1400€ (1138€ without VAT)
MSI and Gigabyte also listed but no prices yet.

These look like Founders Edition cards:
PNY RTX 5090 = 66k CZK (around 2650€, 2190€ without VAT)
PNY RTX 5070 = 19k CZK (around 760€, 628€ without VAT)
PNY RTX 5070 Ti = 26k CZK (around 1040€, 860€ without VAT)

Mainstream RTX 5070 Ti for more than 1k € ...
Expect AIB RTX 5060 cards to cost no less than 500 € incl. VAT.
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#90
chrcoluk
XaledThis is just illegal. Announcing something's price and selling it at a different price is just illegal. Nvidia has been doing this for years, nobody, no goverment etc. has taken any action against them yet, so weird and suspecious.
Happens all the time here, supply and demand, only way manufacturers can enforce pricing is print price on the label (which usually needs a deal with retailer that they pay less to keep their margins) or sell direct to consumers.
In Nvidia's case they do it via Founder Edition cards which are only sold at authorised retailers who of course honour the price. Got my 3080 FE at MSRP whilst AIB's were gouging like crazy and selling direct to miners. 4080 FE Super also MSRP.
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#91
lexluthermiester
XaledThis is just illegal. Announcing something's price and selling it at a different price is just illegal. Nvidia has been doing this for years, nobody, no goverment etc. has taken any action against them yet, so weird and suspecious.
Visible NoiseWhen has Nvidia ever sold something over MSRP?

Answer: Never.

What would really be illegal is Nvidia telling board manufacturers what they can charge.

But why do you care? It‘s obvious you would never buy an Nvidia card. You just want them to force AMD’s prices lower.
The both of you need to stop with the nonsense drivel. You're embarrassing yourselves.
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#92
Chrispy_
dyonoctisActually, since RDNA 3 AMD got AI cores and Intel always had them with XMX.
But FSR3 works on RDNA and RDNA2, Intel GPUs without XMX and Nvidia cards like the 1660S without Tensor cores, so it clearly doesn't need them for upscaling. Maybe they help unburden the shader cores in some way, but do they help as much as doubling the shader count would help?

XeSS works on literally any GPU or IGP as long as it supports Shader Model 6.4 which goes back several generations for all GPU brands.
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#93
Xaled
Visible NoiseWhen has Nvidia ever sold something over MSRP?

Answer: Never.

What would really be illegal is Nvidia telling board manufacturers what they can charge.

But why do you care? It‘s obvious you would never buy an Nvidia card. You just want them to force AMD’s prices lower.
Why do you lie? Since the mining craze in 2020 Nvidia has never sold anything at the announced MSRP. They've always being lying and giving fake msrps. Not to mention the Founder edition that almost never existed.
Your second lie is that i won't buy an Nvidia card, Both of my PC and laptop have Nvidia GPUs. And I'll buy whoever i want and I'll still bash them if they do anything wrong
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#94
dyonoctis
Chrispy_But FSR3 works on RDNA and RDNA2, Intel GPUs without XMX and Nvidia cards like the 1660S without Tensor cores, so it clearly doesn't need them for upscaling. Maybe they help unburden the shader cores in some way, but do they help as much as doubling the shader count would help?

XeSS works on literally any GPU or IGP as long as it supports Shader Model 6.4 which goes back several generations for all GPU brands.
AMD themselves said that FSR 3 was limited in term of improvement in Image quality, hence why they went the nvidia road with FSR 4. And it's been knonw that Xess work best on Intel GPU when it's accelerated. Better IQ, and higher performance gains.
With the way that everyone is moving, and the money that they've been making since we entered the upscaled/AI era, I doubt that we'll get back to the era of the pure gaming GPU. AMD explained that this strategy got in the way of the democratization of ROCm and HIP. And there's seems to be other stuff happening in the research world that call for specialized hardware. CG researchers who don't work at nvida/AMD/intel have been looking at ways that AI/machine learning could be used to augment raster/ray traced graphics in real time.

Now the discussion about weither or not things would have been better if nvidia just went balls to the wall and filled the RTX 4090 with cuda is too speculative for me, the 4090 already use a LOT of power as it is, even in native gaming, and I can't imagine that doubling the CUDA core count would have given us free performance without any impact on power and heat.
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